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5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.
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5/13/2014 3:20:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

What's wrong with gay weddings?
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5/13/2014 5:22:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 3:20:20 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

What's wrong with gay weddings?

With no insult intended, I'm guessing you believe that the Biblical verses on homosexuality aren't to be taken literally.
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5/13/2014 6:54:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Your post confuses me greatly.

You say you aren't talking about all LGBT, but then you attack the movement as a whole and criticize with broad strokes.

So, which is it? If you are honest about your conviction that these few idiots are NOT indicative of the entire movement, then why attack the movement?

If you think they are indicative of the whole movement, then I'd like to devalue Christianity because of the actions of Christian slaveowners, child molesters in the catholic church, the westborough baptist church, religious wars throughout history, st bartholomews day massacre, etc.

The fact that I show respect for religion as a whole despite all of the s*** it's done in this world means you can respect the LGBT movement despite the actions of a few.
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5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 6:54:54 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Your post confuses me greatly.

You say you aren't talking about all LGBT, but then you attack the movement as a whole and criticize with broad strokes.

So, which is it? If you are honest about your conviction that these few idiots are NOT indicative of the entire movement, then why attack the movement?

If you think they are indicative of the whole movement, then I'd like to devalue Christianity because of the actions of Christian slaveowners, child molesters in the catholic church, the westborough baptist church, religious wars throughout history, st bartholomews day massacre, etc.

The fact that I show respect for religion as a whole despite all of the s*** it's done in this world means you can respect the LGBT movement despite the actions of a few.

1. As stated above, I needed to rant.
2. The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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5/13/2014 7:20:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Lol, your entire post is irrelevant. First off the photographers choose to take that job at the gay wedding. Secondly, your article even says:

"Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church."

So basically, they would get a liberal priest or a priest willing to conduct the ceremony. This doesn't even matter lol.
Dude... Stop...
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5/13/2014 7:27:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 7:20:55 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Lol, your entire post is irrelevant. First off the photographers choose to take that job at the gay wedding. Secondly, your article even says:

"Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church."

So basically, they would get a liberal priest or a priest willing to conduct the ceremony. This doesn't even matter lol.

I suppose that's true, but churches still have to carry out the ceremony. And remember...the LGBT movement takes one step at a time.
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5/13/2014 7:29:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 6:54:54 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Your post confuses me greatly.

You say you aren't talking about all LGBT, but then you attack the movement as a whole and criticize with broad strokes.

So, which is it? If you are honest about your conviction that these few idiots are NOT indicative of the entire movement, then why attack the movement?

If you think they are indicative of the whole movement, then I'd like to devalue Christianity because of the actions of Christian slaveowners, child molesters in the catholic church, the westborough baptist church, religious wars throughout history, st bartholomews day massacre, etc.

The fact that I show respect for religion as a whole despite all of the s*** it's done in this world means you can respect the LGBT movement despite the actions of a few.

1. As stated above, I needed to rant.
2. The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.

Child molestation, denial of science, and the westborough baptist church and other groups of religious bigots like that are all modern.
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5/13/2014 7:31:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 7:29:39 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 6:54:54 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Your post confuses me greatly.

You say you aren't talking about all LGBT, but then you attack the movement as a whole and criticize with broad strokes.

So, which is it? If you are honest about your conviction that these few idiots are NOT indicative of the entire movement, then why attack the movement?

If you think they are indicative of the whole movement, then I'd like to devalue Christianity because of the actions of Christian slaveowners, child molesters in the catholic church, the westborough baptist church, religious wars throughout history, st bartholomews day massacre, etc.

The fact that I show respect for religion as a whole despite all of the s*** it's done in this world means you can respect the LGBT movement despite the actions of a few.

1. As stated above, I needed to rant.
2. The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.

Child molestation, denial of science, and the westborough baptist church and other groups of religious bigots like that are all modern.

1. Child Molestation is by no means sanctioned by any Church (that I know of)
2. As this is clearly a reference to Creationism, it's an alternate scientific theory which is defended by intelligent people (such as Ken Ham)
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5/13/2014 7:49:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 7:27:21 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:20:55 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Lol, your entire post is irrelevant. First off the photographers choose to take that job at the gay wedding. Secondly, your article even says:

"Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church."

