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3/3/2010 10:29:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Raise it to infinity. Victory: Whoever was a victim of democracy.
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3/3/2010 10:31:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:29:41 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Raise it to infinity. Victory: Whoever was a victim of democracy.

So wait..how are your judges appointed Ragnar??
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3/3/2010 10:33:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If I'm in charge?

Well, I appoint them until someone stops me. Or shows me that they'd do a better job at enacting the same ideals.
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3/3/2010 10:34:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:31:34 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:29:41 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Raise it to infinity. Victory: Whoever was a victim of democracy.

So wait..how are your judges appointed Ragnar??

By the owner of the court of course. You see FREEDO, by setting up your court in an area, you homestead that area's court function.
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3/3/2010 10:34:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:33:26 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If I'm in charge?

Well, I appoint them until someone stops me. Or shows me that they'd do a better job at enacting the same ideals.

No, I'm talking about minarchy.
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3/3/2010 10:34:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Ali G says that voting should be determined whether the person has "pubes" or not, and he gets to check the girls, lol.

"Shouldn't cleva people get more votes than stupid people? Cause I don't see why I should get the same amount of votes as someone who is an ignoramous." - Ali G
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3/3/2010 10:35:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:34:04 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:31:34 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:29:41 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Raise it to infinity. Victory: Whoever was a victim of democracy.

So wait..how are your judges appointed Ragnar??

By the owner of the court of course. You see FREEDO, by setting up your court in an area, you homestead that area's court function.

In an Anarchy, ya.
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3/3/2010 10:43:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"20 years ago, women didn't have the right to vote, but now they is equal. Does you think that 20 years time, animals will get to vote?" - Ali G
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-- Murray Rothbard

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3/3/2010 10:44:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Personally, I think it should at least be lowered to 16.

They may say that young people don't know enough about politics to be voting on it?

...Do most adults?

16 is around the time that we start getting real jobs and start paying for a lot of our own things. We have to pay the same taxes adults do. Why shouldn't we have a say in it?
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3/3/2010 10:45:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:34:49 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:33:26 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If I'm in charge?

Well, I appoint them until someone stops me. Or shows me that they'd do a better job at enacting the same ideals.

No, I'm talking about minarchy.

By the owner of the court of course. You see FREEDO, by setting up your court in an area, you homestead that area's court function.
Reasoning has correctly described minarchy. The court function in a minarchy, at least in a Ragnarian theory of minarchy, is considered private property of the government.

In an Anarchy, ya.
No, that's not how an anarchy works. in an anarchy EVERYONE gets to "appoint judges" over themselves, the court function of a broad area is not considered the private property of one entity that sets it up first, because an anarchist cannot, by definition, view that as a legitimate form of property, or they would be a minarchist (advocating a monopoly court over a given jurisdiction). You really should be more carefully about learning how your own ideology works. Lol.
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3/3/2010 10:45:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:43:55 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"20 years ago, women didn't have the right to vote, but now they is equal. Does you think that 20 years time, animals will get to vote?" - Ali G

I think in 20 years time 16yr olds will be able to vote.
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3/3/2010 10:47:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
more careful about
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3/3/2010 10:47:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:45:16 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:34:49 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:33:26 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If I'm in charge?

Well, I appoint them until someone stops me. Or shows me that they'd do a better job at enacting the same ideals.

No, I'm talking about minarchy.

By the owner of the court of course. You see FREEDO, by setting up your court in an area, you homestead that area's court function.
Reasoning has correctly described minarchy. The court function in a minarchy, at least in a Ragnarian theory of minarchy, is considered private property of the government.

In an Anarchy, ya.
No, that's not how an anarchy works. in an anarchy EVERYONE gets to "appoint judges" over themselves, the court function of a broad area is not considered the private property of one entity that sets it up first, because an anarchist cannot, by definition, view that as a legitimate form of property, or they would be a minarchist (advocating a monopoly court over a given jurisdiction). You really should be more carefully about learning how your own ideology works. Lol.

