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BellumQuodPacis
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3/26/2010 3:08:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Could anyone please explain to me the positions of each side, where political parties fall on the left to right chart, and what the mainly large parties are?

Ive been confused for a while now.
wjmelements
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3/26/2010 3:13:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:08:06 PM, BellumQuodPacis wrote:
Could anyone please explain to me the positions of each side, where political parties fall on the left to right chart, and what the mainly large parties are?

Ive been confused for a while now.

You'd better be joking. Ask Wikipedia. It knows everything.
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wjmelements
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3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.
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Xer
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3/26/2010 3:18:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
wjmelements
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3/26/2010 3:21:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Basic Overview:

The Democrats want big taxes.
The Republicans want Big Brother.
The Democrats want to bring the troops home, but only from Iraq.
The Republicans want world hegemony.
The Democrats want to increase spending in everything but the military.
The Republicans want to maintain spending in everything but the military.
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wjmelements
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3/26/2010 3:22:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:18:38 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

Agreeing.
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mongoose
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3/26/2010 3:22:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:18:38 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

They put Ron Paul as authoritarian and Obama as a conservative. I think he agrees with you.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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3/26/2010 3:26:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:21:11 PM, wjmelements wrote:
The Democrats want to bring the troops home, but only from Iraq.

Not necessarily.

I have many Democratic friends who hate, hate, hate the war in Afghanistan; the Democratic party is pretty split on this issue. I mean, off the top of my head I can think of quite a few names of Big Name liberals (e.g. Michael Moore, Bill Maher, etc.) who hate the Afghanistan war.

In fact, the only party that unitedly supports the war in Afghanistan is the GOP.
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InsertNameHere
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3/26/2010 3:30:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:22:15 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:18:38 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

They put Ron Paul as authoritarian and Obama as a conservative. I think he agrees with you.

Yea, what's with that? I thought Obama was a liberal.
mongeese
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3/26/2010 3:32:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:26:54 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:21:11 PM, wjmelements wrote:
The Democrats want to bring the troops home, but only from Iraq.

Not necessarily.

I have many Democratic friends who hate, hate, hate the war in Afghanistan; the Democratic party is pretty split on this issue. I mean, off the top of my head I can think of quite a few names of Big Name liberals (e.g. Michael Moore, Bill Maher, etc.) who hate the Afghanistan war.

In fact, the only party that unitedly supports the war in Afghanistan is the GOP.

Ron Paul would like to disagree with you.
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3/26/2010 3:32:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:30:28 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:22:15 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:18:38 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

They put Ron Paul as authoritarian and Obama as a conservative. I think he agrees with you.

Yea, what's with that? I thought Obama was a liberal.

He is very liberal. The chart lies.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
comoncents
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3/26/2010 3:35:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I have not found a great chart yet.

I think it is up to you and your consciousness to determine what you are, not a chart.
Volkov
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3/26/2010 3:38:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:32:24 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:30:28 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:22:15 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:18:38 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

They put Ron Paul as authoritarian and Obama as a conservative. I think he agrees with you.

Yea, what's with that? I thought Obama was a liberal.

He is very liberal. The chart lies.

No, it doesn't - it's based off of their social leanings. I think Obama is rather "conservative," as in, more status quo, on a lot of social issues. Ron Paul seems authoritarian in social issues, like any Republican.
mongoose
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3/26/2010 3:39:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:38:01 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:32:24 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:30:28 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:22:15 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:18:38 PM, Nags wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:17:34 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:10:38 PM, Nags wrote:
^ That chart doesn't put politicians in the right spot.

Not at all.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

They put Ron Paul as authoritarian and Obama as a conservative. I think he agrees with you.

Yea, what's with that? I thought Obama was a liberal.

He is very liberal. The chart lies.

No, it doesn't - it's based off of their social leanings. I think Obama is rather "conservative," as in, more status quo, on a lot of social issues. Ron Paul seems authoritarian in social issues, like any Republican.

Yet he even wants out of the war.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
wjmelements
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3/26/2010 3:40:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:38:01 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 3/26/2010 3:32:24 PM, mongoose wrote:
He is very liberal. The chart lies.

No, it doesn't - it's based off of their social leanings. I think Obama is rather "conservative," as in, more status quo, on a lot of social issues. Ron Paul seems authoritarian in social issues, like any Republican.

Look at his left-to-right.
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mongeese
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3/26/2010 3:44:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:38:01 PM, Volkov wrote:
No, it doesn't - it's based off of their social leanings. I think Obama is rather "conservative," as in, more status quo, on a lot of social issues. Ron Paul seems authoritarian in social issues, like any Republican.

Anyone who thinks that Ron Paul is authoritarian does not know Ron Paul very well.
Volkov
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3/26/2010 3:48:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:44:23 PM, mongeese wrote:
Anyone who thinks that Ron Paul is authoritarian does not know Ron Paul very well.

"Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life"

That's pretty authoritarian to me.
Xer
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3/26/2010 3:59:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:48:27 PM, Volkov wrote:
"Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life"

He thinks that states should decide the legality of abortion, not the federal government. So he hasn't done anything authoritarian with regards to abortion in his life, as he has only been a Congressman.

That's pretty authoritarian to me.

Not really. If someone thinks abortion is murder, then it only makes sense for them to support illegalizing it.
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3/26/2010 4:02:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 3:59:00 PM, Nags wrote:
He thinks that states should decide the legality of abortion, not the federal government. So he hasn't done anything authoritarian with regards to abortion in his life, as he has only been a Congressman.

He say's he is pro-life - that means he's not pro-choice. That's authoritarian. :P

Not really. If someone thinks abortion is murder, then it only makes sense for them to support illegalizing it.

And when you do that, given the situation of abortion, then he's also restricting the right of the mother. And given that he's a supposed libertarian, and the mother's body is the mother's property, well, that's a little contradictory.
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3/26/2010 4:05:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 4:02:33 PM, Volkov wrote:
He say's he is pro-life - that means he's not pro-choice. That's authoritarian. :P

No, it's not. :P

And when you do that, given the situation of abortion, then he's also restricting the right of the mother. And given that he's a supposed libertarian, and the mother's body is the mother's property, well, that's a little contradictory.

The right to life supersedes all rights.
Volkov
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3/26/2010 4:10:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 4:05:19 PM, Nags wrote:
No, it's not. :P

'Tis in my eyes.

The right to life supersedes all rights.

Mhm. So, that means Ron Paul supports abortion for cases where the mother's life is in danger?
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3/26/2010 4:12:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 4:10:14 PM, Volkov wrote:
'Tis in my eyes.

One can be pro-life and not support pro-life legislation. Like Ron Paul.

Mhm. So, that means Ron Paul supports abortion for cases where the mother's life is in danger?

Correct.
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3/26/2010 4:14:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 4:12:22 PM, Nags wrote:
One can be pro-life and not support pro-life legislation. Like Ron Paul.

But he does, several times, or at least legislation which goes somewhat in that direction, even federally, like with the Partial Birth Act. I bet you as well that if he were in control of a state, he's pro-life all over the place.

Correct.

Link?
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3/26/2010 4:22:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/26/2010 4:14:32 PM, Volkov wrote:
But he does, several times, or at least legislation which goes somewhat in that direction, even federally, like with the Partial Birth Act. I bet you as well that if he were in control of a state, he's pro-life all over the place.

Uhh. The baby is outside of the mother during partial birth abortion. This is definitely murder in Paul's opinion.

Link?

http://www.ontheissues.org...
"Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother's life. (Oct 2003)"