So basically, they would get a liberal priest or a priest willing to conduct the ceremony. This doesn't even matter lol.

I suppose that's true, but churches still have to carry out the ceremony. And remember...the LGBT movement takes one step at a time.

Doesn't matter. It isn't as if the entire church community has to come, it's just that specific building and a willing priest. LGBT is just trying to get *equal* rights.
Dude... Stop...
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5/13/2014 7:52:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 7:31:22 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:29:39 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 6:54:54 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Your post confuses me greatly.

You say you aren't talking about all LGBT, but then you attack the movement as a whole and criticize with broad strokes.

So, which is it? If you are honest about your conviction that these few idiots are NOT indicative of the entire movement, then why attack the movement?

If you think they are indicative of the whole movement, then I'd like to devalue Christianity because of the actions of Christian slaveowners, child molesters in the catholic church, the westborough baptist church, religious wars throughout history, st bartholomews day massacre, etc.

The fact that I show respect for religion as a whole despite all of the s*** it's done in this world means you can respect the LGBT movement despite the actions of a few.

1. As stated above, I needed to rant.
2. The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.

Child molestation, denial of science, and the westborough baptist church and other groups of religious bigots like that are all modern.

1. Child Molestation is by no means sanctioned by any Church (that I know of)

Catholic
2. As this is clearly a reference to Creationism, it's an alternate scientific theory which is defended by intelligent people (such as Ken Ham)

Lol.
Dude... Stop...
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5/13/2014 8:13:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 7:31:22 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:29:39 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 6:54:54 PM, Hematite12 wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Your post confuses me greatly.

You say you aren't talking about all LGBT, but then you attack the movement as a whole and criticize with broad strokes.

So, which is it? If you are honest about your conviction that these few idiots are NOT indicative of the entire movement, then why attack the movement?

If you think they are indicative of the whole movement, then I'd like to devalue Christianity because of the actions of Christian slaveowners, child molesters in the catholic church, the westborough baptist church, religious wars throughout history, st bartholomews day massacre, etc.

The fact that I show respect for religion as a whole despite all of the s*** it's done in this world means you can respect the LGBT movement despite the actions of a few.

1. As stated above, I needed to rant.
2. The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.

Child molestation, denial of science, and the westborough baptist church and other groups of religious bigots like that are all modern.

1. Child Molestation is by no means sanctioned by any Church (that I know of)

Catholic priests.

2. As this is clearly a reference to Creationism, it's an alternate scientific theory which is defended by intelligent people (such as Ken Ham)

Actually, it's a reference to many things. Have you heard of the Flat Earth Society?

As for calling it an "alternate scientific theory"... Lol
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5/14/2014 7:08:11 AM
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Journalist David Crary wrote for The Associated Press 7 May 2014:
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Two Alabama women filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday seeking to force the state to recognize their out-of-state marriage so they can both be legal parents to their 8-year-old son. The suit contends that Alabama's ban on same-sex marriage - and refusal to recognize such marriages from other states - violates the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution. ...Alabama is one of 30 states that have passed amendments to their constitutions limiting marriage to male-female unions. Alabama's amendment further stipulates that the state will not recognize any same-sex marriage from any other jurisdiction.
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http://hosted.ap.org...

Alabama should, then, countersue, declaring that their equal protections would be violated by recognizing any "same-sex marriage".
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5/14/2014 9:03:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 5:22:23 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 3:20:20 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

What's wrong with gay weddings?

With no insult intended, I'm guessing you believe that the Biblical verses on homosexuality aren't to be taken literally.

I believe they are mistranslated. And that most Christians consider gays to be immoral demons and beasts instead of human beings like us.
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5/14/2014 11:54:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/13/2014 7:49:03 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:27:21 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:20:55 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Lol, your entire post is irrelevant. First off the photographers choose to take that job at the gay wedding. Secondly, your article even says:

"Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church."

So basically, they would get a liberal priest or a priest willing to conduct the ceremony. This doesn't even matter lol.

I suppose that's true, but churches still have to carry out the ceremony. And remember...the LGBT movement takes one step at a time.

Doesn't matter. It isn't as if the entire church community has to come, it's just that specific building and a willing priest. LGBT is just trying to get *equal* rights.

