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Marauder
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3/30/2010 11:49:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I find when looking at evidence for conspiracy theories peoples conclusion splits based on one of two philosophys.

1) as more time passes 'the smoke clears'

2) as time goes on facts are distorted.

They both sound right but at least one must be wrong

what is yall's thoughts on this. is it better to trust the earlyiest of evidence, the statemenst made at scean and time of events, or is it better to believe later analisis and reserch of an event that would not made by people who were there or included statements from people who were there? Does time distorte the truth or does it make it more clear?
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GeoLaureate8
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3/30/2010 11:55:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Time is irrelevant in this regard. People wake up when they wake up. The facts get distorted and always have been. Time does play a small part, but not in this context.
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3/30/2010 11:57:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Also, the evidence of the past is key to understanding the current state of the conspiracy. New evidence is important for obvious reasons.
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Marauder
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3/30/2010 12:52:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I guess I got the idea that passage of time was a main factor from watching this debate.
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Volkov
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3/30/2010 2:05:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Time is a relevant factor in the makeup and evolution of these theories. As more time goes by, more facts come to light, and more ideas are thrown into the pot, which helps distort the idea more and more, until it becomes so far out there that you know it can't be true.

It's also communication. Know that experiment, where you start a rumour with one person, and it passes down the line, to the point where its very different from the original? That's a huge issue. It happens with conspiracy theories easily, as every person with their own bias and their own ideas mixes it in.

That's why the Roswell conspiracy went from government cover-up to the start of an intergalactic war with reptillians who control the White House, the British monarchy, and is to blame for national healthcare plans.
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3/30/2010 2:08:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Sometimes things gets distorted as time goes on, sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't have to be universal.
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Volkov
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3/30/2010 2:11:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/30/2010 2:08:57 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Sometimes things gets distorted as time goes on, sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't have to be universal.

It's pretty damn well near constant.

Be it history, philosophy, or casual gossip, as time grinds on, the more facts get grounded down.
Marauder
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3/30/2010 2:18:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/30/2010 2:05:05 PM, Volkov wrote:

It's also communication. Know that experiment, where you start a rumour with one person, and it passes down the line, to the point where its very different from the original? That's a huge issue. It happens with conspiracy theories easily, as every person with their own bias and their own ideas mixes it in.

That doesnt happen if your passing note though. when you have individuals on camera saying they heard multiple explosions just minites after it started to happen.
If its written on a document what the officals said day or the 9/11 attack or the day the ship crased in rosewell.
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Volkov
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3/30/2010 5:58:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/30/2010 2:18:05 PM, Marauder wrote:
That doesnt happen if your passing note though. when you have individuals on camera saying they heard multiple explosions just minites after it started to happen.
If its written on a document what the officals said day or the 9/11 attack or the day the ship crased in rosewell.

Actually it does happen with written word. The issue is of course time and how copied that note is, as well as the various aims of those doing the writing and the copying.

For example, in the Old Testament, there is something called the "Priestly Source" in several books, which were added to the text after the Persian exile. The aims of the Priestly Source were to help tone down the nationalistic fever of the Israelite texts, in favour of helping sooth the transition into the multiethnic Persian Empire, which included former enemies of Israel. Parts of this source include bits where God tells the Israelites to love thy (international) neighbor.

So even though things were "written down," it can still get changed, depending on the goals and the situation of any given period. That's why people shift their stories so much in these conspiracy theories. Situations change, and something influences their opinion later. If you ever look up the Hill abduction case, there is evidence that the abductees were influenced by a movie they saw a bit after, which led them to change their story when interviewed later on.

Or tale 9/11 conspiracies. If you listen, a lot of people say, "I didn't know it at the time," or something similar. Call it a Freudian slip, but that's pretty indicative of a post-event influence any way you look at it. That's why eye witness reports, unless they happen directly after the event, are considered unreliable a good portion of the time.
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3/30/2010 6:20:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 3/30/2010 2:05:05 PM, Volkov wrote:
Time is a relevant factor in the makeup and evolution of these theories. As more time goes by, more facts come to light, and more ideas are thrown into the pot, which helps distort the idea more and more, until it becomes so far out there that you know it can't be true.

It's also communication. Know that experiment, where you start a rumour with one person, and it passes down the line, to the point where its very different from the original? That's a huge issue. It happens with conspiracy theories easily, as every person with their own bias and their own ideas mixes it in.

That's why the Roswell conspiracy went from government cover-up to the start of an intergalactic war with reptillians who control the White House, the British monarchy, and is to blame for national healthcare plans.

Yar. Look at the moon landing ones. First it was simply, did not get there. Then you have to add on another to account for the 'silence' of those on the project. Then you had moon rocks brought back, so we need another conspiracy to account for that ...

And so on it goes.