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10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.
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10/11/2014 12:56:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Don't support her. If you really think we should put people in office that want more war...

("WE WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE GATES OF HELL!") - Joe Biden

He's out too...

To be honest with you, whoever the parties put out there to vote for are probably unfit to run this country: just some more puppets.
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10/11/2014 1:37:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
She is a woman which I do not support her as being next president. I actually have no respect for her either, but on a human level, sure. That is not a place for a woman.
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10/11/2014 2:04:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
No, I most certainly do not support Mrs. Clinton. Why not? Because she's simply another establishment politician, another status quo-consenting candidate who if elected will bring about no change of a fundamental nature. She would be the first female Commander in Chief, but there would be absolutely nothing else revolutionary about her presidency.
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10/11/2014 3:49:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Wow, well this is interesting. So far, everyone has kinda agreed with me based on their own unique reasoning.

I'm still looking for a Hillary supporter to please answer my question - why should I support her for becoming the next president? It seems that everyone is against her, as am I, at this point.
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10/11/2014 4:38:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 3:56:46 PM, YYW wrote:
Yes. She is the best candidate. I hope she choses Deval Patrick as her vice president.

But why? I really am pretty unread when it comes to modern politics and would really like to hear the opinion of a supporter to help myself come to a decision on if I should back her or not in 2016. I'm still kind of against her myself after seeing her failure as Secretary of State... why should I trust her with an even higher office?
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10/11/2014 4:45:59 PM
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At 10/11/2014 4:38:30 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 3:56:46 PM, YYW wrote:
Yes. She is the best candidate. I hope she choses Deval Patrick as her vice president.

But why? I really am pretty unread when it comes to modern politics and would really like to hear the opinion of a supporter to help myself come to a decision on if I should back her or not in 2016. I'm still kind of against her myself after seeing her failure as Secretary of State... why should I trust her with an even higher office?

Why do you think she failed as secretary of state?
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10/11/2014 4:50:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 4:45:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:38:30 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 3:56:46 PM, YYW wrote:
Yes. She is the best candidate. I hope she choses Deval Patrick as her vice president.

But why? I really am pretty unread when it comes to modern politics and would really like to hear the opinion of a supporter to help myself come to a decision on if I should back her or not in 2016. I'm still kind of against her myself after seeing her failure as Secretary of State... why should I trust her with an even higher office?

Why do you think she failed as secretary of state?

Benghazi incident. Although I had no personal emotions vested in that affair, it still reflected her inability to oversee her commands. I just don't feel too comfortable entrusting her with even greater responsibilities if she couldn't handle the demands from a lower office.
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10/11/2014 4:51:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 4:50:19 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:45:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:38:30 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 3:56:46 PM, YYW wrote:
Yes. She is the best candidate. I hope she choses Deval Patrick as her vice president.

But why? I really am pretty unread when it comes to modern politics and would really like to hear the opinion of a supporter to help myself come to a decision on if I should back her or not in 2016. I'm still kind of against her myself after seeing her failure as Secretary of State... why should I trust her with an even higher office?

Why do you think she failed as secretary of state?

Benghazi incident. Although I had no personal emotions vested in that affair, it still reflected her inability to oversee her commands. I just don't feel too comfortable entrusting her with even greater responsibilities if she couldn't handle the demands from a lower office.

How can you hold Clinton personally accountable for that?
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10/11/2014 4:54:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I do support Hillary Clinton. I think she would be an incredible candidate if runs for the White House in 2016. I also believe Joseph Biden would also be fantastic as President. If Republicans continue to resist the passage of much-needed legislation this country badly needs, and if they make gains in Congress this November, I do hope both of these fine candidates will run.
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10/11/2014 4:56:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Correction:

"I do support Hillary Clinton. I think she would be an incredible candidate if she runs for the White House in 2016. I also believe Joseph Biden would be a fantastic President. If Republicans continue to resist the passage of much-needed legislation this country badly needs, and if they make gains in Congress this November, I do hope both of these fine candidates will run."
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10/11/2014 5:10:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I'll just say that I see no reason to believe that Clinton was personally responsible for Benghazi. She is not a security expert, and she is not an intelligence analyst. It was intelligence and security's failure that resulted in Benghazi -not decisions that she made which directly or indirectly contributed to this happening.

Trey Gowdy and some other congressmen made a big hullabaloo about what was really no more than smoke in mirrors, and it's very clear that he and other members of the Republican party (and the people who support the GOP on media outlets) were doing the same thing.

