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Xer
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4/16/2010 10:48:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com...
This a Democratic Party affiliated polling organization. The Wall Street Journal ranked it as the second most accurate pollster for the 2008 elections.

- Huckabee is winning 47-45.
- Romney is winning 46-45.
- Ginrich tied at 45-45.
- Palin is losing 47-45.
- Bastards didn't poll for Ron Paul.

When Obama first got elected in 2008, I thought there was no way in hell that he would lose in 2012. If the momentum continues for the Republicans, 2012 could be a blowout.

The Republicans are winning the Congressional generic ballot by 3.2: http://realclearpolitics.com.... RealClearPolitics gets the generic ballot by averaging together every single polling organization that does the generic ballot. RCP's generic ballot is almost always the most accurate.

It appears as though that the Republicans will most likely pick up 25 to 35 seats, at least if the elections were held today. If the momentum continues at the current pace, or even at all, the Republicans look like they can pick up 40+ seats. Which would mean that the GOP would take over control of the House. http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com...
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4/16/2010 10:54:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I find it hard to believe that the republicans cannot get better candidates.

I mean seriously is this the best we have?

They are all idiots. Mitt Romney probably the least, but I haven't heard him come up with any decent ideas.
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4/16/2010 10:57:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It does seem that the Democrats are becoming ever closer to losing the House, though even if they don't, they'll certainly be knocked down quite a few. Gubernatorial races are looking bad for the Dems too, though bad fortunes aren't limited only to them, since the GOP seems to be falling over themselves in a couple of states as well.

However, despite the close Presidential numbers, I just don't see Obama losing. There's a lot of time between now and 2012, and Obama for all intents and purposes has an advantage, not only incumbency-wise but organizationally as well. I also don't see the Democrats losing the Senate, which is amusing considering the bad press they've gotten in that chamber, more so than the House (though I suppose the difference is that the entire House is up for election, and less than half of the Senate is).

Either way, it shall be an interesting couple of years.
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4/16/2010 10:58:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 10:54:46 AM, Tamikajones wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the republicans cannot get better candidates.

I mean seriously is this the best we have?

Lol. Exactly what I'm thinking. I mean, the best thing the Democrats had in 2008 was a Senator with minimal political experience and only half his term filled out. And we had John McCain. It's sad.

They are all idiots. Mitt Romney probably the least, but I haven't heard him come up with any decent ideas.

Mitt Romney is the biggest idiot. By far. He instituted a national health care system in Massachusetts, commonly called Romneycare. It's basically exactly the same as Obamacare. Economically speaking, he's a mix of Bush and Obama. Foreign policy wise, he's probably about the same as Bush.

....We still have Ron Paul though.
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4/16/2010 11:01:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 10:54:46 AM, Tamikajones wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the republicans cannot get better candidates.

I mean seriously is this the best we have?

They are all idiots. Mitt Romney probably the least, but I haven't heard him come up with any decent ideas.

Yeah, I don't like him.
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4/16/2010 1:23:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Nags on Romney: Precisely.

Ron Paul or bust. We can't have our ticket look the same as theirs and the last time when we nominated a relatively moderate Republican, the conservative-talk-show base was so offended that we ended up with Sarah Palin as a VP candidate.
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4/16/2010 1:25:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 1:23:40 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Nags on Romney: Precisely.

Ron Paul or bust. We can't have our ticket look the same as theirs and the last time when we nominated a relatively moderate Republican, the conservative-talk-show base was so offended that we ended up with Sarah Palin as a VP candidate.

So the idea is to nominate a radical libertarian and alienate the moderate voters?

I see this ending up well.
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4/16/2010 1:53:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 1:25:37 PM, Volkov wrote:
So the idea is to nominate a radical libertarian and alienate the moderate voters?

Ron Paul is far from a Radical Libertarian, if you've ever been on Debate.Org before.

I see this ending up well.

You're sarcastic, but the Tea Party movement will fall in behind him, as will the talk-show conservatives and the entire bulk of the libertarian movement. Moderates will have to choose between Ron Paul and Barack Obama, and after health care reform, are more apt to elect Ron Paul than Mitt Romney, who established its equivalent.
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4/16/2010 2:01:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 1:53:26 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Ron Paul is far from a Radical Libertarian, if you've ever been on Debate.Org before.

He is a radical libertarian in the eyes of the mainstream, and you know there is no denying that. Paul would be a Goldwater-style candidate, though not as respectable.

You're sarcastic, but the Tea Party movement will fall in behind him, as will the talk-show conservatives and the entire bulk of the libertarian movement. Moderates will have to choose between Ron Paul and Barack Obama, and after health care reform, are more apt to elect Ron Paul than Mitt Romney, who established its equivalent.

