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10/17/2014 1:30:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

is this the abortion debate again?
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10/19/2014 9:58:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Q: Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

A: I'm both!

Results in: Paradox.

Q: Are you Anti-Choice or Anti-Life?

A: I'm both!

Results in: Prison.

This really isn't an issue that you can fence-sit on, is it?
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10/20/2014 2:08:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

Would you be interested in debating this?
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10/20/2014 3:12:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 2:08:11 PM, Material_Girl wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

Would you be interested in debating this?

I would love to. You seem really smart. It would be a good debate.
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10/20/2014 3:44:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Prolive
I will never understand how killing someone can be considered a matter of choice.
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10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
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10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.
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10/20/2014 3:52:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

I'm pro-choice although I believe an abortion should be carried out before the fetus can feel pain.
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10/20/2014 3:53:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 3:52:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

I'm pro-choice although I believe an abortion should be carried out before the fetus can feel pain.

Fair enough. What motivates you to be prochoice?
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10/20/2014 3:59:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

Umm, actually it 100% is. The fetus is a parasite that needs a host to become viable outside the host's body. I'm not trying to use scary imagery to make you think of the fetus as a disgusting creature, but it literally is a parasite. It gets nourishment from the mommy body and can't live without it...
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10/20/2014 4:00:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 3:53:49 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:52:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

I'm pro-choice although I believe an abortion should be carried out before the fetus can feel pain.

Fair enough. What motivates you to be prochoice?

In my opinion, it is just a fetus. A collection of cells multiplying in a women's body. It is essentially just the makings of a human and humans aren't special. If they had techniques that ensured a 100% pain free death, I wouldn't have a problem with a 5 month old fetus being aborted.
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10/20/2014 4:03:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 4:00:08 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:53:49 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:52:12 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

I'm pro-choice although I believe an abortion should be carried out before the fetus can feel pain.

Fair enough. What motivates you to be prochoice?

In my opinion, it is just a fetus. A collection of cells multiplying in a women's body. It is essentially just the makings of a human and humans aren't special. If they had techniques that ensured a 100% pain free death, I wouldn't have a problem with a 5 month old fetus being aborted.

Yeah I used to feel the same way until I saw a pic of a preterm baby.
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10/20/2014 4:31:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 3:59:03 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

Umm, actually it 100% is. The fetus is a parasite that needs a host to become viable outside the host's body. I'm not trying to use scary imagery to make you think of the fetus as a disgusting creature, but it literally is a parasite. It gets nourishment from the mommy body and can't live without it...

So you agree with killing people mentally ill because they can not live without the help of others?
In cases where the mother has no condition to create a child, you also agree that they should be sacrificed for the welfare of the mother?

There are several ways to define a parasite, some people consider social assistance a type of parasitism. ( and this is wrong)
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10/20/2014 4:35:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 4:31:13 PM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:59:03 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

Umm, actually it 100% is. The fetus is a parasite that needs a host to become viable outside the host's body. I'm not trying to use scary imagery to make you think of the fetus as a disgusting creature, but it literally is a parasite. It gets nourishment from the mommy body and can't live without it...

So you agree with killing people mentally ill because they can not live without the help of others?


There are several ways to define a parasite, some people consider social assistance a type of parasitism. ( and this is wrong)

Mentally ill people aren't literally parasites as they can breath, eat, and drink on their own while a fetus is connected to the mother body. My only point about the fetus is that it is PART of he women's body and she can still do what she wants with her body, regardless of the fetus being present.

And I have no idea what you mean by this: " In cases where the mother has no condition to create a child, you also agree that they should be sacrificed for the welfare of the mother? "
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10/20/2014 4:49:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
killing a baby is pro-death, denying the baby's choice. Killing the baby is anti-choice to the baby and pro-death to the baby. God will repay on the babys behalf when it's choice of life is denied.
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10/20/2014 5:26:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 4:35:14 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 4:31:13 PM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:59:03 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

Umm, actually it 100% is. The fetus is a parasite that needs a host to become viable outside the host's body. I'm not trying to use scary imagery to make you think of the fetus as a disgusting creature, but it literally is a parasite. It gets nourishment from the mommy body and can't live without it...