So basically SOMEBODY in that church has to violate his or her religious beliefs or go to jail. My, how tolerant we are.
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5/14/2014 11:56:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/14/2014 9:03:02 AM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 5/13/2014 5:22:23 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 3:20:20 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

What's wrong with gay weddings?

With no insult intended, I'm guessing you believe that the Biblical verses on homosexuality aren't to be taken literally.

I believe they are mistranslated. And that most Christians consider gays to be immoral demons and beasts instead of human beings like us.

I didn't say that. Yes, they are human beings like us, and all of us humans are sinners. That's why I (well, actually, somebody I know) came up with a solution to the whole gay thing that should satisfy everyone. But instead, they're forcing Conservatives to perform their marriages.
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5/14/2014 12:29:50 PM
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At this point, I don't think the gay rights movement does not support. What they want is absolute conformity to their views with no room for rational dissent.
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5/14/2014 12:49:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/14/2014 11:54:15 AM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:49:03 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:27:21 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 7:20:55 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

Lol, your entire post is irrelevant. First off the photographers choose to take that job at the gay wedding. Secondly, your article even says:

"Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church."

So basically, they would get a liberal priest or a priest willing to conduct the ceremony. This doesn't even matter lol.

I suppose that's true, but churches still have to carry out the ceremony. And remember...the LGBT movement takes one step at a time.

Doesn't matter. It isn't as if the entire church community has to come, it's just that specific building and a willing priest. LGBT is just trying to get *equal* rights.

So basically SOMEBODY in that church has to violate his or her religious beliefs or go to jail. My, how tolerant we are.

No. The priests can refuse to do the ceremony, so another priest from another church would have to come in the worst case scenario. I even quoted the article above saying showing how your argument that they're force to carry out isn't true.

Don't make things up.
Dude... Stop...
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5/14/2014 12:53:21 PM
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Good news, DDO! I have created an account of Createdebate.com, so I'll be taking a lot of my trolling there. If you wanna find my there, look up "AwsumLiberul" and there I'll be. Don't worry; I'll still be a member of this Site. I'm simply moving my trolling operations there, so that I can act intelligent here.
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5/14/2014 1:42:53 PM
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At 5/14/2014 12:53:21 PM, Crescendo wrote:
Good news, DDO! I have created an account of Createdebate.com, so I'll be taking a lot of my trolling there. If you wanna find my there, look up "AwsumLiberul" and there I'll be. Don't worry; I'll still be a member of this Site. I'm simply moving my trolling operations there, so that I can act intelligent here.

Never mind. After a few minutes on that Site I've concluded it's absolutely awful.
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5/14/2014 1:57:37 PM
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At 5/14/2014 12:29:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At this point, I don't think the gay rights movement does not support.

Support what?

What they want is absolute conformity to their views with no room for rational dissent.

Not at all.
Dude... Stop...
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5/14/2014 2:24:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/14/2014 1:57:37 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/14/2014 12:29:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At this point, I don't think the gay rights movement does not support.

Support what?

Whatever they want, be it gay marriage, forcing businesses/churches to participate in gay weddings, or making heterosexuals feel bad for finding gay kissing or sex to be icky.

What they want is absolute conformity to their views with no room for rational dissent.

Not at all.

Why did the gay rights movement force Mozilla's CEO out for privately donating $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008, then?
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5/14/2014 11:00:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/14/2014 11:56:06 AM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/14/2014 9:03:02 AM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 5/13/2014 5:22:23 PM, Crescendo wrote:
At 5/13/2014 3:20:20 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 5/13/2014 12:24:33 PM, Crescendo wrote:
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone, as I know it will; I just need to carry out a big rant right now. I do this kind of thing occasionally, and I'll be back to normal once I finish venting.

The LGBT movement has moved on from fighting for their "equality" to downright bullying those who don't agree with them.

Now, I am not talking about the Christian bakeries which are forced to bake cakes for gay "weddings." I'm not talking about the photographers which are forced to take pictures at gay "weddings."
It is disputable who's the bigot in these cases, though I side with the Christians in most (if not all all) of these cases.

