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Does Barack Obama despise America?

AdamEsk
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8/22/2014 4:09:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At first this statement was just something vindictive Republicans would say because they were sore losers, but now we are 6 years into the Obama administration, and he is sending some pretty strong signals. After the recent occurrences in the Middle East, it seems as if the man isn't even trying to hide the very anti-American mindset he has been accused of. I want to hear any body else out there that is wondering the very same thing. Whether you are left or right, I imagine people from both sides are beginning to think the same thing.
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8/22/2014 6:43:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/22/2014 4:09:31 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At first this statement was just something vindictive Republicans would say because they were sore losers, but now we are 6 years into the Obama administration, and he is sending some pretty strong signals. After the recent occurrences in the Middle East, it seems as if the man isn't even trying to hide the very anti-American mindset he has been accused of. I want to hear any body else out there that is wondering the very same thing. Whether you are left or right, I imagine people from both sides are beginning to think the same thing.

I think I saw him wear a flagpin.
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8/22/2014 10:43:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Asking that question seriously is an indication that no intelligent discussion will follow.

And if you're still wondering, that's a no.
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8/22/2014 11:02:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/22/2014 10:43:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
Asking that question seriously is an indication that no intelligent discussion will follow.

And if you're still wondering, that's a no.

Saying "despise" is a slight exaggeration, but it's apparent he doesn't give a crap about the country he's piloting (which for the President of the United States might as well mean he despises it), and he's not even trying to hide it anymore. I'm more than willing to give evidence and make this forum more intelligent for your taste.
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8/23/2014 8:37:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/22/2014 11:02:25 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 8/22/2014 10:43:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
Asking that question seriously is an indication that no intelligent discussion will follow.

And if you're still wondering, that's a no.

Saying "despise" is a slight exaggeration, but it's apparent he doesn't give a crap about the country he's piloting (which for the President of the United States might as well mean he despises it), and he's not even trying to hide it anymore. I'm more than willing to give evidence and make this forum more intelligent for your taste.

The office of the President is one of, if not the most complicated and "no-win situation full" jobs in the world. It's one thing to say that you don't understand what he is trying to do, it's another to assume that you do especially when your assumption requires that he not care about the country that he swore to protect and serve, and especially considering the fact that you don't have access to a tenth of the information that he does.

So if you have evidence to overcome this fact, please share.
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8/23/2014 10:15:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 8:37:34 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/22/2014 11:02:25 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 8/22/2014 10:43:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
Asking that question seriously is an indication that no intelligent discussion will follow.

And if you're still wondering, that's a no.

Saying "despise" is a slight exaggeration, but it's apparent he doesn't give a crap about the country he's piloting (which for the President of the United States might as well mean he despises it), and he's not even trying to hide it anymore. I'm more than willing to give evidence and make this forum more intelligent for your taste.

The office of the President is one of, if not the most complicated and "no-win situation full" jobs in the world. It's one thing to say that you don't understand what he is trying to do, it's another to assume that you do especially when your assumption requires that he not care about the country that he swore to protect and serve, and especially considering the fact that you don't have access to a tenth of the information that he does.

So if you have evidence to overcome this fact, please share.

On top of this, a presidential election is incredibly exhausting not to mention the job itself. That's a stretch to assume someone would work that hard for a country he despises.

You could legitimately say he despises the existence of policies that support exceptional people at the expense of handicapped people, but the entire country as a whole?
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8/23/2014 12:04:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Oh it's very clear he doesn't respect or acknowledge the values this country was built on. Any power hungry individual who has the connections and charisma to woo half the nation with the word "Hope" can find himself in the Oval Office. The constitution was constructed specifically to keep these presidents in check, and Obama seems to shrug that off and run things his own way. In my opinion, what this President has done in his administration will open the door for a smarter, more evil dictator to follow. If Obama truly cared about this country, not only would he respect it's governmental structure, but he would focus more on our position on a global level rather than condone this barrier being built between the very citizens he is supposed to lead.
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8/23/2014 12:07:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 12:04:11 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Oh it's very clear he doesn't respect or acknowledge the values this country was built on. Any power hungry individual who has the connections and charisma to woo half the nation with the word "Hope" can find himself in the Oval Office. The constitution was constructed specifically to keep these presidents in check, and Obama seems to shrug that off and run things his own way. In my opinion, what this President has done in his administration will open the door for a smarter, more evil dictator to follow. If Obama truly cared about this country, not only would he respect it's governmental structure, but he would focus more on our position on a global level rather than condone this barrier being built between the very citizens he is supposed to lead.

Isn't it fair to say that Bush opened the door for him?
And that Congress did, and continues to allow it?

