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7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.
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7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
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7/8/2014 12:16:16 AM
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At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?

Judging by the anti-feminism, I'd say ancap (gross)
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7/8/2014 10:32:16 AM
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At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

Rule of People? What is it? When you talk about Rule, it involves government, that is of people always, never of aliens.
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7/8/2014 11:00:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 10:32:16 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

Rule of People? What is it? When you talk about Rule, it involves government, that is of people always, never of aliens.

^Agreed. Anarchy is a pretty cute euphemism for chaos.

But to the OP, I'd be interested to see 'other info.'
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7/8/2014 11:57:23 AM
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Anarchy is a great idea on paper, but is too reliant on people being rational, informed, not ignorant, not greedy and not having the will to exploit people. It is too reliant on people being naturally good or at least not bad and as it is an easy system to exploit without a body, which defeats the purpose, I see it is too volatile.

Also, unless you are anarcho-communist and don't want to import nor export, fiscal and monetary policy, national policy as well as nationwide decisions become difficult to manage. It requires that people are rational and informed, as well as want to vote or take part. And with anarcho-communism/socialism, it becomes worse actually because a social safety net and education, healthcare, etc, has to be done in a way in which there is no governing body, and that creates authority. This system requires even more ignorance and a will to do it. Many people just want to be happy without having to do so much.

Anarcho-syndicalism is a better option, but it is even more volatile. Having any sort of syndicate requires some sort of leadership or administration, which defeats the system. Let's not forget that inter-syndicate affairs are also not only hard to manage without a representative, but could lead to problems which could have very negative ramifications.

My ideal system is an partly laissez-faire, neo-liberal capitalist country but with a focus against cronyism, monopolisation, nepotism and oligarchical/plutocratic rule. It would be slightly more libertarian as opposed to authoritarian, with a social point of view that is progressive and moderately liberal, but with conservative "family values" and not a huge focus on PC and decorum that modern liberalism has.
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7/8/2014 1:15:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.
I don't like the idea of communism, people that work harder deserve more. I'd actually like to hear an explanation of what you mean by the communism part.
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
I'm not sure what all of them are, would you mind giving me a short explanation of some?
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7/8/2014 1:19:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 12:16:16 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?

Judging by the anti-feminism, I'd say ancap (gross)
Actually I don't really care what the economical system is, as long as the majority agree with it, because any economical system or government type will work perfectly if a (large) majority strongly support it.
I also have nothing against peoples' views if they differ from mine, I won't agree with you (which is why I am anti-feminist), but I will die fighting for your right to say your opinion, no matter how much I hate or disagree with it.
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7/8/2014 1:21:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 11:57:23 AM, CJKAllstar wrote:
Anarchy is a great idea on paper, but is too reliant on people being rational, informed, not ignorant, not greedy and not having the will to exploit people. It is too reliant on people being naturally good or at least not bad and as it is an easy system to exploit without a body, which defeats the purpose, I see it is too volatile.

Also, unless you are anarcho-communist and don't want to import nor export, fiscal and monetary policy, national policy as well as nationwide decisions become difficult to manage. It requires that people are rational and informed, as well as want to vote or take part. And with anarcho-communism/socialism, it becomes worse actually because a social safety net and education, healthcare, etc, has to be done in a way in which there is no governing body, and that creates authority. This system requires even more ignorance and a will to do it. Many people just want to be happy without having to do so much.

Anarcho-syndicalism is a better option, but it is even more volatile. Having any sort of syndicate requires some sort of leadership or administration, which defeats the system. Let's not forget that inter-syndicate affairs are also not only hard to manage without a representative, but could lead to problems which could have very negative ramifications.

My ideal system is an partly laissez-faire, neo-liberal capitalist country but with a focus against cronyism, monopolisation, nepotism and oligarchical/plutocratic rule. It would be slightly more libertarian as opposed to authoritarian, with a social point of view that is progressive and moderately liberal, but with conservative "family values" and not a huge focus on PC and decorum that modern liberalism has.

I completely agree with that last statement, but people will always disagree for the sole purpose of disagreeing... Then the system falls and changes for the worse.
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7/8/2014 1:31:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 10:32:16 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

Rule of People? What is it? When you talk about Rule, it involves government, that is of people always, never of aliens.
By 'rule of the people', I mean that it is the 99% not the 1%. I thought that was overly obvious.
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7/8/2014 1:32:35 PM
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At 7/8/2014 10:32:16 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

Rule of People? What is it? When you talk about Rule, it involves government, that is of people always, never of aliens.