But in the cases that I'm about to show you, the LGBT advocates have shown their true worthless, scum-filled selves. Now, I am NOT talking about all or most gay people here. I am talking about the homosexuals responsible for this crap:

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com...
http://blog.speakupmovement.org...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

So this is "equality," huh? So is it not enough to win the right to get married; now you have to force churches to go against everything they believe in because you say so? Why can't you just stand before a judge or find a liberal pastor do perform your wedding? Of course, if this thread is not ignored, then there will be a flurry of people coming to the defense of those who force Conservative churches and Conservative pastors to conduct gay weddings. I await such people, who will attack me with every word of MSNBC propaganda that they've ever heard.
Congratulations; you won, and now you get to be as intolerant as any of your opponents ever were. Jerks.

P.S. Yes, most of the sources were from a Conservative point of view. But stories reported are real world events. Be sure to see the one about Denmark.

What's wrong with gay weddings?

With no insult intended, I'm guessing you believe that the Biblical verses on homosexuality aren't to be taken literally.

I believe they are mistranslated. And that most Christians consider gays to be immoral demons and beasts instead of human beings like us.

I didn't say that. Yes, they are human beings like us, and all of us humans are sinners. That's why I (well, actually, somebody I know) came up with a solution to the whole gay thing that should satisfy everyone. But instead, they're forcing Conservatives to perform their marriages.

It's not really forcing. It's like the whole Arizona thing all over again. It's just business. Conservatives like Ann Coulter are idiots anyways.
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5/15/2014 9:05:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/14/2014 2:24:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/14/2014 1:57:37 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/14/2014 12:29:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At this point, I don't think the gay rights movement does not support.

Support what?

Whatever they want, be it gay marriage, forcing businesses/churches to participate in gay weddings, or making heterosexuals feel bad for finding gay kissing or sex to be icky.

What they want is absolute conformity to their views with no room for rational dissent.

Not at all.

Why did the gay rights movement force Mozilla's CEO out for privately donating $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008, then?

Because, as CEO, he is basically the public face and embodiment of the company. It would be different if he was not in a position of such authority.
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5/15/2014 9:28:00 AM
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At 5/15/2014 9:05:20 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/14/2014 2:24:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/14/2014 1:57:37 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/14/2014 12:29:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At this point, I don't think the gay rights movement does not support.

Support what?

Whatever they want, be it gay marriage, forcing businesses/churches to participate in gay weddings, or making heterosexuals feel bad for finding gay kissing or sex to be icky.

What they want is absolute conformity to their views with no room for rational dissent.

Not at all.

Why did the gay rights movement force Mozilla's CEO out for privately donating $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008, then?

Because, as CEO, he is basically the public face and embodiment of the company. It would be different if he was not in a position of such authority.

Ah-ha, so it is about conformity. The poor plebians can believe whatever they want, because nobody cares about them, but if you want to do better for yourself you either have to agree with the gay lobby or be fired from your job.
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5/15/2014 11:45:22 AM
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At 5/15/2014 9:28:00 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:05:20 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/14/2014 2:24:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/14/2014 1:57:37 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/14/2014 12:29:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At this point, I don't think the gay rights movement does not support.

Support what?

Whatever they want, be it gay marriage, forcing businesses/churches to participate in gay weddings, or making heterosexuals feel bad for finding gay kissing or sex to be icky.

What they want is absolute conformity to their views with no room for rational dissent.

Not at all.

Why did the gay rights movement force Mozilla's CEO out for privately donating $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008, then?

Because, as CEO, he is basically the public face and embodiment of the company. It would be different if he was not in a position of such authority.

Ah-ha, so it is about conformity. The poor plebians can believe whatever they want, because nobody cares about them, but if you want to do better for yourself you either have to agree with the gay lobby or be fired from your job.

The demand here isn't to "agree with the gay lobby." It's to not put someone who is a homophobe in a position where they are in control over one of the major freeware organizations.

This isn't a position of power. It's being the boss. If someone donated money to a campaign against interracial marriage, or said racist comments, and was in command of a company, few would complain if they were asked to resign. But should someone target LGBT+ people, and suddenly conservatives are up in arms.

Hell, a company specifically devoted to inclusiveness and openmindness has even more to lose by promoting a homophobe... which was probably why Eich, rather than being fired, stepped down.

Face it, this is just a double standard on your part because you're antigay. It isn't part of a generalized principle towards tolerance, and we aren't hypocrites for not wanting a bigot in charge of Mozilla, any more than we would be if he was a member of the KKK.
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5/15/2014 12:13:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 11:45:22 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:28:00 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/15/2014 9:05:20 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/14/2014 2:24:32 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/14/2014 1:57:37 PM, Fanath wrote:
At 5/14/2014 12:29:50 PM, TN05 wrote:
At this point, I don't think the gay rights movement does not support.