I'm not an Anarchist anymore. And I agree, I just misunderstood Reasoning.
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3/3/2010 10:48:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm not an Anarchist anymore. And I agree, I just misunderstood Reasoning.

What the hell did you flip yo floppy *** over to now? :P
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3/3/2010 10:50:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Also, I'd welcome opening the polls to animals, though as a tactic, not a principle. It would undermine democracy like crazy.
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3/3/2010 10:53:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:48:46 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
I'm not an Anarchist anymore. And I agree, I just misunderstood Reasoning.

What the hell did you flip yo floppy *** over to now? :P

I made a thread on it. You were there, I remember.

My political views are that of pragmatism and the scientific method. I do not put any blind faith in nor adhere to in any way any ideology. I think the most viable should be tested and those which prove to be most successful should be implemented.
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3/3/2010 10:53:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:50:43 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Also, I'd welcome opening the polls to animals, though as a tactic, not a principle. It would undermine democracy like crazy.

Lol. To be honest, we're not far away. There's people in the Obama administration who are pushing to get animals the right to sue humans.
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3/3/2010 10:55:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:53:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:48:46 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
I'm not an Anarchist anymore. And I agree, I just misunderstood Reasoning.

What the hell did you flip yo floppy *** over to now? :P

I made a thread on it. You were there, I remember.

My political views are that of pragmatism and the scientific method.
Wait, I thought I refuted that. Those aren't even a set of political views n00b. Those are epistemology.

I do not put any blind faith in nor adhere to in any way any ideology.
The only people who claim to put faith in ideology are theocrats.

I think the most viable should be tested
Where is the laboratory, and who do you intend to force to be the laboratory subjects of this new ideology, which is not "pragmatism" but rather a quite literal "scientific socialism?" (Which you really should remember from your anarchist phase is meaningless, as human beings are not controlled variables).
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3/3/2010 11:01:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 10:55:58 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:53:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 10:48:46 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
I'm not an Anarchist anymore. And I agree, I just misunderstood Reasoning.

What the hell did you flip yo floppy *** over to now? :P

I made a thread on it. You were there, I remember.

My political views are that of pragmatism and the scientific method.
Wait, I thought I refuted that. Those aren't even a set of political views n00b. Those are epistemology.

It's meant to be an ironic statement. I don't actually have any economic political views any more. Though, on social views I am still Libertarian.

I do not put any blind faith in nor adhere to in any way any ideology.
The only people who claim to put faith in ideology are theocrats.

Not from what it looks like.

I think the most viable should be tested
Where is the laboratory, and who do you intend to force to be the laboratory subjects of this new ideology, which is not "pragmatism" but rather a quite literal "scientific socialism?" (Which you really should remember from your anarchist phase is meaningless, as human beings are not controlled variables).

No, it's not an ideology. I'm not forcing it on anyone. I just watch the world and see what ends up being more successful then promote that until something better is found.
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3/3/2010 11:03:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago

I do not put any blind faith in nor adhere to in any way any ideology.
The only people who claim to put faith in ideology are theocrats.

Not from what it looks like.
?


I think the most viable should be tested
Where is the laboratory, and who do you intend to force to be the laboratory subjects of this new ideology, which is not "pragmatism" but rather a quite literal "scientific socialism?" (Which you really should remember from your anarchist phase is meaningless, as human beings are not controlled variables).

No, it's not an ideology. I'm not forcing it on anyone. I just watch the world and see what ends up being more successful then promote that until something better is found.
There's nothing that even attempts to simulate science about that. Well, climate science maybe, but that doesn't count.
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3/3/2010 11:09:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 11:03:02 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

I do not put any blind faith in nor adhere to in any way any ideology.
The only people who claim to put faith in ideology are theocrats.

Not from what it looks like.
?

Everyone is like a zombie to their ideology it seems.