So you agree with killing people mentally ill because they can not live without the help of others?


There are several ways to define a parasite, some people consider social assistance a type of parasitism. ( and this is wrong)

Mentally ill people aren't literally parasites as they can breath, eat, and drink on their own while a fetus is connected to the mother body. My only point about the fetus is that it is PART of he women's body and she can still do what she wants with her body, regardless of the fetus being present.

You are killing someone innocent (who has committed no crime), what kind of justice is that?
If your child is dying of hunger, you have an obligation to feed it, like it or not, because unfortunately he has only you.
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10/21/2014 5:44:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 3:12:55 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 2:08:11 PM, Material_Girl wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

Would you be interested in debating this?

I would love to. You seem really smart. It would be a good debate.

Thanks! Should we do a simple "abortion should be legal," or specify the resolution and do "abortion should always be legal," or "abortion should be legal before the fetus has a heartbeat," or perhaps debate from an ethical standpoint ("it is moral for a mother to choose to have an abortion," or "it is moral to legalise abortion,")?
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10/21/2014 8:53:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

I am pro-life too, and I'm a libertarian, or at least, I like to think that of myself!
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10/21/2014 9:20:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I am Pro-Life, especially when it comes to the topic of Abortions. Religiously and personally my views sometimes differ, but I always end up agreeing with my religious opinion, because it serves more purpose than my hypocritical beliefs.
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10/21/2014 5:53:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 3:59:03 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

Umm, actually it 100% is. The fetus is a parasite that needs a host to become viable outside the host's body. I'm not trying to use scary imagery to make you think of the fetus as a disgusting creature, but it literally is a parasite. It gets nourishment from the mommy body and can't live without it...

Just one problem (and there are a few) would be if this were correct, killing the fetus in the womb in any circumstance would be morally equivalent to removing a tapeworm. That would seem to entail a doctor who went around killing the foetus of willing mothers would have the same moral blame (i.e. none) as a doctor removing tapeworms.
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10/21/2014 7:17:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/20/2014 5:26:30 PM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/20/2014 4:35:14 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 4:31:13 PM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:59:03 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

Umm, actually it 100% is. The fetus is a parasite that needs a host to become viable outside the host's body. I'm not trying to use scary imagery to make you think of the fetus as a disgusting creature, but it literally is a parasite. It gets nourishment from the mommy body and can't live without it...

So you agree with killing people mentally ill because they can not live without the help of others?


There are several ways to define a parasite, some people consider social assistance a type of parasitism. ( and this is wrong)

Mentally ill people aren't literally parasites as they can breath, eat, and drink on their own while a fetus is connected to the mother body. My only point about the fetus is that it is PART of he women's body and she can still do what she wants with her body, regardless of the fetus being present.

You are killing someone innocent (who has committed no crime), what kind of justice is that?
If your child is dying of hunger, you have an obligation to feed it, like it or not, because unfortunately he has only you.

Look- it may surprise you, but a fetus ain't a child, and you pro-lifers love the death sentence. Explain that contradiction, please...
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10/21/2014 7:23:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/21/2014 5:53:33 PM, unitedandy wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:59:03 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:50:29 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/20/2014 3:47:44 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/16/2014 11:38:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
I am prolife.

So and I, but I'm also pro-choice. I don't want to have an abortion, so I don't get one- but I'll be damned if I'm going to let other people tell what I can and can't do with my own body...
The unborn child is not part of the mother's body. Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

Umm, actually it 100% is. The fetus is a parasite that needs a host to become viable outside the host's body. I'm not trying to use scary imagery to make you think of the fetus as a disgusting creature, but it literally is a parasite. It gets nourishment from the mommy body and can't live without it...

Just one problem (and there are a few) would be if this were correct, killing the fetus in the womb in any circumstance would be morally equivalent to removing a tapeworm. That would seem to entail a doctor who went around killing the foetus of willing mothers would have the same moral blame (i.e. none) as a doctor removing tapeworms.

Exactly- and it's not a problem. Did you intend a different point?
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10/22/2014 4:46:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/21/2014 7:17:41 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 5:26:30 PM, Lupo wrote:
You are killing someone innocent (who has committed no crime), what kind of justice is that?
If your child is dying of hunger, you have an obligation to feed it, like it or not, because unfortunately he has only you.