By 'rule of the people', I mean that it is the 99% not the 1%. I thought that was overly obvious.
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7/8/2014 1:59:10 PM
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At 7/8/2014 1:32:35 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/8/2014 10:32:16 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

Rule of People? What is it? When you talk about Rule, it involves government, that is of people always, never of aliens.

By 'rule of the people', I mean that it is the 99% not the 1%. I thought that was overly obvious.
plz elaborate more about anarchy.
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7/8/2014 2:04:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Dazz wrote:
plz elaborate more about anarchy.

People will eventually cooperate for the better (voluntarily might I add) if there is no government. There will be people that want to hurt others on purpose, but people will band together against those types of people. The natural order of humans is anarchy, all government falls eventually, so it's better not to have one and let chaos rule for a while, then people will realize that everyone will die if this keeps on and will band together in an anarcho-democracy civilization.
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7/8/2014 6:06:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 1:15:58 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.
I don't like the idea of communism, people that work harder deserve more. I'd actually like to hear an explanation of what you mean by the communism part.

Communism is the belief in a stateless, classless, moneyless society that is based on the maxim 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'. This itself runs in a near perfect line with anarchism.

By the way, if you believe in capitalism, then you aren't an anarchist.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
I'm not sure what all of them are, would you mind giving me a short explanation of some?

If you don't know at least some of the schools of thought, then you don't know anarchy.
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7/8/2014 6:13:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 6:06:14 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/8/2014 1:15:58 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.
I don't like the idea of communism, people that work harder deserve more. I'd actually like to hear an explanation of what you mean by the communism part.

Communism is the belief in a stateless, classless, moneyless society that is based on the maxim 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'.
This itself runs in a near perfect line with anarchism.

"from each according to their ability" is a good idea and it should fit with "to each according on their ability" because they get rewarded for the more work they do, which is what gives them a higher incentive to work than "to each according to their needs." I don't 'need' luxury foods and items, but it is a good benefit to have.

By the way, if you believe in capitalism, then you aren't an anarchist.

you can still be an anarchist if you believe in capitalism. I never said anything about capitalism being good in anarchy.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
I'm not sure what all of them are, would you mind giving me a short explanation of some?

If you don't know at least some of the schools of thought, then you don't know anarchy.

I know anarcho capitalist, pacifist anarhcism, anarcho communism, and feminist anarchism (retarded as hell)
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7/8/2014 6:16:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 6:06:14 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/8/2014 1:15:58 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.
I don't like the idea of communism, people that work harder deserve more. I'd actually like to hear an explanation of what you mean by the communism part.

Communism is the belief in a stateless, classless, moneyless society that is based on the maxim 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'.
This itself runs in a near perfect line with anarchism.

"from each according to their ability" is a good idea and it should fit with "to each according on their ability" because they get rewarded for the more work they do, which is what gives them a higher incentive to work than "to each according to their needs." I don't 'need' luxury foods and items, but it is a good benefit to have.


By the way, if you believe in capitalism, then you aren't an anarchist.

you can still be an anarchist if you believe in capitalism. I never said anything about capitalism being good in anarchy.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
I'm not sure what all of them are, would you mind giving me a short explanation of some?

If you don't know at least some of the schools of thought, then you don't know anarchy.

I know anarcho capitalist, pacifist anarhcism, anarcho communism, and feminist anarchism (retarded as hell)
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7/8/2014 6:37:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 1:19:23 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/8/2014 12:16:16 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?

Judging by the anti-feminism, I'd say ancap (gross)
Actually I don't really care what the economical system is, as long as the majority agree with it, because any economical system or government type will work perfectly if a (large) majority strongly support it.

By that logic, Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany worked perfectly. The large majority strongly supported both due to fear, coercion, and a massive propaganda base.

I also have nothing against peoples' views if they differ from mine, I won't agree with you (which is why I am anti-feminist), but I will die fighting for your right to say your opinion, no matter how much I hate or disagree with it.

So you're an anarchist, but you're also an anti-feminist?

Good luck trying to defend that position.
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7/8/2014 6:57:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 6:37:45 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/8/2014 1:19:23 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/8/2014 12:16:16 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?