I think the most viable should be tested
Where is the laboratory, and who do you intend to force to be the laboratory subjects of this new ideology, which is not "pragmatism" but rather a quite literal "scientific socialism?" (Which you really should remember from your anarchist phase is meaningless, as human beings are not controlled variables).

No, it's not an ideology. I'm not forcing it on anyone. I just watch the world and see what ends up being more successful then promote that until something better is found.
There's nothing that even attempts to simulate science about that. Well, climate science maybe, but that doesn't count.

Sure it's science, observable and testable, the critical and objective deduction of reason based on physical evidence. I'm not championing some savior of a system anymore, it's all open-ended. There isn't really anything left to criticize. I've actually found recently that I can get along with a lot more people. It's pretty cool.
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3/3/2010 11:11:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 11:09:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:03:02 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

I do not put any blind faith in nor adhere to in any way any ideology.
The only people who claim to put faith in ideology are theocrats.

Not from what it looks like.
?

Everyone is like a zombie to their ideology it seems.
Gonna back that up or do you have faith in it?

There's nothing that even attempts to simulate science about that. Well, climate science maybe, but that doesn't count.

Sure it's science, observable and testable
http://www.sciencebuddies.org...
Head on back to science 101 with all the climate scientists who need it.
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3/3/2010 11:12:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If you get nothing else from that link, make sure you get "DO AN EXPERIMENT" and "CONTROL YOUR VARIABLES."
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3/3/2010 11:13:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 11:09:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:


Everyone is like a zombie to their ideology it seems.

speak for yourself!

some people actually think long and hard before deciding what they believe rather than embodying different ideals weekly...
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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3/3/2010 11:15:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 11:13:49 PM, belle wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:09:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:


Everyone is like a zombie to their ideology it seems.

speak for yourself!

some people actually think long and hard before deciding what they believe rather than embodying different ideals weekly...

Ooh, burn.
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3/3/2010 11:17:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 11:11:52 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:09:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:03:02 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

I do not put any blind faith in nor adhere to in any way any ideology.
The only people who claim to put faith in ideology are theocrats.

Not from what it looks like.
?

Everyone is like a zombie to their ideology it seems.
Gonna back that up or do you have faith in it?

I obviously can't get in the head of anyone, that's why I said it "looks" and it "seems", because I know I don't know. But what it looks like is that everyone is always preoccupied with backing up their system and always defending their point with fierceness, rather than just sharing ideas to come to a least biased conclusion as possible.

There's nothing that even attempts to simulate science about that. Well, climate science maybe, but that doesn't count.

Sure it's science, observable and testable
http://www.sciencebuddies.org...
Head on back to science 101 with all the climate scientists who need it.

Yes, that is exactly my view of politics. It's my entire philosophy of life.
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3/3/2010 11:18:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think 16 would probably be a good voting age. From my experiences, that's about when most people begin becoming serious about politics. Besides, 16 year olds do contribute to society through work and stuff so they should have a say in how society is run. What really bothers me is when people make uneducated votes. It would be better to have educated votes from young people rather than uneducated votes from older people. Like most people on this site, for example would be fully capable of making educated votes.
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3/3/2010 11:18:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 11:15:32 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:13:49 PM, belle wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:09:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:


Everyone is like a zombie to their ideology it seems.

speak for yourself!

some people actually think long and hard before deciding what they believe rather than embodying different ideals weekly...

Ooh, burn.

So changing my mind about things is a sign of closed-mindedness?

hhmm...
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3/3/2010 11:21:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/3/2010 11:18:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:15:32 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:13:49 PM, belle wrote:
At 3/3/2010 11:09:29 PM, FREEDO wrote:


Everyone is like a zombie to their ideology it seems.

speak for yourself!

some people actually think long and hard before deciding what they believe rather than embodying different ideals weekly...

Ooh, burn.

So changing my mind about things is a sign of closed-mindedness?

hhmm...

i never said you were closed minded! i implied that you tend to become a zombie to an ideology for a bit then give it up for another. which is fine, it just seems to lead you to think that everyone is equally glib about adapting beliefs...
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...