Support what?

Whatever they want, be it gay marriage, forcing businesses/churches to participate in gay weddings, or making heterosexuals feel bad for finding gay kissing or sex to be icky.

What they want is absolute conformity to their views with no room for rational dissent.

Not at all.

Why did the gay rights movement force Mozilla's CEO out for privately donating $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008, then?

Because, as CEO, he is basically the public face and embodiment of the company. It would be different if he was not in a position of such authority.

Ah-ha, so it is about conformity. The poor plebians can believe whatever they want, because nobody cares about them, but if you want to do better for yourself you either have to agree with the gay lobby or be fired from your job.

The demand here isn't to "agree with the gay lobby." It's to not put someone who is a homophobe in a position where they are in control over one of the major freeware organizations.

He donated $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008. Prop 8 passed with 52% of the vote. Should everyone who voted for Prop 8 be fired from their jobs?

This isn't a position of power. It's being the boss. If someone donated money to a campaign against interracial marriage, or said racist comments, and was in command of a company, few would complain if they were asked to resign. But should someone target LGBT+ people, and suddenly conservatives are up in arms.

In 2008, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton opposed gay marriage. Did you support Obama or Hillary in 2008? Were you happy when homophobic Barack Obama was elected?

And no, he didn't 'target' anyone. He never talked about his political views in the office. You're pissed he didn't support your political views six years ago and so you wanted his head.

Hell, a company specifically devoted to inclusiveness and openmindness has even more to lose by promoting a homophobe... which was probably why Eich, rather than being fired, stepped down.

Because everyone who opposed gay marriage in 2008 is a homophobe. Like Barack Obama and the vast majority of Congressional Democrats!

Face it, this is just a double standard on your part because you're antigay. It isn't part of a generalized principle towards tolerance, and we aren't hypocrites for not wanting a bigot in charge of Mozilla, any more than we would be if he was a member of the KKK.

Lol, I think you've basically proven my point here. You don't believe people who oppose (or at one point opposed) gay marriage should be allowed to advance their lives and careers. That's the problem here - conservatives believe socialists are wrong. Socialists believe conservatives are evil.

And FTR, I'm not 'antigay'. I've got no issue with gay people. If I had it my way government would be out of marriage entirely and would only issue civil unions. But of course since I don't agree 100% with you I'm a bigot and thus don't deserve to have a good job or anything.
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5/15/2014 1:29:15 PM
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At 5/15/2014 12:13:09 PM, TN05 wrote:
He donated $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008. Prop 8 passed with 52% of the vote. Should everyone who voted for Prop 8 be fired from their jobs?

Not everyone--in fact, most people--who voted for Prop 8 aren't in charge of a major organization.

In 2008, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton opposed gay marriage. Did you support Obama or Hillary in 2008? Were you happy when homophobic Barack Obama was elected?

As "not as bad as John McCain?" Well, yes, but I personally would have preferred the socialist candidate win.

And no, he didn't 'target' anyone. He never talked about his political views in the office. You're pissed he didn't support your political views six years ago and so you wanted his head.

1. Not relevant. You really can't separate someone's decisions on the job from their overall attitudes and opinions. Human psychology does not work that way.
2. No, I don't "want his head." I don't want him in charge of a major organization.

Because everyone who opposed gay marriage in 2008 is a homophobe. Like Barack Obama and the vast majority of Congressional Democrats!

Yeah, I'd call the vast majority of politicians--even Democrats--who didn't oppose marriage equality for any reasons other than "it won't get me voted into office" homophobes.

Lol, I think you've basically proven my point here. You don't believe people who oppose (or at one point opposed) gay marriage should be allowed to advance their lives and careers. That's the problem here - conservatives believe socialists are wrong. Socialists believe conservatives are evil.

1. Advance their lives and careers, certainly. Be put in charge of a major organization after giving logistical/financial support to antigay causes? No.
2. No, I don't believe conservatives are evil. I don't believe evil exists, really, except as a way to describe a specific action. And everyone commits evil actions.