But, you are speaking in generalities, so I have no idea what specifically you are talking about.
My work here is, finally, done.
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8/23/2014 2:42:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 12:04:11 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Oh it's very clear he doesn't respect or acknowledge the values this country was built on. Any power hungry individual who has the connections and charisma to woo half the nation with the word "Hope" can find himself in the Oval Office. The constitution was constructed specifically to keep these presidents in check, and Obama seems to shrug that off and run things his own way. In my opinion, what this President has done in his administration will open the door for a smarter, more evil dictator to follow. If Obama truly cared about this country, not only would he respect it's governmental structure, but he would focus more on our position on a global level rather than condone this barrier being built between the very citizens he is supposed to lead.
Obama gets chewed out for doing nothing. When he does something, he gets chewed out for being a "dictator". When he uses executive orders,which have existed for more than a century, and used much more extensively by previous presidents, he gets yelled out for "side-stepping" the Constitution. When he doesn't, he gets called a lame-duck president.

What do you want from him?
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8/23/2014 5:21:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 2:42:16 PM, Morality wrote:
At 8/23/2014 12:04:11 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Oh it's very clear he doesn't respect or acknowledge the values this country was built on. Any power hungry individual who has the connections and charisma to woo half the nation with the word "Hope" can find himself in the Oval Office. The constitution was constructed specifically to keep these presidents in check, and Obama seems to shrug that off and run things his own way. In my opinion, what this President has done in his administration will open the door for a smarter, more evil dictator to follow. If Obama truly cared about this country, not only would he respect it's governmental structure, but he would focus more on our position on a global level rather than condone this barrier being built between the very citizens he is supposed to lead.
Obama gets chewed out for doing nothing. When he does something, he gets chewed out for being a "dictator". When he uses executive orders,which have existed for more than a century, and used much more extensively by previous presidents, he gets yelled out for "side-stepping" the Constitution. When he doesn't, he gets called a lame-duck president.

What do you want from him?
I'm not in 100% agreement with the far right. They do critique him for both doing too much and doing too little (which isn't any help), but I personally think he needs to undo every unconstitutional act he's made since he came into office. The left doesn't realize how big of a deal these little moves are, and I would like them to be erased. I also believe he is too silent when it comes to ISIS and any other nation/organization that challenges his leadership. These terrorists are set on sticking their thumb in our eyes, and he appears to be totally okay with that. When a fellow American is treated like James Foley was, Obama could at least act like he is enraged by these monsters and actually demonstrate that we won't tolerate it instead of giving a quick speech and going back to the golf course. What does that tell Foley's parents and all the other angry Americans waiting for some leadership?
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8/23/2014 6:08:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 5:21:15 PM, AdamEsk wrote:

I'm not in 100% agreement with the far right. They do critique him for both doing too much and doing too little (which isn't any help), but I personally think he needs to undo every unconstitutional act he's made since he came into office.
Define unconstitutional, because every right guaranteed by the Constitutions has been proven by count to have the capacity to be limited.
The left doesn't realize how big of a deal these little moves are, and I would like them to be erased.
FDR did far, far more than Obama has, and the US never turned into a dictatorship.
I also believe he is too silent when it comes to ISIS and any other nation/organization that challenges his leadership. These terrorists are set on sticking their thumb in our eyes, and he appears to be totally okay with that.
Because we just got out of a very, very unpopular war in Iraq, and should he do anymore than airstrikes and special operations, he will get lambasted by the right for mishandling(no matter how well he does), and lambasted from the left for getting involved period.
When a fellow American is treated like James Foley was, Obama could at least act like he is enraged by these monsters and actually demonstrate that we won't tolerate it instead of giving a quick speech and going back to the golf course.
He was a journalist in a known dangerous warzone. We didn't invade North Korea when tourist were kidnapped, along with many other instances where the abduction and execution of an American national did not escalate into full-blown war.
What does that tell Foley's parents and all the other angry Americans waiting for some leadership?
That I'm sorry for their loss. They haven't been demanding that we get boots on the ground.
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8/23/2014 7:00:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't think we even need boots on the ground. All the "Sean Hannities" out there demanding boots on the ground just want to contradict Obama. I think we have advanced enough military equipment to simply carpet bomb ISIS command posts/munition posts. We know where a good amount are located. In fact, I read they are located out in the middle of the desert making it very very easy to cause enough devastation to send them back into hiding without causing civilian casualties. I'm assuming they are stationed in such isolation because they are so sure Obama won't do anything. Obama seems to turn to "pin prick" tactics far too quickly instead of actually using LGBs on ISIS' critical points. This is Obama's chance to call their bluff and earn some respect.
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8/23/2014 10:01:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 7:00:01 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
I don't think we even need boots on the ground. All the "Sean Hannities" out there demanding boots on the ground just want to contradict Obama. I think we have advanced enough military equipment to simply carpet bomb ISIS command posts/munition posts.
You can't carpet bomb someone without killing as many innocents as ISIS has. It is reserved for total war, or for incidents where civilian casualties are not considered, for a reason.
We know where a good amount are located. In fact, I read they are located out in the middle of the desert making it very very easy to cause enough devastation to send them back into hiding without causing civilian casualties.
Not enough to push them back. W have precision strikes but you are underestimating their ability to conceal and defend. Obama already ordered air-strikes.
I'm assuming they are stationed in such isolation because they are so sure Obama won't do anything. Obama seems to turn to "pin prick" tactics far too quickly instead of actually using LGBs on ISIS' critical points. This is Obama's chance to call their bluff and earn some respect.
You also realize that weakening ISIS also strengthens Assad? He's stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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8/24/2014 9:47:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 5:21:15 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
I'm not in 100% agreement with the far right. They do critique him for both doing too much and doing too little (which isn't any help), but I personally think he needs to undo every unconstitutional act he's made since he came into office. The left doesn't realize how big of a deal these little moves are, and I would like them to be erased. I also believe he is too silent when it comes to ISIS and any other nation/organization that challenges his leadership. These terrorists are set on sticking their thumb in our eyes, and he appears to be totally okay with that. When a fellow American is treated like James Foley was, Obama could at least act like he is enraged by these monsters and actually demonstrate that we won't tolerate it instead of giving a quick speech and going back to the golf course. What does that tell Foley's parents and all the other angry Americans waiting for some leadership?

