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charleslb
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9/19/2014 2:52:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 12:13:37 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Scotland decided to remain with the UK by a measure of 55%.

Thoughts?

http://time.com...

http://www.theguardian.com...

If that's the will of the majority of the Scottish people then so be it.
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9/19/2014 7:10:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 4:35:50 AM, apb4y wrote:
Predictable from the beginning. If you really want to be independent, you need open rebellion.

They couldn't afford to move out of the UK's basement.
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9/19/2014 7:16:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Wow, that was pretty damn close.

It would also be interesting to know if they'd actually become independent after the vote anyways.

I mean how long has it been since Peurto Rico voted to become a state, and it remains still not a state.
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9/19/2014 8:24:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 4:35:50 AM, apb4y wrote:
Predictable from the beginning. If you really want to be independent, you need open rebellion.

That sounds a bit gung-ho about violence.
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9/19/2014 8:25:14 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 7:16:49 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Wow, that was pretty damn close.

It would also be interesting to know if they'd actually become independent after the vote anyways.

Had it succeeded? I think they'd have tried. But I don't think they're ready for independence.

I mean how long has it been since Peurto Rico voted to become a state, and it remains still not a state.

Well, the process for getting admitted to a country is different from the process of leaving one.
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9/19/2014 10:08:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I was unsurprised when my Guardian app informed me that independence lost out by a 55% vote against. After all, tumblr user 'machotrouts' did a survey of around 600 or so Grindr users in Scotland on their thoughts and opinions regarding the issue. The results were spot on. From this (http://machotrouts.tumblr.com...) post on his findings:

"So there you have it. When only decisive opinions are taken into account, Grindr votes NO to independence, with a 54-46% split. If this is reflected in the results of tomorrow"s referendum, we can assume the headless torsos have taken over Scotland and there"s nothing you can do to stop it."

The headless torsos have indeed taken over.
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9/19/2014 10:10:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 10:08:41 AM, socialpinko wrote:
I was unsurprised when my Guardian app informed me that independence lost out by a 55% vote against. After all, tumblr user 'machotrouts' did a survey of around 600 or so Grindr users in Scotland on their thoughts and opinions regarding the issue. The results were spot on. From this (http://machotrouts.tumblr.com...) post on his findings:

"So there you have it. When only decisive opinions are taken into account, Grindr votes NO to independence, with a 54-46% split. If this is reflected in the results of tomorrow"s referendum, we can assume the headless torsos have taken over Scotland and there"s nothing you can do to stop it."

The headless torsos have indeed taken over.

lol
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9/19/2014 10:13:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 12:13:37 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Scotland decided to remain with the UK by a measure of 55%.

Thoughts?

http://time.com...

http://www.theguardian.com...

Scottish independence would be calamitous for both Scotland and what remained of the UK. It is good that they voted no.

I think the Liberals thought that, from the start, there was no way this actually went through but they understood that if they didn't allow the vote, it would lead to greater internal derision. I think they also understood that even if they were wrong, Scotland's leaving would have a catastrophic impact on Labour, which even then would at least give them something to show.

I take huge issue with that referendum even going to the polls, but that's another issue. I'm glad Scotland remains part of the UK.
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9/19/2014 10:35:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I also predicted from the beginning that they would fail.. technically anyway. Most of the winner in very close voting campaign started off as a significant underdog but show impressive progress along the way until the election day. Scotland vote started off as close rival to UK but gradually worse through the course of event (by small margin - but still in close competition, every margins counted)
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9/19/2014 2:33:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 2:52:35 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 9/19/2014 12:13:37 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Scotland decided to remain with the UK by a measure of 55%.

Thoughts?

http://time.com...

http://www.theguardian.com...

If that's the will of the majority of the Scottish people then so be it.

Although, given the significant erosion of the UK's social safety net they may before long live to rue their decision. That is, they very well may find themselves asking the disgruntled question "What specifically is the advantage that we're getting out of remaining a part of a system that heartlessly expects us all, more and more, to fend for ourselves as 'rugged individualists'? What exactly is supposed to be the appeal of an increasingly Americanized system that doesn't recognize its moral responsibility to give the slightest damn about our well-being?" Yes, the majority of the Scottish electorate may not currently care that Robert the Bruce and bravehearted William Wallace are turning over in their respective graves, but give them a few more years of "permanent austerity" David Cameron style, and perhaps we'll see a turnaround in their attitude.
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9/19/2014 3:01:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 10:13:45 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/19/2014 12:13:37 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Scotland decided to remain with the UK by a measure of 55%.

Thoughts?

http://time.com...

http://www.theguardian.com...

Scottish independence would be calamitous for both Scotland and what remained of the UK. It is good that they voted no.

I think the Liberals thought that, from the start, there was no way this actually went through but they understood that if they didn't allow the vote, it would lead to greater internal derision. I think they also understood that even if they were wrong, Scotland's leaving would have a catastrophic impact on Labour, which even then would at least give them something to show.

I take huge issue with that referendum even going to the polls, but that's another issue. I'm glad Scotland remains part of the UK.

