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Wallstreetatheist
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4/30/2014 12:18:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
While watching several World War II and Holocaust films I kept thinking to myself: "Why don't the Jews/others just use their guns against the occupying Nazi force?" Well, I found my answer.

Gun control.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com...
http://www.amazon.com...
http://www.nationalreview.com...
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Citrakayah
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4/30/2014 12:43:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/30/2014 12:18:17 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
While watching several World War II and Holocaust films I kept thinking to myself: "Why don't the Jews/others just use their guns against the occupying Nazi force?" Well, I found my answer.

Gun control.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com...
http://www.amazon.com...
http://www.nationalreview.com...

*yawn*

I do believe we've been through this before, haven't we?
monty1
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4/30/2014 11:30:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Not even close to the reason why they didn't join the cause and fight. And not even worth the effort to pursue the ridiculous ideas of the US's gungoons any further.

Even though I can't help but be supportive of the cause of the gungoons. Arm all the teachers in the schools and even the students over the age of 14. When they're all armed while sitting in the classrooms there won't be a bad guy in the country that would have the nerve to start shooting the place up.

And the reason no bad guy will is because there will be so much lead flying from the 'good' guys guns that there will be no need to help out the cause.
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4/30/2014 9:10:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/30/2014 12:43:16 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/30/2014 12:18:17 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
While watching several World War II and Holocaust films I kept thinking to myself: "Why don't the Jews/others just use their guns against the occupying Nazi force?" Well, I found my answer.

Gun control.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com...
http://www.amazon.com...
http://www.nationalreview.com...

*yawn*

I do believe we've been through this before, haven't we?

No, this book is only three months old.
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Wallstreetatheist
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4/30/2014 9:23:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/30/2014 11:30:57 AM, monty1 wrote:
Not even close to the reason why they didn't join the cause and fight. And not even worth the effort to pursue the ridiculous ideas of the US's gungoons any further.

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the Warsaw Uprising didn't start until they had enough guns and molotovs to fight back.

Even though I can't help but be supportive of the cause of the gungoons. Arm all the teachers in the schools and even the students over the age of 14. When they're all armed while sitting in the classrooms there won't be a bad guy in the country that would have the nerve to start shooting the place up.

Literally has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Please bring your proselytizing elsewhere.
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monty1
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4/30/2014 10:30:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/30/2014 9:23:22 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 4/30/2014 11:30:57 AM, monty1 wrote:
Not even close to the reason why they didn't join the cause and fight. And not even worth the effort to pursue the ridiculous ideas of the US's gungoons any further.

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the Warsaw Uprising didn't start until they had enough guns and molotovs to fight back.

Even though I can't help but be supportive of the cause of the gungoons. Arm all the teachers in the schools and even the students over the age of 14. When they're all armed while sitting in the classrooms there won't be a bad guy in the country that would have the nerve to start shooting the place up.

Literally has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Please bring your proselytizing elsewhere.

It has everything to do with the topic. It's all about supporting gungoonery in the land of the gun and likely parallels are drawn with Nazism. And hey, what gungoon American wouldn't support arming all the school children over the age of 14? Or would that be 12?

What decent person in any other country would oppose them doing just that? Give an American child a gun, save an Iraqi or an Iranian or an Afghani or a Vienamese or a Serb or a ............, twenty years later. ....................well you get the picture.
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5/1/2014 2:12:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 4/30/2014 9:10:03 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 4/30/2014 12:43:16 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 4/30/2014 12:18:17 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
While watching several World War II and Holocaust films I kept thinking to myself: "Why don't the Jews/others just use their guns against the occupying Nazi force?" Well, I found my answer.

Gun control.
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com...
http://www.amazon.com...
http://www.nationalreview.com...

*yawn*

I do believe we've been through this before, haven't we?

No, this book is only three months old.

I mean the general thread of argument. I do believe I pointed out that the Nazis armed the populace as a whole, except for a few specific subgroups who were also denied access to highly rebellious equipment like bicycles. I also do believe I pointed out that starting an armed revolution would quite probably have made things even worse.
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5/1/2014 2:29:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 2:12:41 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
I mean the general thread of argument. I do believe I pointed out that the Nazis armed the populace as a whole, except for a few specific subgroups who were also denied access to highly rebellious equipment like bicycles. I also do believe I pointed out that starting an armed revolution would quite probably have made things even worse.

How would millions of Jews fighting against the Nazis lead to a worse outcome than going from normal life to being occupied by Nazi troops to living in Ghettos to being sent to death camps? I know you tend toward the side of authoritarianism, but I think even you can see the utility of a gun when used against ethnic cleansing (I hope).
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5/1/2014 2:33:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 2:29:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:12:41 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
I mean the general thread of argument. I do believe I pointed out that the Nazis armed the populace as a whole, except for a few specific subgroups who were also denied access to highly rebellious equipment like bicycles. I also do believe I pointed out that starting an armed revolution would quite probably have made things even worse.

How would millions of Jews fighting against the Nazis lead to a worse outcome than going from normal life to being occupied by Nazi troops to living in Ghettos to being sent to death camps? I know you tend toward the side of authoritarianism, but I think even you can see the utility of a gun when used against ethnic cleansing (I hope).

He just likes to be a contrarian. It is no coincidence that every Israeli man and woman of conscription age knows how to fire a gun and has received military training.
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5/1/2014 11:30:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Whether the Jews had guns or not, they didn't line up to go to war. Call the reason cowardice or more likely just wanting others to die for their cause so they wouldn't have to.

