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7/24/2014 1:34:08 PM
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"When people are free to choose, they choose freedom." - Margaret Thatcher
"The chief business of the American people is business." - Calvin Coolidge

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7/24/2014 1:36:56 PM
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At 7/24/2014 1:34:08 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
"When people are free to choose, they choose freedom." - Margaret Thatcher

I'd be willing to debate that Thatcher is wrong there.
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7/24/2014 1:38:20 PM
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At 7/24/2014 1:34:08 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
"When people are free to choose, they choose freedom." - Margaret Thatcher

I'd debate con on that.
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7/24/2014 1:38:58 PM
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At 7/24/2014 1:36:56 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:34:08 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
"When people are free to choose, they choose freedom." - Margaret Thatcher

I'd be willing to debate that Thatcher is wrong there.

I'm pretty sure people would choose free stuff first.
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7/24/2014 1:39:22 PM
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At 7/24/2014 1:36:56 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:34:08 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
"When people are free to choose, they choose freedom." - Margaret Thatcher

I'd be willing to debate that Thatcher is wrong there.

Maybe, I am currently debating about her overall policies and how they affected the country, but I can see where she would be wrong in that specific quote. I just know when I am free to choose I choose freedom.
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7/24/2014 1:40:57 PM
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I would say though that what she meant because they have the freedom of choice, they are already picking freedom over everything else.
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7/24/2014 1:56:17 PM
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At 7/24/2014 1:39:22 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:36:56 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:34:08 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
"When people are free to choose, they choose freedom." - Margaret Thatcher

I'd be willing to debate that Thatcher is wrong there.

Maybe, I am currently debating about her overall policies and how they affected the country, but I can see where she would be wrong in that specific quote.

Yeah, it was probably just a political quote.

I just know when I am free to choose I choose freedom.

Me too. At least, I think I would. I imagine my decision making calculus would be different if I wasn't blessed with the privileges I do have that keep me from having to rely on what the OP disparagingly calls "free stuff"
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7/24/2014 1:58:26 PM
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At 7/24/2014 1:56:17 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:39:22 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:36:56 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:34:08 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
"When people are free to choose, they choose freedom." - Margaret Thatcher

I'd be willing to debate that Thatcher is wrong there.

Maybe, I am currently debating about her overall policies and how they affected the country, but I can see where she would be wrong in that specific quote.

Yeah, it was probably just a political quote.

I just know when I am free to choose I choose freedom.

Me too. At least, I think I would. I imagine my decision making calculus would be different if I wasn't blessed with the privileges I do have that keep me from having to rely on what the OP disparagingly calls "free stuff"

That is why I think when Thatcher made that speech, she meant it that in having freedom of choice, the people were already choosing freedom because of the choice. In societies were there is no freedom that are no choices.
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7/24/2014 2:01:09 PM
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At 7/24/2014 1:58:26 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:

That is why I think when Thatcher made that speech, she meant it that in having freedom of choice, the people were already choosing freedom because of the choice. In societies were there is no freedom that are no choices.

Ahh I see where you are coming from. So you see her quote as a factual statement rather than an opinion.
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7/24/2014 2:01:52 PM
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At 7/24/2014 12:30:10 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
You can want free stuff, or you can want freedom.
Not both.

I want free stuff. Freedom is boring and chaotic.
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7/24/2014 2:19:50 PM
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At 7/24/2014 2:01:09 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/24/2014 1:58:26 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:

That is why I think when Thatcher made that speech, she meant it that in having freedom of choice, the people were already choosing freedom because of the choice. In societies were there is no freedom that are no choices.

Ahh I see where you are coming from. So you see her quote as a factual statement rather than an opinion.

Yeah, by already having freedom of choice they have chosen freedom.
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7/24/2014 6:26:19 PM
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At 7/24/2014 6:24:39 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
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7/25/2014 2:01:38 AM
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At 7/24/2014 6:26:19 PM, PotBelliedGeek wrote:
At 7/24/2014 6:24:39 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
Pikachu , I choose you!!

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7/25/2014 7:27:32 AM
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At 7/24/2014 12:30:10 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
You can want free stuff, or you can want freedom.
Not both.

The "free stuff" is paid for by our taxes, so isn't really free. Though I think it is possible to have a bit of both as seen in our government. We are not entirely a socialist state, though we do have state run institutions that are "free" such as school.

There are problems with the public school system, but on the whole I'd prefer that than have a person's wealth determine the course of their life. Rich and poor should both alike have access to education, else there isn't much the poorer people can do with their freedom. It's also necessary to give up certain freedoms for the sake of our overall security, hence we have a government in the first place.

I would say that Libertarianism isn't the answer, nor is a totally socialist perspective. The answer lies somewhere in between, and equality comes hand in hand with freedom which cannot be found in anarchy.
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7/25/2014 12:42:52 PM
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At 7/25/2014 7:27:32 AM, TrueScotsman wrote:
At 7/24/2014 12:30:10 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
You can want free stuff, or you can want freedom.
Not both.

The "free stuff" is paid for by our taxes, so isn't really free. Though I think it is possible to have a bit of both as seen in our government. We are not entirely a socialist state, though we do have state run institutions that are "free" such as school.

There are problems with the public school system, but on the whole I'd prefer that than have a person's wealth determine the course of their life. Rich and poor should both alike have access to education, else there isn't much the poorer people can do with their freedom. It's also necessary to give up certain freedoms for the sake of our overall security, hence we have a government in the first place.

I would say that Libertarianism isn't the answer, nor is a totally socialist perspective. The answer lies somewhere in between, and equality comes hand in hand with freedom which cannot be found in anarchy.

I'm scratching my head at that last statement there. A popular anarchist slogan is 'Liberty, equality, solidarity' after all.
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7/25/2014 12:43:54 PM
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At 7/24/2014 12:30:10 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
You can want free stuff, or you can want freedom.
Not both.

Never heard of combining the red and the black?
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7/26/2014 8:48:29 PM
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I was wrong.

I went to an opening day at a messenger bag shop where they gave out free, delicious sandwiches and kombucha. Then I recalled the awesome free samples at Costco in the states. Then I realized that every major city has marketing campaigns where they give out free sh!t. The more wealthy a nation is, the more they can and do give to charity, family, friends.

You can either have inefficient free stuff provided by government with poor service and economic stagnation [http://cdn.static-economist.com...] or free stuff provided by companies, family, friends in a healthy economic climate.
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7/27/2014 12:49:18 PM
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At 7/24/2014 12:30:10 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
You can want free stuff, or you can want freedom.
Not both.

If I choose both is that a contradictory? Or is this just a thought experiment where we can only choose one?
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