Judging by the anti-feminism, I'd say ancap (gross)
Actually I don't really care what the economical system is, as long as the majority agree with it, because any economical system or government type will work perfectly if a (large) majority strongly support it.

By that logic, Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany worked perfectly. The large majority strongly supported both due to fear, coercion, and a massive propaganda base.

technically they did, but all government eventually fails.


I also have nothing against peoples' views if they differ from mine, I won't agree with you (which is why I am anti-feminist), but I will die fighting for your right to say your opinion, no matter how much I hate or disagree with it.

So you're an anarchist, but you're also an anti-feminist?

Good luck trying to defend that position.

what do those have to do with each other anyways? I can be against the radical feminist views/gender equality in total, but still be for anarchy. Gender equality is almost always enforced by law (which often results in a bias towards a certain gender).
Anarchy has no laws.
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7/8/2014 10:49:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 1:19:23 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/8/2014 12:16:16 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?

Judging by the anti-feminism, I'd say ancap (gross)
Actually I don't really care what the economical system is, as long as the majority agree with it, because any economical system or government type will work perfectly if a (large) majority strongly support it.

That's a non-point.

I also have nothing against peoples' views if they differ from mine, I won't agree with you (which is why I am anti-feminist), but I will die fighting for your right to say your opinion, no matter how much I hate or disagree with it.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Yer pretense of civility ends when you drown out women's issues with male-centric garbage.
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7/9/2014 3:09:32 PM
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At 7/8/2014 6:16:37 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/8/2014 6:06:14 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/8/2014 1:15:58 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.
I don't like the idea of communism, people that work harder deserve more. I'd actually like to hear an explanation of what you mean by the communism part.

Communism is the belief in a stateless, classless, moneyless society that is based on the maxim 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'.
This itself runs in a near perfect line with anarchism.

"from each according to their ability" is a good idea and it should fit with "to each according on their ability" because they get rewarded for the more work they do, which is what gives them a higher incentive to work than "to each according to their needs." I don't 'need' luxury foods and items, but it is a good benefit to have.

In communism, an abundance of goods and services is created in order to provide for everyone's physical and essential needs. Luxury goods are really only there to satisfy imaginary appetites that are created by capitalism. While we have luxury goods here in the first world, we are wasting hard earned resources to create such when they could be used to help those starving in the third world.

Even then, there is no valid way of measuring the economic contributions of any one worker's economic or productive contributions. Simply because all wealth and value created is the product of the work of both current and preceding generations or workers.

Whatever the worker produces wasn't produced solely from their own labor. Someone had to build the means of production, someone had to plan the product, someone had to do X, Y, or Z to allow for the worker to produce product A. Besides, if your happiness and welfare are dependent on you contributing your ability (alongside everyone else's) to satisfy your needs (alongside everyone else's) then you wouldn't work for wages. You would work to ensure your and everyone else's happiness and welfare alongside everyone else.


By the way, if you believe in capitalism, then you aren't an anarchist.

you can still be an anarchist if you believe in capitalism. I never said anything about capitalism being good in anarchy.

'You can still be an anarchist if you believe in capitalism'?

No you can't.

Capitalism is comprised of three components. Those being wage labor, private ownership of the means of production, and Competitive market exchange of goods and services. Because the means of production are privatized, all the value created during the labor process (by the workers) within a facility will be pumped upwards to be accumulated by bosses. Because of this, the gap between rich and poor will increase. Thus creating a class division amongst a society.

This class division will cause the capitalist (aka the rich) class to use means to protect their claim on the ownership of the means of production. Whereas the working class will work towards expropriating their means of production to be owned communally. Since the capitalists will be heavily outnumbered, they will rely on the use/creation of a state apparatus to defend their class interests. Thus creating what was desired to be abolished in the first place, a monopoly on the use of force and violence that is perceived to be legitimate (aka a state).

Purporting that anarchism and capitalism can exist is like advocating for anarcho-statism. It is impossible.


Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
I'm not sure what all of them are, would you mind giving me a short explanation of some?

If you don't know at least some of the schools of thought, then you don't know anarchy.

I know anarcho capitalist, pacifist anarhcism, anarcho communism, and feminist anarchism (retarded as hell)

'Anarcho'-capitalism isn't a school of thought (especially within anarchism), it's pseudoscience.

