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Can Libertarians be prolife?

SitaraMusica
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10/18/2014 7:49:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 6:01:07 PM, neunari wrote:
At 10/18/2014 4:48:23 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Yes, and here is proof: http://www.libertariansforlife.org...

That'd be very un-libertarian

You are using the no true Scotsman fallacy. I proved with my link that Libertarians can be prolife.
Material_Girl
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10/19/2014 6:43:56 AM
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The right to life does not include the right to use someone else's body without their consent, even if life does begin at conception.
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10/21/2014 5:51:41 AM
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At 10/19/2014 6:43:56 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
The right to life does not include the right to use someone else's body without their consent, even if life does begin at conception.

The use of someone else's body, was not an option, but a natural condition of the fetus.
Your principle is that killing is right, if the person has violated your rights. Do you are in favor the death penalty? Because in this case the defendant committed at least one crime.

Except for rape, pregnancy is a known and accepted risk for who has sex.
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10/21/2014 6:07:50 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/19/2014 6:43:56 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
The right to life does not include the right to use someone else's body without their consent, even if life does begin at conception.

This would work in the case of rape, but if the baby was put there by the choice or act of the parents, then this argument would be like locking someone in your basement and refusing to feed them, and then saying they have no right to your food.
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10/21/2014 1:05:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/21/2014 5:51:41 AM, Lupo wrote:
At 10/19/2014 6:43:56 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
The right to life does not include the right to use someone else's body without their consent, even if life does begin at conception.

The use of someone else's body, was not an option, but a natural condition of the fetus.
Your principle is that killing is right, if the person has violated your rights. Do you are in favor the death penalty? Because in this case the defendant committed at least one crime.

Except for rape, pregnancy is a known and accepted risk for who has sex.

Why should that matter?

As a relativist and proponent of situational ethics, I'm not about to adhere to a moral principle that applies to every context. My principle is that a woman should not be forced to loan out her body to something that she doesn't want using it. A fetus, or anything, can use the body of a woman if and only if she doesn't mind it to. My opposition to the death penalty is due to anti-authoritarianism, not moral qualms.

Sex doesn't hurt anyone, and apparently, it's fun. All women should be able to have it, regardless of whether they want a child or not - and why should anyone dictate to a woman what her "responsibility," is when she has sex?
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10/21/2014 1:08:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/18/2014 4:48:23 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Yes, and here is proof: http://www.libertariansforlife.org...

It all depends on when you believe the life begins, nothing contingent on being a libertarian.
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10/21/2014 1:21:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/21/2014 6:07:50 AM, sdavio wrote:
At 10/19/2014 6:43:56 AM, Material_Girl wrote:
The right to life does not include the right to use someone else's body without their consent, even if life does begin at conception.

This would work in the case of rape, but if the baby was put there by the choice or act of the parents, then this argument would be like locking someone in your basement and refusing to feed them, and then saying they have no right to your food.

There are cases where contraceptives malfunction or aren't easily available, sex ed classes are bad so women don't know how to obtain or use contraception, the mother's life is at risk, the foetus would be handicapped if it were born...
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SitaraMusica
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10/21/2014 5:14:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/21/2014 1:08:53 PM, Cermank wrote:
At 10/18/2014 4:48:23 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Yes, and here is proof: http://www.libertariansforlife.org...

It all depends on when you believe the life begins, nothing contingent on being a libertarian.

Fair enough. I agree.