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comoncents
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4/12/2010 7:35:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
A lot of people that that Individual freedom is the key to politics.

Lockean classical liberalism?

What is the problem with it?
What are the down falls to thinking this way?

Some I can think of...

Soft despotism, fragmentation, and selfish thought?

Anyone dispute an individual freedom point of view?
Volkov
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4/12/2010 7:38:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/12/2010 7:35:39 PM, comoncents wrote:
Anyone dispute an individual freedom point of view?

Well, it isn't hard to. I can't quite mimic the communists on this site, but essentially, if an individual's actions can harm the collective will, why should they have freedom to do so?
belle
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4/12/2010 7:41:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
that only makes sense if individuals are seen as parts of a greater whole rather than wholes in themselves. i mean if an individual person is just like a cell in a body then who gives a shiz if a few come to harm? the body lives onnnnnnnnnn
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
Reasoning
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4/12/2010 7:41:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, ideology, or social outlook that stresses "the moral worth of the individual"." - Wikipedia[1]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/12/2010 8:18:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/12/2010 7:38:26 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/12/2010 7:35:39 PM, comoncents wrote:
Anyone dispute an individual freedom point of view?

Well, it isn't hard to. I can't quite mimic the communists on this site, but essentially, if an individual's actions can harm the collective will, why should they have freedom to do so?
Moot, there is no such thing as collective will.

Soft despotism
???

fragmentation
There's no whole to break fragments off of.

and selfish thought
Which is awesome
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
Volkov
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4/12/2010 8:29:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/12/2010 8:18:55 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Moot, there is no such thing as collective will.

Like I said - I can't mimic communists. Where is Rob when you need him?
comoncents
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4/13/2010 8:02:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/12/2010 8:18:55 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

Soft despotism
???


What do you knot understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org...
fragmentation
There's no whole to break fragments off of.


http://en.wikipedia.org...(sociology)

n urban sociology, fragmentation refers to the absence or the underdevelopment of connections between the society and the groupings of some members of that society on the lines of a common culture, nationality, race, language, occupation, religion, income level, or other common interests. This gap between the concerned group and the rest might be social, indicating poor interrelationships among each other; economical based on structural inequalities; institutional in terms of formal and specific political, occupational, educative or associative organizations and/or geographic implying regional or residential concentration.

and selfish thought
Which is awesome
Ragnar_Rahl
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4/13/2010 9:36:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/13/2010 8:02:27 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 4/12/2010 8:18:55 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

Soft despotism
???


What do you knot understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Doesn't sound like individualism to me.

fragmentation
There's no whole to break fragments off of.


http://en.wikipedia.org...(sociology)
A. Fragmentation is a bad term.
B. Sounds like fun to me.
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DevinKing
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4/13/2010 4:16:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/12/2010 7:35:39 PM, comoncents wrote:
A lot of people *Believe* that Individual freedom is the key to politics.

--A lot of people don't believe in Santa Clause but that doesn't mean that he isn't real. Argument by popular belief doesn't work.

Lockean classical liberalism?

What is the problem with it?
What are the down falls to thinking this way?

Some I can think of...

Soft despotism, fragmentation, and selfish thought?

Anyone dispute an individual freedom point of view?

--I don't dispute individual freedom nescesarily, it's just that when an individual's freedom is put above a collective benefit. I am for individuals rights, but against most interpretations of it.
After demonstrating his existence with complete certainty with the proposition "I think, therefore I am", Descartes walks into a bar, sitting next to a gorgeous priest. The priest asks Descartes, "Would you like a drink?" Descartes responds, "I think not," and then proceeds to vanish in a puff of illogic.
kelly224
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4/15/2010 12:24:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/12/2010 7:35:39 PM, comoncents wrote:
A lot of people that that Individual freedom is the key to politics.

Lockean classical liberalism?




What is the problem with it?
What are the down falls to thinking this way?

Some I can think of...

Soft despotism, fragmentation, and selfish thought?

Isn't that how going on now?...Putting a different label on it won't make it fit your equation.

Anyone dispute an individual freedom point of view? So you would rather be a clone that jumps when they say how high?