Or any other ingenious reason the kids here can come up with?

Oh, I know! They had to turn the other cheek for god!
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5/1/2014 1:02:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 2:29:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:12:41 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
I mean the general thread of argument. I do believe I pointed out that the Nazis armed the populace as a whole, except for a few specific subgroups who were also denied access to highly rebellious equipment like bicycles. I also do believe I pointed out that starting an armed revolution would quite probably have made things even worse.

How would millions of Jews fighting against the Nazis lead to a worse outcome than going from normal life to being occupied by Nazi troops to living in Ghettos to being sent to death camps? I know you tend toward the side of authoritarianism, but I think even you can see the utility of a gun when used against ethnic cleansing (I hope).

Nazi propaganda played up the idea of Jews secretly working against Germany. The idea was that Jews were evil and trying to work against the German people/German government. If there was an armed rebellion prior to being confined to the ghettos or concentration camps it would have made it even easier for the Nazis to paint the Jews as evil. Kristallnacht was bad enough.

Of course, once one was in the ghettos or concentration camps, it sometimes helped and sometimes didn't. But by that point in time, you've had pretty much everything confiscated.

At 5/1/2014 2:33:26 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:29:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:12:41 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
I mean the general thread of argument. I do believe I pointed out that the Nazis armed the populace as a whole, except for a few specific subgroups who were also denied access to highly rebellious equipment like bicycles. I also do believe I pointed out that starting an armed revolution would quite probably have made things even worse.

How would millions of Jews fighting against the Nazis lead to a worse outcome than going from normal life to being occupied by Nazi troops to living in Ghettos to being sent to death camps? I know you tend toward the side of authoritarianism, but I think even you can see the utility of a gun when used against ethnic cleansing (I hope).

He just likes to be a contrarian. It is no coincidence that every Israeli man and woman of conscription age knows how to fire a gun and has received military training.

Oh, you're accusing me of liking to be a contrarian? Yeah, if every single Jewish person in Germany had military training with high-tech weaponry and such it would have made a difference. But that's a far cry from a bunch of civilians revolting in response to discrimination in legislation (keep in mind, we didn't know what was coming--anti-Semetic laws weren't exactly unheard of). We'd have been massacred., especially because gun ownership wasn't exactly widespread enough to pose a serious military threat The numerical disparity was too great.
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5/1/2014 1:27:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/1/2014 1:02:56 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:29:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:12:41 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
I mean the general thread of argument. I do believe I pointed out that the Nazis armed the populace as a whole, except for a few specific subgroups who were also denied access to highly rebellious equipment like bicycles. I also do believe I pointed out that starting an armed revolution would quite probably have made things even worse.

How would millions of Jews fighting against the Nazis lead to a worse outcome than going from normal life to being occupied by Nazi troops to living in Ghettos to being sent to death camps? I know you tend toward the side of authoritarianism, but I think even you can see the utility of a gun when used against ethnic cleansing (I hope).

Nazi propaganda played up the idea of Jews secretly working against Germany. The idea was that Jews were evil and trying to work against the German people/German government. If there was an armed rebellion prior to being confined to the ghettos or concentration camps it would have made it even easier for the Nazis to paint the Jews as evil. Kristallnacht was bad enough.

Of course, once one was in the ghettos or concentration camps, it sometimes helped and sometimes didn't. But by that point in time, you've had pretty much everything confiscated.

At 5/1/2014 2:33:26 AM, YYW wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:29:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/1/2014 2:12:41 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
I mean the general thread of argument. I do believe I pointed out that the Nazis armed the populace as a whole, except for a few specific subgroups who were also denied access to highly rebellious equipment like bicycles. I also do believe I pointed out that starting an armed revolution would quite probably have made things even worse.

How would millions of Jews fighting against the Nazis lead to a worse outcome than going from normal life to being occupied by Nazi troops to living in Ghettos to being sent to death camps? I know you tend toward the side of authoritarianism, but I think even you can see the utility of a gun when used against ethnic cleansing (I hope).

He just likes to be a contrarian. It is no coincidence that every Israeli man and woman of conscription age knows how to fire a gun and has received military training.

Oh, you're accusing me of liking to be a contrarian? Yeah, if every single Jewish person in Germany had military training with high-tech weaponry and such it would have made a difference. But that's a far cry from a bunch of civilians revolting in response to discrimination in legislation (keep in mind, we didn't know what was coming--anti-Semetic laws weren't exactly unheard of). We'd have been massacred., especially because gun ownership wasn't exactly widespread enough to pose a serious military threat The numerical disparity was too great.

There's little doubt that the Jews became the 1% or 2% but before the anti-Semitic accusations start to fly, hear it out. There's also little doubt that the Nazis didn't handle their problem correctly.

Which draws a stark parallel to modern day America! The problem needs to be dealt with but it needs to be dealt with in a proper and responsible way.

In both cases, the system was/is fixed for the 1% and income inequality is leading to a very bad consequence. Both the Jews and the top 1% in America were smart and industrious enough to put themselves at the top. But consider the systems in which they were given an unfair leg up.

When in fact, they were both entitled to their wealth but the sysems in question let it get too far out of hand.

And no, in the case of the Jews, not becaue they were Jews but because they just happened to be the most industrious thinkers.

The lesson: In both cases the systems were/are unfairly fixed to benefit the very wealthy out of proportion to what could/will survive. No wonder the Nazis were able to so completely steal the minds of the German people and make them do their bidding.