And FTR, I'm not 'antigay'. I've got no issue with gay people. If I had it my way government would be out of marriage entirely and would only issue civil unions. But of course since I don't agree 100% with you I'm a bigot and thus don't deserve to have a good job or anything.

No, I called you a bigot because you condone intolerance against gay people, but have no problems with someone being asked to resign for giving financial support to laws banning interracial marriage.
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5/15/2014 1:42:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 1:29:15 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/15/2014 12:13:09 PM, TN05 wrote:
He donated $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008. Prop 8 passed with 52% of the vote. Should everyone who voted for Prop 8 be fired from their jobs?

Not everyone--in fact, most people--who voted for Prop 8 aren't in charge of a major organization.

But you don't believe people who voted for it should be eligible to run a company, no? Why not just fire all of them? They're evil bigots who don't deserve anything!

In 2008, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton opposed gay marriage. Did you support Obama or Hillary in 2008? Were you happy when homophobic Barack Obama was elected?

As "not as bad as John McCain?" Well, yes, but I personally would have preferred the socialist candidate win.

That's not an answer. Were you happy when Obama won, or did you condemn him as a homophobic bigot?

And no, he didn't 'target' anyone. He never talked about his political views in the office. You're pissed he didn't support your political views six years ago and so you wanted his head.

1. Not relevant. You really can't separate someone's decisions on the job from their overall attitudes and opinions. Human psychology does not work that way.
2. No, I don't "want his head." I don't want him in charge of a major organization.

It is relevant. You wanted him fired because of his views, so yes, you did want his head.

Because everyone who opposed gay marriage in 2008 is a homophobe. Like Barack Obama and the vast majority of Congressional Democrats!

Yeah, I'd call the vast majority of politicians--even Democrats--who didn't oppose marriage equality for any reasons other than "it won't get me voted into office" homophobes.
Lol, I think you've basically proven my point here. You don't believe people who oppose (or at one point opposed) gay marriage should be allowed to advance their lives and careers. That's the problem here - conservatives believe socialists are wrong. Socialists believe conservatives are evil.

1. Advance their lives and careers, certainly. Be put in charge of a major organization after giving logistical/financial support to antigay causes? No.

Mozilla is not a major organization. It's a non-profit company providing freeware internet material.

2. No, I don't believe conservatives are evil. I don't believe evil exists, really, except as a way to describe a specific action. And everyone commits evil actions.

If you don't believe evil is real, how can anything be objectionable?

And FTR, I'm not 'antigay'. I've got no issue with gay people. If I had it my way government would be out of marriage entirely and would only issue civil unions. But of course since I don't agree 100% with you I'm a bigot and thus don't deserve to have a good job or anything.

No, I called you a bigot because you condone intolerance against gay people, but have no problems with someone being asked to resign for giving financial support to laws banning interracial marriage.

Lol, and you condone firing anyone who disagrees with you. Seems like you're the bigot here.
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5/15/2014 2:10:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 5/15/2014 1:42:02 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/15/2014 1:29:15 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 5/15/2014 12:13:09 PM, TN05 wrote:
He donated $1,000 to Prop 8 in 2008. Prop 8 passed with 52% of the vote. Should everyone who voted for Prop 8 be fired from their jobs?

Not everyone--in fact, most people--who voted for Prop 8 aren't in charge of a major organization.

But you don't believe people who voted for it should be eligible to run a company, no? Why not just fire all of them? They're evil bigots who don't deserve anything!

Leaving aside that generally the people who run major organizations aren't the type to vote for Prop 8, voting and donating large sums of money are significantly different.

That's not an answer. Were you happy when Obama won, or did you condemn him as a homophobic bigot?

Wasn't particularly happy, no. I did feel some degree of pleasure at knowing that John McCain did not win, of course, but I was hardly jumping up and down.

It is relevant. You wanted him fired because of his views, so yes, you did want his head.

I want him not to be in charge because of his actions.

Mozilla is not a major organization. It's a non-profit company providing freeware internet material.

Which makes it a major organization when you factor in how many use it.

If you don't believe evil is real, how can anything be objectionable?

I would suggest you familiarize yourself with utilitarianism.

Lol, and you condone firing anyone who disagrees with you. Seems like you're the bigot here.

I condone not hiring a homophobe who serve as the public figurehead and representative of a major organization.