I would've thought that Liberals would've been for Scotland's independence.
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9/19/2014 3:47:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 3:01:07 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 9/19/2014 10:13:45 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/19/2014 12:13:37 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Scotland decided to remain with the UK by a measure of 55%.

Thoughts?

http://time.com...

http://www.theguardian.com...

Scottish independence would be calamitous for both Scotland and what remained of the UK. It is good that they voted no.

I think the Liberals thought that, from the start, there was no way this actually went through but they understood that if they didn't allow the vote, it would lead to greater internal derision. I think they also understood that even if they were wrong, Scotland's leaving would have a catastrophic impact on Labour, which even then would at least give them something to show.

I take huge issue with that referendum even going to the polls, but that's another issue. I'm glad Scotland remains part of the UK.

I would've thought that Liberals would've been for Scotland's independence.

I don't know about "liberals" but socialists such as myself were. See my above reply.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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9/19/2014 4:31:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 2:33:59 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 9/19/2014 2:52:35 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 9/19/2014 12:13:37 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Scotland decided to remain with the UK by a measure of 55%.

Thoughts?

http://time.com...

http://www.theguardian.com...

If that's the will of the majority of the Scottish people then so be it.

Although, given the significant erosion of the UK's social safety net they may before long live to rue their decision. That is, they very well may find themselves asking the disgruntled question "What specifically is the advantage that we're getting out of remaining a part of a system that heartlessly expects us all, more and more, to fend for ourselves as 'rugged individualists'? What exactly is supposed to be the appeal of an increasingly Americanized system that doesn't recognize its moral responsibility to give the slightest damn about our well-being?" Yes, the majority of the Scottish electorate may not currently care that Robert the Bruce and bravehearted William Wallace are turning over in their respective graves, but give them a few more years of "permanent austerity" David Cameron style, and perhaps we'll see a turnaround in their attitude.

Blame the conservative backlash spreading through Europe.
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9/19/2014 5:46:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 3:01:07 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 9/19/2014 10:13:45 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/19/2014 12:13:37 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Scotland decided to remain with the UK by a measure of 55%.

Thoughts?

http://time.com...

http://www.theguardian.com...

Scottish independence would be calamitous for both Scotland and what remained of the UK. It is good that they voted no.

I think the Liberals thought that, from the start, there was no way this actually went through but they understood that if they didn't allow the vote, it would lead to greater internal derision. I think they also understood that even if they were wrong, Scotland's leaving would have a catastrophic impact on Labour, which even then would at least give them something to show.

I take huge issue with that referendum even going to the polls, but that's another issue. I'm glad Scotland remains part of the UK.

I would've thought that Liberals would've been for Scotland's independence.

They "appeared" to be, and they knew that the short term blow to labour would strengthen their hand -as well as even discussing the issue weakened the Labour party. So, yes, they were among the "yes" lot, but only insofar as it hurt their political enemies. It was stupid and irrational.
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9/19/2014 6:17:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 8:24:00 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/19/2014 4:35:50 AM, apb4y wrote:
Predictable from the beginning. If you really want to be independent, you need open rebellion.

That sounds a bit gung-ho about violence.

It's realistic. Moving out of your parent's basement takes balls; you can't do it if you're still sucking on Mummy's tits.
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9/19/2014 6:18:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/19/2014 6:17:49 PM, apb4y wrote:
At 9/19/2014 8:24:00 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/19/2014 4:35:50 AM, apb4y wrote:
Predictable from the beginning. If you really want to be independent, you need open rebellion.

That sounds a bit gung-ho about violence.

It's realistic. Moving out of your parent's basement takes balls; you can't do it if you're still sucking on Mummy's tits.

You can do it without starting a war against your parents too.
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9/21/2014 6:54:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'm glad they voted no. I love decentralisation, but not when it's because a bourgeois party gets a kick out of drawing more arbitrary lines into pieces of land. We don't need any more nationalism than we already have wasting time and dividing people in the UK. And anyway, Scotland would economically implode by itself, with its huge debt-to-GDP ratio, 11% lower productivity than the rest of the UK, overreliance on its oil and financial sector, unionist businesses (it's a capitalist economy, it needs businesses!) and uncertainty on the questions of currency and the EU. Especially if the SNP wanted to make like Old Labour and go public service shopping, which I think they did plan on doing.

What would be ideal, though, is if this whole independence thing never happened. It's inspired a surge of nationalism across the UK and given the idiots in Parliament a good chance to spout such divisive, petty bullsh!t as "English votes for English people!" Some part of me thinks the UK might effectively break up anyway.
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9/21/2014 12:32:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Either way it would have and has left a large minority however it would have been worse had they become independent leaving millions with little choice but to accept the wishes of a country they didn't wish to be ruled by. In the short term Scotland would have been better off economically and England worse off however leave it 10 years and the rest of the UK would have prospered, Scotland's economy would have faltered in the end when the majority of the SNP's economic policy was based on Oil which each year they get less money from as it becomes more difficult to extract. However you do have to admire Salmond as a campaigner he had great success considering his lack of economic policy.
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