This is exactly what I was talking about. Every single argument you make relies on dishonest exaggerations, and speaking another language. 90 airstrikes against a foreign organization does not fit under the definition of what it means to be "totally ok" with them.

Please present your arguments in English.
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8/26/2014 4:00:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
In my opinion, Yes I think he does. Everything he does is intended to destroy everything that made this country great and turn it into a weak socialist sht hole.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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8/26/2014 4:05:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/23/2014 8:37:34 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 8/22/2014 11:02:25 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 8/22/2014 10:43:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
Asking that question seriously is an indication that no intelligent discussion will follow.

And if you're still wondering, that's a no.

Saying "despise" is a slight exaggeration, but it's apparent he doesn't give a crap about the country he's piloting (which for the President of the United States might as well mean he despises it), and he's not even trying to hide it anymore. I'm more than willing to give evidence and make this forum more intelligent for your taste.

The office of the President is one of, if not the most complicated and "no-win situation full" jobs in the world. It's one thing to say that you don't understand what he is trying to do, it's another to assume that you do especially when your assumption requires that he not care about the country that he swore to protect and serve, and especially considering the fact that you don't have access to a tenth of the information that he does.

So if you have evidence to overcome this fact, please share.

Perfectly said.
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8/26/2014 4:09:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/26/2014 4:00:45 PM, sadolite wrote:
In my opinion, Yes I think he does. Everything he does is intended to destroy everything that made this country great and turn it into a weak socialist sht hole.

Yeah, because that's what every President wants their legacy to be.

You're far too willful in your ignorance and far to hateful in your rhetoric to be anything but a biased individual.

I wish your beautiful family the best, shame we live in such a socialist hellscape where you can only take one lovely beach vacation a year. Thanks Obama.

Seriously. You're head is buried. I'll let you figure out where. Hope the smell is bearable up there.
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8/26/2014 9:02:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/26/2014 4:09:21 PM, The_Immortal_Emris wrote:
At 8/26/2014 4:00:45 PM, sadolite wrote:
In my opinion, Yes I think he does. Everything he does is intended to destroy everything that made this country great and turn it into a weak socialist sht hole.

Yeah, because that's what every President wants their legacy to be.

You're far too willful in your ignorance and far to hateful in your rhetoric to be anything but a biased individual.

I wish your beautiful family the best, shame we live in such a socialist hellscape where you can only take one lovely beach vacation a year. Thanks Obama.

Seriously. You're head is buried. I'll let you figure out where. Hope the smell is bearable up there.

Name one thing that he has done that is pro business or pro capitolist . I live two miles from the beach I am so over the beach. Boring. I also know how things used to be and how they are now. America has become a govt reliant and dependant lazy low information collection of idiots. People just give away their rights and liberties for the smallest false promise of security. You want security go to prison, They will take care of you cradle to grave. All you have to do is give up your freedom and there still won't be any guarantees. No sir I have a very well informed view of what's going on in this country and it isn't even remotely pro business or pro capitalist by even the smallest stretch of the imagination. The only thing govt does is grow for the sake of more govt and more control. But please enlighten me as to how Obama has made it so much easier for me and everyone else to be self reliant and not rely on govt for hand outs to pay for our daily sustenance. What if anything do you have to do to collect a check from the govt other than fill out a form and make up some bogus income report.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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8/27/2014 8:51:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/26/2014 9:02:19 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/26/2014 4:09:21 PM, The_Immortal_Emris wrote:
At 8/26/2014 4:00:45 PM, sadolite wrote:
In my opinion, Yes I think he does. Everything he does is intended to destroy everything that made this country great and turn it into a weak socialist sht hole.