As for your comments of Anarcha-feminism, I don't see how it's 'retarded'.
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7/9/2014 3:09:46 PM
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At 7/8/2014 6:57:37 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/8/2014 6:37:45 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/8/2014 1:19:23 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/8/2014 12:16:16 AM, socialpinko wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?

Judging by the anti-feminism, I'd say ancap (gross)
Actually I don't really care what the economical system is, as long as the majority agree with it, because any economical system or government type will work perfectly if a (large) majority strongly support it.

By that logic, Stalin's Russia or Hitler's Germany worked perfectly. The large majority strongly supported both due to fear, coercion, and a massive propaganda base.

technically they did, but all government eventually fails.


Government fails due to class struggle. Just because the majority of a society agree on something doesn't mean that it will 'work perfectly'. Even an 'anarchist' (at least 'anarchist' by your standards) would fail due to class struggle.


I also have nothing against peoples' views if they differ from mine, I won't agree with you (which is why I am anti-feminist), but I will die fighting for your right to say your opinion, no matter how much I hate or disagree with it.

So you're an anarchist, but you're also an anti-feminist?

Good luck trying to defend that position.

what do those have to do with each other anyways? I can be against the radical feminist views/gender equality in total, but still be for anarchy. Gender equality is almost always enforced by law (which often results in a bias towards a certain gender).
Anarchy has no laws.

Anarchy also has no hierarchy.

Feminism, just like anarchism, acknowledges a system of hierarchy known as patriarchy. This hierarchy spoils both the character of the oppressor and the oppressed. This hierarchy also must support itself through social violence (discrimination and dehumanization). Thus, this authority is illegitimate, and must be abolished in favor of equality.

A major tenet within anarchism is the abolition of illegitimate authority in favor of equity. Saying that feminism (which advocates for equality instead of illegitimate authority of males/females within a gender normative) doesn't propose this is baseless.

Equality cannot be ensured by law. If that were the case, we would be living in a utopia where racism, sexism, homophobia, and other means of discrimination didn't exist. Do I agree with feminists or any other social group trying to go out and beg for privileges from the state? No, I think those groups should be fighting against the state and society in favor of real equality.
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7/12/2014 1:35:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/8/2014 6:06:14 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/8/2014 1:15:58 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.
I don't like the idea of communism, people that work harder deserve more. I'd actually like to hear an explanation of what you mean by the communism part.

Communism is the belief in a stateless, classless, moneyless society that is based on the maxim 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'. This itself runs in a near perfect line with anarchism.

By the way, if you believe in capitalism, then you aren't an anarchist.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
I'm not sure what all of them are, would you mind giving me a short explanation of some?

If you don't know at least some of the schools of thought, then you don't know anarchy.

I don't understand how you can have anarchy without capitalism. Even if you trade fur for food or some other thing it's still capitalism. The only way around capitalism would be a program that assigned each according to his need, but how would you accomplish that without a totalitarian government?
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7/12/2014 1:52:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Strict form of classical liberalism. Anarchy would be fine if there's any way for it to exist in country borders. I'm a nationalist and would never let my country dissolve for any system.
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7/12/2014 2:02:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/12/2014 1:35:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 7/8/2014 6:06:14 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/8/2014 1:15:58 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:59:25 PM, Chimera wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?

Anarcho-communism.
I don't like the idea of communism, people that work harder deserve more. I'd actually like to hear an explanation of what you mean by the communism part.

Communism is the belief in a stateless, classless, moneyless society that is based on the maxim 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'. This itself runs in a near perfect line with anarchism.

By the way, if you believe in capitalism, then you aren't an anarchist.

Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

What school of anarchist thought do you subscribe to?
I'm not sure what all of them are, would you mind giving me a short explanation of some?

If you don't know at least some of the schools of thought, then you don't know anarchy.

I don't understand how you can have anarchy without capitalism. Even if you trade fur for food or some other thing it's still capitalism.

You are confusing markets with capitalism. Markets and free trade were around long before capitalism was ever developed as a theory, let alone in practice.

Some anti-capitalist anarchist theories (like Mutualism, and partly Anarcho-collectivism) support having markets (or 'arkets' in some instances of anarcho-collectivism) and some sort of currency (labor vouchers / designated currency). Really it's only anarcho-communism that supports the abolition of markets and currency, since we don't view is as the most efficient means of distributing goods.

The only way around capitalism would be a program that assigned each according to his need, but how would you accomplish that without a totalitarian government?