Essentially, what they had to do is put enough doubt in people's minds that something could be the case. They allowed people's prejudices against Clinton (she's a cold, calculating politician) against her.

The case against Clinton is basically "we don't like that woman" + "this thing happened" and no more. There is no evidence which suggests her responsibility, and I think that if there was there would have been, for example, a whistle blower to out her. There usually is in cases like this where there is a legitimate basis for the inquiry.

Nothing of the sort has happened, but the Republican argument for her guilt is essentially that she is until proven otherwise. Proving otherwise would require the release of classified information, which the GOP knows is not going to happen. So, they're going to try her in the court of public opinion -because that's the only thing they can do.

Most people don't see through it, but I think that once the tea party wave has finally died down the Republicans who led the crusade against her are going to struggle considerably in their careers in the future because people who politicize national tragedies tend to do well in the short term but not in the long run. Basically, the press likes a scandal but it resents being mislead.

The problem, strategically, is that certain members of the GOP was thinking about short term gains when the should have been thinking about their place in history. History does not look fondly on those who try to use disaster for personal gain. The media might give them the time of day in the present, but only the present.

There will continue to be ongoing discussions among the electorate about whether she was actually responsible, and the people who got caught up in the moment then will deny that they ever did, and the people who already hated Hillary Clinton will continue to act like there's some great conspiracy for the same reason that many still believe that Obama is a secret muslim from Kenya.

More or less, the GOP is behaving stupidly. The politics of fear do not work in the long term. While some people vote out of fear, most do not. That is why I'm cautiously optimistic about the midterm outcome. Republicans are trying to portray the international order in crisis (despite the fact that that is not the case), Obama's economic strategy as an abject failure (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), and Obamacare as a mess (despite the fact that it's not only working, but working better than expected in the aggregate).

They cannot see past their own vitriolic hatred of our president to see the error of their ways. The Republican message is "this guy is so bad and he's the reason for all of your problems" which will get poor, uneducated white people to vote for the GOP unless a Democrat offers to raise the minimum wage and improve Medicare/social security.

I expect the DNC to make improving social security an issue in 2016, because they know that if they do, Republicans will call it socialism, which is going to continue to make the GOP look myopic and reactionary (which is exactly what they are) whereas the DNC will continue to look like the moderate party of the people.

There will not be a mandate against Obama. There will not be a mandate against Obamacare. There will only be a systematic breakdown in the media of all the stupid things the Republican party has done (the lawsuits, the shutdown, etc.) and why people who govern like that are not fit to lead the country.

It's going to be an amusing election, and Clinton will win, I think, by a considerable percentage.

tl;dr: Benghazi is only a scandal because it was framed as such by opportunistic tea baggers. There is no evidence for Clinton's direct or indirect culpability. Benghazi will be an issue in 2016, but not dispositive one to the election's outcome.

Long term, the Republicans who attempted to make this into a scandal will suffer politically for trying to capitalize on a national tragedy. Clinton, I'm sure, is more than ready to put all of them in their place when they will emerge to fight her when she runs in the general.
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10/11/2014 5:12:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 4:54:12 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
I do support Hillary Clinton. I think she would be an incredible candidate if runs for the White House in 2016. I also believe Joseph Biden would also be fantastic as President.

Despite his seemingly uncorrectable tendency to say incredibly stupid things?

If Republicans continue to resist the passage of much-needed legislation this country badly needs, and if they make gains in Congress this November, I do hope both of these fine candidates will run.

Generally, I think that the GOP will vastly overestimate their own popularity in this election as they did in 2012 -and they will loose. I think Bush will have been the last Republican president for a very long time. 2024, maybe. But, by then, the GOP will be more or less Libertarian.
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10/11/2014 5:31:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 5:12:36 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:54:12 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
I do support Hillary Clinton. I think she would be an incredible candidate if runs for the White House in 2016. I also believe Joseph Biden would also be fantastic as President.

Despite his seemingly uncorrectable tendency to say incredibly stupid things?

I say stupid things, too. Big deal!

If Republicans continue to resist the passage of much-needed legislation this country badly needs, and if they make gains in Congress this November, I do hope both of these fine candidates will run.

Generally, I think that the GOP will vastly overestimate their own popularity in this election as they did in 2012 -and they will loose. I think Bush will have been the last Republican president for a very long time. 2024, maybe. But, by then, the GOP will be more or less Libertarian.

My hope is that this November Democrats pick up seats in the House. The truth is it would be a tragedy if Republicans take the Senate and continue to squash Obama's efforts to pass bills that get the country moving forward.