Yeah, because that's what every President wants their legacy to be.

You're far too willful in your ignorance and far to hateful in your rhetoric to be anything but a biased individual.

I wish your beautiful family the best, shame we live in such a socialist hellscape where you can only take one lovely beach vacation a year. Thanks Obama.

Seriously. You're head is buried. I'll let you figure out where. Hope the smell is bearable up there.

Name one thing that he has done that is pro business or pro capitolist . I live two miles from the beach I am so over the beach. Boring. I also know how things used to be and how they are now. America has become a govt reliant and dependant lazy low information collection of idiots. People just give away their rights and liberties for the smallest false promise of security. You want security go to prison, They will take care of you cradle to grave. All you have to do is give up your freedom and there still won't be any guarantees. No sir I have a very well informed view of what's going on in this country and it isn't even remotely pro business or pro capitalist by even the smallest stretch of the imagination. The only thing govt does is grow for the sake of more govt and more control. But please enlighten me as to how Obama has made it so much easier for me and everyone else to be self reliant and not rely on govt for hand outs to pay for our daily sustenance. What if anything do you have to do to collect a check from the govt other than fill out a form and make up some bogus income report.

TLDR: You hate brown people and think they are lazy, we get it.
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8/27/2014 9:24:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/22/2014 4:09:31 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At first this statement was just something vindictive Republicans would say because they were sore losers, but now we are 6 years into the Obama administration, and he is sending some pretty strong signals. After the recent occurrences in the Middle East, it seems as if the man isn't even trying to hide the very anti-American mindset he has been accused of. I want to hear any body else out there that is wondering the very same thing. Whether you are left or right, I imagine people from both sides are beginning to think the same thing.

Your imagination is running wild. The right thinks Obama hates the US, but you have to remember that is their job. The opposite party has to paint the Prez as evil because you have to manipulate your base to go out an vote.

Take this little statement and sock it away. Pull it out in about 50 years and see if it was true:

You will hear the words "impeachment" used for every president who holds office in your life time.

That is not because they have impeachable offenses either.
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8/27/2014 3:46:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/27/2014 8:51:15 AM, The_Immortal_Emris wrote:
At 8/26/2014 9:02:19 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 8/26/2014 4:09:21 PM, The_Immortal_Emris wrote:
At 8/26/2014 4:00:45 PM, sadolite wrote:
In my opinion, Yes I think he does. Everything he does is intended to destroy everything that made this country great and turn it into a weak socialist sht hole.

Yeah, because that's what every President wants their legacy to be.

You're far too willful in your ignorance and far to hateful in your rhetoric to be anything but a biased individual.

I wish your beautiful family the best, shame we live in such a socialist hellscape where you can only take one lovely beach vacation a year. Thanks Obama.

Seriously. You're head is buried. I'll let you figure out where. Hope the smell is bearable up there.

Name one thing that he has done that is pro business or pro capitolist . I live two miles from the beach I am so over the beach. Boring. I also know how things used to be and how they are now. America has become a govt reliant and dependant lazy low information collection of idiots. People just give away their rights and liberties for the smallest false promise of security. You want security go to prison, They will take care of you cradle to grave. All you have to do is give up your freedom and there still won't be any guarantees. No sir I have a very well informed view of what's going on in this country and it isn't even remotely pro business or pro capitalist by even the smallest stretch of the imagination. The only thing govt does is grow for the sake of more govt and more control. But please enlighten me as to how Obama has made it so much easier for me and everyone else to be self reliant and not rely on govt for hand outs to pay for our daily sustenance. What if anything do you have to do to collect a check from the govt other than fill out a form and make up some bogus income report.

TLDR: You hate brown people and think they are lazy, we get it.

A typical, can't come up with a coherent response so play the race card. How utterly pathetic.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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8/27/2014 4:06:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
TLDR: You hate brown people and think they are lazy, we get it.
You might as well go join Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with that attitude.
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8/27/2014 4:08:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/27/2014 4:06:29 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
TLDR: You hate brown people and think they are lazy, we get it.
You might as well go join Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with that attitude.

Except you won't be paid as much as an apologist for Blacks.
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8/28/2014 11:59:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 8/27/2014 4:08:41 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 8/27/2014 4:06:29 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
TLDR: You hate brown people and think they are lazy, we get it.
You might as well go join Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson with that attitude.

Except you won't be paid as much as an apologist for Blacks.

What is an "apologist for blacks"?
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BLACK LIVES MATTER!