Simple, make help all people realize that their own needs are dependent on the ability of others, and vice-versa. Create a society that is based on Mutual Aid/cooperation as opposed to Social Darwinism/competition. If everyone understood the magnitude that their actions have (through social relations) on those around them, then the logical decision would be cooperate with others, since it with your own best interest to have friends as opposed to enemies.

To put it bluntly, people would organize to meet their own needs (and everyone else's needs) in a mass coalition of labor, skills, etc. (ability) with others. If you don't work, then you will still have access to all goods.

However, being a free-rider would be detrimental since people would constantly fck with you by purposefully messing with your services (aka, your mailman 'forgot' to deliver your mail, or the clothing you got from the commons 'just so happened' to be two sizes too big, or your internet 'just so happened' to go out one day) or just deny you some services entirely (however, I might be wrong about that). Other methods could include social ostracism/pressure to not be lazy.

I might be explaining the theory wrong, but i'm not exactly the greatest anarchist theorist ever. However, leftist anarchism doesn't have one huge big consensus on what ideas to use within an anarchist society, so my views don't necessarily represent all anarcho-communists.
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7/12/2014 2:07:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Okay I get it now. I was equating currency and trade to capitalism. I thought the 2 were synonymous. I'll have to try to get a firmer grasp on the actual definition of capitalism, I guess.

Thanks
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7/12/2014 2:11:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/12/2014 2:07:01 PM, Wylted wrote:
Okay I get it now. I was equating currency and trade to capitalism. I thought the 2 were synonymous. I'll have to try to get a firmer grasp on the actual definition of capitalism, I guess.

Thanks

No problem.
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7/12/2014 2:17:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

How does that differ from democracy? What is government but a name we give to the principle of societal organization?
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7/12/2014 2:32:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/12/2014 2:17:26 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

How does that differ from democracy? What is government but a name we give to the principle of societal organization?

The difference is that we accept the subjugation of power, whereas in anarchy that does not happen. Collective bodies exist, but they can only have power when those they want power over accept.

A government requires the citizens to accept their authority. It is really that simple. If nobody in the country accepted law, the government or anyone as their leader, they would have no control and would just be a collective body.

Anarchism, although I personally think it is flawed, relies on this. Collective bodies can exist, but as long as the status quo/consensus is that they hold no power, and the people have say within that body, they aren't a government.

Even if there was one collective body in an anarchist state which decides on legislation via referenda, so as long as the people are under the notion that they hold no extra power than they do, so long as the people are under the view that that body is not a "government" and do not accept them as any sort of authority, they can not utilise any power they think they have.

Anarchism is based very much on theoretical logic such as this. It is the rule of the people and not the government because people do not accept the subjugation/rule of any body. Government simply isn't a name we give to a societal organisation, but rather the name as well as an acceptance of their rule.
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
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7/12/2014 2:33:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 7/12/2014 2:32:31 PM, CJKAllstar wrote:
At 7/12/2014 2:17:26 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 7/7/2014 10:00:27 PM, SGM_iz_SekC wrote:
What is your favorite political/government ideology?
Mine is anarchy. Anarchy is the absolute rule of the people, not government. I have other info if you want.

How does that differ from democracy? What is government but a name we give to the principle of societal organization?

The difference is that we accept the subjugation of power, whereas in anarchy that does not happen. Collective bodies exist, but they can only have power when those they want power over accept.

A government requires the citizens to accept their authority. It is really that simple. If nobody in the country accepted law, the government or anyone as their leader, they would have no control and would just be a collective body.

Anarchism, although I personally think it is flawed, relies on this. Collective bodies can exist, but as long as the status quo/consensus is that they hold no power, and the people have say within that body, they aren't a government.

Even if there was one collective body in an anarchist state which decides on legislation via referenda, so as long as the people are under the notion that they hold no extra power than they do, so long as the people are under the view that that body is not a "government" and do not accept them as any sort of authority, they can not utilise any power they think they have.

Anarchism is based very much on theoretical logic such as this. It is the rule of the people and not the government because people do not accept the subjugation/rule of any body. Government simply isn't a name we give to a societal organisation, but rather the name as well as an acceptance of their rule.

Btw, could an anarchist vouch that this is correct, and that this is how anarchism works? I haven't read a lot into, I just think I happen to be good at understanding how political ideologies work.
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell
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7/13/2014 3:46:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Bump.
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." - George Orwell