The nation needs an increase in minimum wage, that will offer major relief to the millions of low-wage earners and other Americans that badly need more money to get by. This nation needs stiffer gun control laws, it needs to pass laws that protect the environment and gradually eliminate our reliance on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.

Republicans simply ARE NOT the answer to our problems at this point in time!
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10/11/2014 5:47:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.

It really doesn't matter who we elect, in the long run. America's leaders are going downhill very quickly.
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10/11/2014 5:56:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 5:47:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.

It really doesn't matter who we elect, in the long run. America's leaders are going downhill very quickly.

Because? Well, here are a few thoughts, http://www.debate.org...
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10/11/2014 5:58:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 5:56:45 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:47:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.

It really doesn't matter who we elect, in the long run. America's leaders are going downhill very quickly.

Because? Well, here are a few thoughts, http://www.debate.org...
I'm already against Democracy. I'm perhaps the most against it on the site.
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10/11/2014 6:03:05 PM
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At 10/11/2014 5:58:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:56:45 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:47:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.

It really doesn't matter who we elect, in the long run. America's leaders are going downhill very quickly.

Because? Well, here are a few thoughts, http://www.debate.org...
I'm already against Democracy. I'm perhaps the most against it on the site.

So what is it that you support, Yama Von Karma? Tyranny? Anarchy?

Either one of those two options is far worse than Democracy. At least in Democracy everybody is granted a little control over a country's destiny--and people tend to have basic civil liberties and human rights.
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10/11/2014 6:06:10 PM
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At 10/11/2014 6:03:05 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:58:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:56:45 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:47:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.

It really doesn't matter who we elect, in the long run. America's leaders are going downhill very quickly.

Because? Well, here are a few thoughts, http://www.debate.org...
I'm already against Democracy. I'm perhaps the most against it on the site.

So what is it that you support, Yama Von Karma? Tyranny? Anarchy?

Either one of those two options is far worse than Democracy. At least in Democracy everybody is granted a little control over a country's destiny--and people tend to have basic civil liberties and human rights.

I'm an Authoritarian. I believe that most humans are petty creatures unable to truly grasp how their votes can change the face of the planet. In the end, they're better off being lead by their betters. The smart should rule over the masses, as opposed to the wealthy or popular.
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10/11/2014 6:11:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 6:06:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 6:03:05 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:58:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:56:45 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:47:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.

It really doesn't matter who we elect, in the long run. America's leaders are going downhill very quickly.

Because? Well, here are a few thoughts, http://www.debate.org...
I'm already against Democracy. I'm perhaps the most against it on the site.

So what is it that you support, Yama Von Karma? Tyranny? Anarchy?

Either one of those two options is far worse than Democracy. At least in Democracy everybody is granted a little control over a country's destiny--and people tend to have basic civil liberties and human rights.

I'm an Authoritarian. I believe that most humans are petty creatures unable to truly grasp how their votes can change the face of the planet. In the end, they're better off being lead by their betters. The smart should rule over the masses, as opposed to the wealthy or popular.

The smart are just as corruptible, as greedy, and as prone to making rotten decisions for a country as the wealthy, the popular, and military dictators. I still favor democracy, because that offers a rule-of-law element to those in power. They can be removed from office and they can't do whatever they want.
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10/11/2014 6:12:59 PM
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At 10/11/2014 6:11:20 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
At 10/11/2014 6:06:10 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 6:03:05 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:58:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:56:45 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 10/11/2014 5:47:25 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 10/11/2014 12:23:13 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Why do you support Hillary Clinton for President?

What has she done that makes her worthy to hold such an office?

Personally, I do not understand why she would make a good president, so any and all information would be appreciated. I don't want to say "no" to her simply over Benghazi, but it was a pretty big slip-up and one that I can't seem to get over.

Why should I get over it, and start supporting her for our next President?

Serious responses only please, I'm honestly trying to understand where the other side is coming from.

It really doesn't matter who we elect, in the long run. America's leaders are going downhill very quickly.

Because? Well, here are a few thoughts, http://www.debate.org...
I'm already against Democracy. I'm perhaps the most against it on the site.

So what is it that you support, Yama Von Karma? Tyranny? Anarchy?

Either one of those two options is far worse than Democracy. At least in Democracy everybody is granted a little control over a country's destiny--and people tend to have basic civil liberties and human rights.

I'm an Authoritarian. I believe that most humans are petty creatures unable to truly grasp how their votes can change the face of the planet. In the end, they're better off being lead by their betters. The smart should rule over the masses, as opposed to the wealthy or popular.