Look- it may surprise you, but a fetus ain't a child, and you pro-lifers love the death sentence. Explain that contradiction, please...

No, it's the first stage on the human development.
In both cases you are killing someone, the difference is that in abortion, the person is being killed without having done anything wrong, and without the right to defend himself.
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10/22/2014 5:58:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/22/2014 4:46:54 AM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/21/2014 7:17:41 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 5:26:30 PM, Lupo wrote:
You are killing someone innocent (who has committed no crime), what kind of justice is that?
If your child is dying of hunger, you have an obligation to feed it, like it or not, because unfortunately he has only you.

Look- it may surprise you, but a fetus ain't a child, and you pro-lifers love the death sentence. Explain that contradiction, please...

No, it's the first stage on the human development.
In both cases you are killing someone, the difference is that in abortion, the person is being killed without having done anything wrong, and without the right to defend himself.

If you squash an acorn seed, did you kill an acorn tree?
The fetus is not a person.
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10/22/2014 6:05:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/22/2014 5:58:03 AM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/22/2014 4:46:54 AM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/21/2014 7:17:41 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 5:26:30 PM, Lupo wrote:
You are killing someone innocent (who has committed no crime), what kind of justice is that?
If your child is dying of hunger, you have an obligation to feed it, like it or not, because unfortunately he has only you.

Look- it may surprise you, but a fetus ain't a child, and you pro-lifers love the death sentence. Explain that contradiction, please...

No, it's the first stage on the human development.
In both cases you are killing someone, the difference is that in abortion, the person is being killed without having done anything wrong, and without the right to defend himself.

If you squash an acorn seed, did you kill an acorn tree?
The fetus is not a person.

Even 1 day before the birth where it is completely viable outside of the womb?
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10/22/2014 6:07:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/22/2014 6:05:38 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/22/2014 5:58:03 AM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/22/2014 4:46:54 AM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/21/2014 7:17:41 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 5:26:30 PM, Lupo wrote:
You are killing someone innocent (who has committed no crime), what kind of justice is that?
If your child is dying of hunger, you have an obligation to feed it, like it or not, because unfortunately he has only you.

Look- it may surprise you, but a fetus ain't a child, and you pro-lifers love the death sentence. Explain that contradiction, please...

No, it's the first stage on the human development.
In both cases you are killing someone, the difference is that in abortion, the person is being killed without having done anything wrong, and without the right to defend himself.

If you squash an acorn seed, did you kill an acorn tree?
The fetus is not a person.

Even 1 day before the birth where it is completely viable outside of the womb?

No, if it is viable outside the womb, it's a self-sustaining baby.
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10/22/2014 6:13:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/22/2014 6:07:02 AM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/22/2014 6:05:38 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 10/22/2014 5:58:03 AM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/22/2014 4:46:54 AM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/21/2014 7:17:41 PM, Thanksfornotraping wrote:
At 10/20/2014 5:26:30 PM, Lupo wrote:
You are killing someone innocent (who has committed no crime), what kind of justice is that?
If your child is dying of hunger, you have an obligation to feed it, like it or not, because unfortunately he has only you.

Look- it may surprise you, but a fetus ain't a child, and you pro-lifers love the death sentence. Explain that contradiction, please...

No, it's the first stage on the human development.
In both cases you are killing someone, the difference is that in abortion, the person is being killed without having done anything wrong, and without the right to defend himself.

If you squash an acorn seed, did you kill an acorn tree?
The fetus is not a person.

Even 1 day before the birth where it is completely viable outside of the womb?

No, if it is viable outside the womb, it's a self-sustaining baby.

So you're against abortion in the scenario that the fetus is viable outside of the womb?

Technology gets better everyday and the point it becomes viable outside the womb is progressively getting closer to the time of conception. Are you really comfortable redefining when it's acceptable to kill the unborn child with every advancement in technology?
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10/22/2014 6:16:45 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
What's it even mean to be pro life and pro choice? Rarely is a pro choice person pro choice in every situation or a pro life person is against abortion in every scenario.

So where is the line that seperates pro choice and pro life?