Except, the Tea Party movement and the libertarian movement... these aren't big movements, lol. You fellas are a minority even among the GOP. There is no mass libertarian movement - most people are pretty much moderates who swing around on the basis of which party p*sses them off more at any one time. Hell, I'm willing to bet there are more Ralph Nader supporters out there than people you could call "ideological brethren."
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4/16/2010 2:48:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 2:01:25 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 4/16/2010 1:53:26 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Ron Paul is far from a Radical Libertarian, if you've ever been on Debate.Org before.

He is a radical libertarian in the eyes of the mainstream, and you know there is no denying that. Paul would be a Goldwater-style candidate, though not as respectable.

Goldwater lost because of the Kennedy assassination.

Except, the Tea Party movement and the libertarian movement... these aren't big movements, lol.
"18 percent of Americans identify themselves as Tea Party supporters" http://en.wikipedia.org...
I suspect an even higher percentage for registered voters.
And I never claimed that the libertarian movement was large.
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Reasoning
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4/16/2010 3:18:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 1:53:26 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Ron Paul is far from a Radical Libertarian

Ron Paul is an extremely radical libertarian.

If he wasn't he wouldn't've been Rothbard's pick.
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4/16/2010 3:37:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 2:48:52 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Goldwater lost because of the Kennedy assassination.

We both know that isn't true. Not solely, anyways.

"18 percent of Americans identify themselves as Tea Party supporters" http://en.wikipedia.org...
I suspect an even higher percentage for registered voters.

18% are supporters - we're talking members, ones who will actually get involved, and are all ideologically similar to you, which I doubt all, or even a majority, are. Too bad we don't have a break down by ideology, or at least a reliable, non-generalized one.

And I never claimed that the libertarian movement was large.

No but you did imply it, with the "banding together" talk.
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4/16/2010 3:55:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Ron paul would be 41/42. With obama

Obama is a great opportunity to show how bad socialisem is..!
When we will get closer we will have a stronger candidate I hope..!

Obama proves that bush could get even him into the white house.
Obama could get even ron paul elected..!
Its going to take a long time a lib should win
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4/16/2010 3:56:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/16/2010 3:55:43 PM, banker wrote:
When we will get closer we will have a stronger candidate I hope..!

Oh my God - banker is a Republican.

Bahahahaha. I'm never going to let any of you GOPers live this down!
banker
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4/16/2010 4:05:11 PM
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Vol despite your bieng a lib its still ok for you to try using objectivity...!

Some libs even have logical capabilities of some sort although limited
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/16/2010 4:06:50 PM
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At 4/16/2010 4:05:11 PM, banker wrote:
Vol despite your bieng a lib its still ok for you to try using objectivity...!

Some libs even have logical capabilities of some sort although limited

I want whatever you're smoking.
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4/16/2010 10:53:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
ron paul would be an awesome president. if he ran i wouldnt have an easy time in the ballot box... any other republican i would never vote for
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4/17/2010 4:13:49 AM
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At 4/16/2010 10:53:25 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
ron paul would be an awesome president. if he ran i wouldnt have an easy time in the ballot box... any other republican i would never vote for

That is nice to hear.
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4/17/2010 3:36:49 PM
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Republicans desperately need the economy to continue sucking, that is their only real hope for 2012. If unemployment comes down to 5% or so (or even 7%) then Obama will most likely win 2012.

The other thing that will continue to give the republicans points, is their propaganda machines. As long as Rush Limbaugh and the like can continue to repeat lie after lie after lie long enough for their listeners to think it is true, then they also have a chance.

http://news.harrisinteractive.com...
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4/17/2010 3:53:41 PM
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At 4/16/2010 10:53:25 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
ron paul would be an awesome president. if he ran i wouldnt have an easy time in the ballot box... any other republican i would never vote for

My sentiments exactly.
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4/17/2010 6:54:25 PM
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The only hope we have is ron paul to win I will surely vote for him
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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4/17/2010 8:16:27 PM
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Isn't it kind of odd that we represent immensely different views on politics, yet we'd all feel comfortable with Paul as Pres?
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4/17/2010 8:29:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/17/2010 8:16:27 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
Isn't it kind of odd that we represent immensely different views on politics, yet we'd all feel comfortable with Paul as Pres?

No lol. Those on the right enjoy his fiscal conservatism, and those on the left enjoy his social policies (well, his anti-war position anyway in addition to states rights sometimes being beneficial for liberals).
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