The smart are just as corruptible, as greedy, and as prone to making rotten decisions for a country as the wealthy, the popular, and military dictators. I still favor democracy, because that offers a rule-of-law element to those in power. They can be removed from office and they can't do whatever they want.
That's cute. You honestly believe the politicians are in charge.
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10/11/2014 7:20:26 PM
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At 10/11/2014 4:51:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:50:19 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:45:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:38:30 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 3:56:46 PM, YYW wrote:
Yes. She is the best candidate. I hope she choses Deval Patrick as her vice president.

But why? I really am pretty unread when it comes to modern politics and would really like to hear the opinion of a supporter to help myself come to a decision on if I should back her or not in 2016. I'm still kind of against her myself after seeing her failure as Secretary of State... why should I trust her with an even higher office?

Why do you think she failed as secretary of state?

Benghazi incident. Although I had no personal emotions vested in that affair, it still reflected her inability to oversee her commands. I just don't feel too comfortable entrusting her with even greater responsibilities if she couldn't handle the demands from a lower office.

How can you hold Clinton personally accountable for that?

Was she not the one in charge? If I remember correctly, she held herself personally accountable and stepped down. She was asked for additional security from the consulate months before the incident occurred and ignored those requests. Do you really not know about this?
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10/11/2014 7:20:57 PM
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At 10/11/2014 4:54:12 PM, Juan_Pablo wrote:
I do support Hillary Clinton. I think she would be an incredible candidate if runs for the White House in 2016.

Why?
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10/11/2014 7:25:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 7:20:26 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:51:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:50:19 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:45:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:38:30 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 3:56:46 PM, YYW wrote:
Yes. She is the best candidate. I hope she choses Deval Patrick as her vice president.

But why? I really am pretty unread when it comes to modern politics and would really like to hear the opinion of a supporter to help myself come to a decision on if I should back her or not in 2016. I'm still kind of against her myself after seeing her failure as Secretary of State... why should I trust her with an even higher office?

Why do you think she failed as secretary of state?

Benghazi incident. Although I had no personal emotions vested in that affair, it still reflected her inability to oversee her commands. I just don't feel too comfortable entrusting her with even greater responsibilities if she couldn't handle the demands from a lower office.

How can you hold Clinton personally accountable for that?

Was she not the one in charge? If I remember correctly, she held herself personally accountable and stepped down. She was asked for additional security from the consulate months before the incident occurred and ignored those requests. Do you really not know about this?

See post 14, this thread.
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10/11/2014 7:27:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 5:10:23 PM, YYW wrote:
It's going to be an amusing election, and Clinton will win, I think, by a considerable percentage.

I'd agree. I'll also call it now, they're gonna pull the "woman" card. Which will most likely bring about the same results as the "black" card did. I know this sounds crude, but it's really a powerful tool in her war-chest to be honest and one that I think will win her the election since there are no other women candidates that hold a candle to her.

tl;dr: Benghazi is only a scandal because it was framed as such by opportunistic tea baggers. There is no evidence for Clinton's direct or indirect culpability. Benghazi will be an issue in 2016, but not dispositive one to the election's outcome.

You're probably right. She's already published her book, so it's not like she hasn't already been playing defense. I'd call it practice for the upcoming show.

So, on the flip-side. What are some of her Pro's? What makes her stand out as a candidate aside from being the only woman with a real shot in 16'?
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10/11/2014 7:28:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/11/2014 7:25:44 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 7:20:26 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:51:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:50:19 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:45:59 PM, YYW wrote:
At 10/11/2014 4:38:30 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 10/11/2014 3:56:46 PM, YYW wrote:
Yes. She is the best candidate. I hope she choses Deval Patrick as her vice president.

But why? I really am pretty unread when it comes to modern politics and would really like to hear the opinion of a supporter to help myself come to a decision on if I should back her or not in 2016. I'm still kind of against her myself after seeing her failure as Secretary of State... why should I trust her with an even higher office?

Why do you think she failed as secretary of state?

Benghazi incident. Although I had no personal emotions vested in that affair, it still reflected her inability to oversee her commands. I just don't feel too comfortable entrusting her with even greater responsibilities if she couldn't handle the demands from a lower office.

How can you hold Clinton personally accountable for that?

Was she not the one in charge? If I remember correctly, she held herself personally accountable and stepped down. She was asked for additional security from the consulate months before the incident occurred and ignored those requests. Do you really not know about this?

See post 14, this thread.

Yeah, just saw it and replied. Sorry about that.
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