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3/4/2010 10:04:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/4/2010 10:03:02 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What is your opinion of France?

My friend wants to travel there and she plans on dragging me along. Sure I don't mind too much though. France does have fascinating history.
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3/4/2010 10:10:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
France is ranked by the International Living Magazine's 2010 Quality of Life Index as number one, that is, having the highest living conditions in the world.

And by the World Health Organization as having the number one best healthcare system in the world.

Are these reliable sources?
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3/4/2010 10:15:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Let's see, employees of intergovernmental organizations talking about government health care.

And International living rates, among other things, Canada, as a 100 on "freedom," which is just plain laughable to anyone dragged before a human rights commission to explain their political speech.
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3/4/2010 10:22:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your point of view) not everyone is naked. but i have heard that paris, at least, smells terribly. then again my sex crazed friend absolutely adored his stay there, so there must be something to those rumors.

as for their quality of living... was doing a report on heathcare last year and read that thousands died in a heat wave because their health service was overrun... :/

then again they supposedly have free nanny service for new mothers (thank you michael moore!) and their national debt is something like 70% of GDP... so... you know... theres good and bad.

also if you read french history its ridiculous! lol... they really don't tell you about the really interesting parts in school, at least not in california...
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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3/4/2010 10:24:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/4/2010 10:22:32 PM, belle wrote:


also if you read french history its ridiculous! lol... they really don't tell you about the really interesting parts in school, at least not in california...

Like what?
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3/4/2010 10:34:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I also heard from the magical glowing box in my living room that they have the most politically active population around. Constantly protesting the government.
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3/4/2010 10:36:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
that makes sense considering how many government services they have... you kind of have to fight if you want adequate funds dedicated to your pet cause
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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3/4/2010 10:37:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/4/2010 10:34:03 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I also heard from the magical glowing box in my living room that they have the most politically active population around. Constantly protesting the government.

Maybe if you count rioting as valid protesting. :P
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3/4/2010 10:46:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
lol, my girlfriend said her Finance teacher lived in France for 10 years and hates france.

he see's the French as a bunch of lazy, snobby, racists... and rants about'em every once in a while..

Today she said he did so for about 20 minutes and a French kid left the room crying :)
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3/4/2010 10:48:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/4/2010 10:46:40 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
lol, my girlfriend said her Finance teacher lived in France for 10 years and hates france.

he see's the French as a bunch of lazy, snobby, racists... and rants about'em every once in a while..

Today she said he did so for about 20 minutes and a French kid left the room crying :)

Hahaha. How does he claim they're racist?
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3/4/2010 10:50:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/4/2010 10:48:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 3/4/2010 10:46:40 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
lol, my girlfriend said her Finance teacher lived in France for 10 years and hates france.

he see's the French as a bunch of lazy, snobby, racists... and rants about'em every once in a while..

Today she said he did so for about 20 minutes and a French kid left the room crying :)

Hahaha. How does he claim they're racist?

He said that none of his muslim students could get good jobs there pretty much no matter how good they were.

And that even the few he could hook up with contacts didn't get far.
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3/5/2010 10:53:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
From what I know of France, it's a nice place to live, but it's also scary politically.

Healthcare "socialism" aside, the civil service riots almost every week, shutting down vital services and blocking traffic. The government, both regional and Sarkozy-Fillion, rarely help avoid these situations, because they're Gaullist, which is another term for what are essentially European conservatives, or in other words, welfare-loving Christian-Democratic-like neo-conservatives without the imperial warfare attitude. France is also hyper-secular, meaning that you can't even where a Christian cross in school.

A friend of mine said that Sarkozy scared her more than Bush, in terms of the reputation she got of him while living in Paris and out in the countryside. Apparently he's a near-dictator. The opposition, namely the Socialist Party, are divided and distracted. The UMP has a near monopoly on governance in the current situation. The best opposition to Sarkozy are France's regional governments, all controlled by Socialists, though they tend to be a-holes as well, from what I'm told.

In other words, it's a country you'd probably rather to visit.
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3/5/2010 10:56:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/5/2010 10:53:24 AM, Volkov wrote:
From what I know of France, it's a nice place to live, but it's also scary politically.

Healthcare "socialism" aside, the civil service riots almost every week, shutting down vital services and blocking traffic. The government, both regional and Sarkozy-Fillion, rarely help avoid these situations, because they're Gaullist, which is another term for what are essentially European conservatives, or in other words, welfare-loving Christian-Democratic-like neo-conservatives without the imperial warfare attitude. France is also hyper-secular, meaning that you can't even where a Christian cross in school.

A friend of mine said that Sarkozy scared her more than Bush, in terms of the reputation she got of him while living in Paris and out in the countryside. Apparently he's a near-dictator.

EXCEPT for the fact that when he tried to institute the reforms of Employment restrictions that he Ran on... He was rejected by all the ridiculous french people :)

The opposition, namely the Socialist Party, are divided and distracted. The UMP has a near monopoly on governance in the current situation. The best opposition to Sarkozy are France's regional governments, all controlled by Socialists, though they tend to be a-holes as well, from what I'm told.

In other words, it's a country you'd probably rather to visit.
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3/5/2010 10:59:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/5/2010 10:56:35 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
EXCEPT for the fact that when he tried to institute the reforms of Employment restrictions that he Ran on... He was rejected by all the ridiculous french people :)

Yeah, I should have noted as well; Sarkozy is a near dictator, but the French are also supportive of it, and do the same thing en masse. It's an interesting interplay of power.
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3/5/2010 12:50:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I visited Paris last year. The French seemed nice enough, though they seemed easily offended.

Basically, it was Sunday, and me and about 6 other guys were ambling around the neighbourhood we were living in as part of a 5 day trip where we stayed with a French family to try and learn French, which miraculously failed. Then, a group of 3 smoking 16 year olds walked past us. The group split between those who wanted to try their non-existent chances and me and 2 others who would rather try the shop again to see if it had opened. Anyhow, half an hour later we regrouped and we suddenly notice a group of Goths about 15 metres behind us. Nothing major we thought, considering it was the weekend.

Eventually they started shouting things at us, in French, which devolved into the crudest insults from both sides ( I can only guess for the French, but they didn't sound particularly pleasant). Eventually my friend in his infinite wisdom shot them the bird which resulted in an open mouthed gawk by a man turning the corner on his bike. This led to us diving within the housing estate, where we soon became trapped. The end seemed quite near as one carried an extremely long pole.

Then, a guy in my group "stood up" to them. My mind imagined him being creamed while I attempted my chance at another escape route. Thankfully, a nearby mother diffused the situation, with them saying "Uggghh, we just wanted to play football". Yeah, sure. However the same girls talked to us which was plus point to us.

So the French youth didn't leave an exactly favourable impression on me.
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3/5/2010 12:51:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/5/2010 12:50:44 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Then, a group of 3 smoking hot 16 year old girls walked past us. The group split between those who wanted
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3/5/2010 1:03:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/5/2010 12:52:48 PM, Volkov wrote:
Lol Panda, I love European rivalries. Did they call you Brits? xD

Maybe, I don't understand the French for "Brit roast beef f***head"
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