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ISIS, and What Should be Done to Stop It

YYW
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8/30/2014 8:22:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
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The laptop of a chemistry student from Tunisia who travelled to Syria was seized. On it, information for how to make biological weapons including how to weaponize the bubonic plague and use it against innocent people.

Students of political science, globalization and security studies will all be wise to note that the conventional wisdom does not rank the threat from biological weapons very high because of the risk involved to the perpetrator. Files on the laptop found detailed the targeting of Western food supplies and water infrastructure with weaponized biological agents.

Essentially, because whatever biological agent that could be used against enemies also exposes the user and his faction to a high level degree of risk. So, because it would be irrational to do something to harm another that also risks harming yourself and the people you care about, Western security experts haven't really been all that concerned.

ISIS doesn't care about harming itself, it cares about hurting the west as efficiently as possible. This is why intervention by the United States on a much broader scale is necessary to not just deter and degrade, but to destroy ISIS, its members and its benefactors.

The United Kingdom has adopted a policy which states that anyone who leaves the United Kingdom to fight with ISIS in Syria or Iraq can be stripped of citizenship whenever the UK government learns of that person's affiliation with ISIS. The United States should follow a similar policy, to mitigate the risk of internal threats.

The available evince shows that the kind of risk that ISIS presents to the United States is far greater than what Al Qaeda did, even after 9/11. The United States and it allies must coordinate to strategically eliminate ISIS, by any and all means necessary.
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8/30/2014 8:27:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It's simply easier to spin away terror strikes as just bumps in the road like Benghazi instead of mounting a real war. Politically better.
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8/30/2014 8:29:06 PM
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It should also be noted that ISIS beheads children for refusing to convert to Islam. These people are worse than Nazis.
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8/31/2014 7:47:45 PM
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At 8/30/2014 8:29:06 PM, YYW wrote:
It should also be noted that ISIS beheads children for refusing to convert to Islam. These people are worse than Nazis.

I wouldn't go that far.
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8/31/2014 8:03:05 PM
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Public executions and burning their supporters should do the trick.
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8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM
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At 8/30/2014 8:29:06 PM, YYW wrote:
It should also be noted that ISIS beheads children for refusing to convert to Islam. These people are worse than Nazis.

Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.
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8/31/2014 10:47:46 PM
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At 8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 8/30/2014 8:29:06 PM, YYW wrote:
It should also be noted that ISIS beheads children for refusing to convert to Islam. These people are worse than Nazis.

Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.

Replace "jews" with "all non-Sunni fundamentalists" and "gas chambers" with "beheading" and you've got ISIS.
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8/31/2014 10:49:51 PM
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At 8/31/2014 10:47:46 PM, YYW wrote:
At 8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 8/30/2014 8:29:06 PM, YYW wrote:
It should also be noted that ISIS beheads children for refusing to convert to Islam. These people are worse than Nazis.

Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.

Replace "jews" with "all non-Sunni fundamentalists" and "gas chambers" with "beheading" and you've got ISIS.

The difference lies in the fact that you can convert to Sunni. You can't convert to the Aryan race.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
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9/1/2014 7:38:32 AM
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At 8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM, SamStevens wrote:
Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.
Slavs were regarded as Aryan. Not sure why you think otherwise.
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9/1/2014 9:16:54 AM
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At 9/1/2014 7:38:32 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM, SamStevens wrote:
Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.
Slavs were regarded as Aryan. Not sure why you think otherwise.

After reading some WWII books, they were included in the persecuted peoples.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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9/1/2014 9:24:07 AM
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At 9/1/2014 7:38:32 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM, SamStevens wrote:
Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.
Slavs were regarded as Aryan. Not sure why you think otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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9/1/2014 11:46:11 PM
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At 9/1/2014 9:16:54 AM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/1/2014 7:38:32 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM, SamStevens wrote:
Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.
Slavs were regarded as Aryan. Not sure why you think otherwise.

After reading some WWII books, they were included in the persecuted peoples.
This was due to the communist-leaning ideology of Slavs like Russians (and other political and historical reasons), not to mention for propaganda purposes, and not because they were deemed sub-human like the Roma or Jews. Germans were placed above everyone else undoubtedly, but the Slavs were regarded part of the Aryan people. It is apparent particularly because even Slavs were part of an alliance with the Nazis, such as the Croats.
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9/2/2014 3:02:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
There is a strong argument that the US should not take lead in this. It only adds to our enemies, creates helplessness with our Muslim allies, and removes responsibility from people who have more skin in the game.

The plan to cure the world from ISIS:

1. Do take action to at least get our tanks and weapons ISIS holds incapacitated.

2. Arm the Kurds to the level where they have superior weaponry over ISIS and have them take lead with getting ISIS out of Iraq. We can provide intel and drone support.

3. Let Assad and ISIS fight it out a bit and make a decision later down the road of what to do in Syria.

Radical Islam can only be contained. It can't be cured until we can partner with mainstream Muslims and convince them that secular governance is the best way. Not holding my breath on that one though.
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9/2/2014 7:01:27 PM
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At 9/1/2014 11:46:11 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/1/2014 9:16:54 AM, SamStevens wrote:
At 9/1/2014 7:38:32 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/31/2014 10:40:07 PM, SamStevens wrote:
Ehh, the Third Reich did worse. Under Hitler's regime, millions of Jews were killed using gas chambers and firing squads. Slavs, mentally ill, and other people who did not fit the Aryan criteria were most likely killed as well.
Slavs were regarded as Aryan. Not sure why you think otherwise.

After reading some WWII books, they were included in the persecuted peoples.
This was due to the communist-leaning ideology of Slavs like Russians (and other political and historical reasons), not to mention for propaganda purposes, and not because they were deemed sub-human like the Roma or Jews. Germans were placed above everyone else undoubtedly, but the Slavs were regarded part of the Aryan people. It is apparent particularly because even Slavs were part of an alliance with the Nazis, such as the Croats.

You have proven your case.
"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."