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SitaraMusica
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10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.
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10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.
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10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.
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10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.
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10/27/2014 9:15:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

http://i.imgur.com...
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10/27/2014 9:15:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

DK. It's been a while man!
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10/27/2014 9:17:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:15:07 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

DK. It's been a while man!

Same to you. I've honestly haven't much time considering I graduated from college and now have a full-time job. But it's the end of the day for me, so I figure I'd go on DDO.

So you're on your 4th reincarnation now.
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10/27/2014 9:20:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And [Hobby Lobby] did not want to ban them, they only did not want to [provide for their coverage] for their employees [insurance plans, which were part of their employees' compensation package].

You're basically right, I just added some additional things for clarity.
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10/27/2014 9:24:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Referring to the facts outlined in post 8, no, I do not think Hobby Lobby was decided correctly. I take issue with the decision on three levels:

1. Corporate personhood is a dangerous legal fiction that has been extended too far, that no court could extend religious liberty to in this way without taking, to use one of Richard Posner's choice insults, "a leave of their senses."

2. What the Hobby Lobby decision 'practically' did is give companies a religion-based line item veto to federal employment laws.

3. The notion that "religious" whatever should entitle a public company to invade the medical privacy of their employees is offensive to the right to privacy (something that, unlike corporate personhood, is not a legal fiction).
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10/27/2014 9:47:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't have a big issue with it, since I believe the current healthcare is terrible and needs to be redone. The only concern that I have is that it is not abused to just lower a company's cost. If they are doing purely for the religious point, then it has to go pretty far to cross the line.
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SitaraMusica
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10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.
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10/27/2014 9:49:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

I believe in Yeshua, but I agree. I see nothing wrong with using birth control and think health plans should cover it.
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10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...
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10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.
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10/27/2014 9:57:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:49:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

I believe in Yeshua, but I agree. I see nothing wrong with using birth control and think health plans should cover it.

mfw people actually took my sarcastic post seriously.
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SitaraMusica
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10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.
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10/27/2014 10:14:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:57:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:49:19 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

I believe in Yeshua, but I agree. I see nothing wrong with using birth control and think health plans should cover it.

mfw people actually took my sarcastic post seriously.

Lol
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10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.
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SitaraMusica
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10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.
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10/27/2014 10:23:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.

What's your point? They can exercise their rights, and the employer can exercise theirs. Just like I have the right to free speech. I can go tell my boss to go shove his face up the back end of a diarrhetic cow on a heavy bean diet, that is within my rights. It is also within his rights to fire me right after me saying so.
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10/27/2014 10:43:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.

THIS! It's too inconvenient for women to use a different birth control that Hobby Lobby reimburses, to buy a birth control themselves, or choose a different job that reimburses the birth control they want No, employers should be forced to provide birth control they don't support for moral reasons because new legislation says so. It doesn't matter that many employers didn't provide mandatory birth control a couple of years ago and this is only a recent development under the new American Affordability Care Act. This is the 21st century, get with the program.
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10/27/2014 10:52:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:43:16 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.

THIS! It's too inconvenient for women to use a different birth control that Hobby Lobby reimburses, to buy a birth control themselves, or choose a different job that reimburses the birth control they want No, employers should be forced to provide birth control they don't support for moral reasons because new legislation says so. It doesn't matter that many employers didn't provide mandatory birth control a couple of years ago and this is only a recent development under the new American Affordability Care Act. This is the 21st century, get with the program.

Not your body? Not your choice. Women have the right to prevent a pregnancy.
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10/27/2014 10:54:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:23:00 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.

What's your point? They can exercise their rights, and the employer can exercise theirs. Just like I have the right to free speech. I can go tell my boss to go shove his face up the back end of a diarrhetic cow on a heavy bean diet, that is within my rights. It is also within his rights to fire me right after me saying so.
My point is that employers have no right to the bodies of their employers. People have the right to choose from the moment of their conception.
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10/27/2014 10:57:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 9:17:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:15:07 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

DK. It's been a while man!

Same to you. I've honestly haven't much time considering I graduated from college and now have a full-time job. But it's the end of the day for me, so I figure I'd go on DDO.

So you're on your 4th reincarnation now.

Ya. I keep on losing my old passwords so here I am. Where are you on the political spectrum these days?
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10/27/2014 11:06:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:57:41 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:17:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:15:07 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

DK. It's been a while man!

Same to you. I've honestly haven't much time considering I graduated from college and now have a full-time job. But it's the end of the day for me, so I figure I'd go on DDO.

So you're on your 4th reincarnation now.

Ya. I keep on losing my old passwords so here I am. Where are you on the political spectrum these days?

Pretty steady. I'm still pretty much right-libertarian leaning. I've become somewhat authoritative in nature but haven't turned to the blue side of the political compass. You?
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10/27/2014 11:08:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:54:47 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:23:00 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.

What's your point? They can exercise their rights, and the employer can exercise theirs. Just like I have the right to free speech. I can go tell my boss to go shove his face up the back end of a diarrhetic cow on a heavy bean diet, that is within my rights. It is also within his rights to fire me right after me saying so.
My point is that employers have no right to the bodies of their employers. People have the right to choose from the moment of their conception.

Agreed. Only employees have the right to the employers body. The employer has no right to the body of their own employer.
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10/27/2014 11:11:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 10:54:47 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:23:00 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.

What's your point? They can exercise their rights, and the employer can exercise theirs. Just like I have the right to free speech. I can go tell my boss to go shove his face up the back end of a diarrhetic cow on a heavy bean diet, that is within my rights. It is also within his rights to fire me right after me saying so.
My point is that employers have no right to the bodies of their employers. People have the right to choose from the moment of their conception.

The employer does if they are a Pimp.
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10/27/2014 11:11:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 11:06:10 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:57:41 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:17:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:15:07 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

DK. It's been a while man!

Same to you. I've honestly haven't much time considering I graduated from college and now have a full-time job. But it's the end of the day for me, so I figure I'd go on DDO.

So you're on your 4th reincarnation now.

Ya. I keep on losing my old passwords so here I am. Where are you on the political spectrum these days?

Pretty steady. I'm still pretty much right-libertarian leaning. I've become somewhat authoritative in nature but haven't turned to the blue side of the political compass. You?

Still libertarianish but less so that I used to be. Still understand biology about race so I'm still a horrible racist too.
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10/27/2014 11:13:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 11:11:26 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 11:06:10 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:57:41 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:17:17 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:15:07 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:07:36 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:01:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

There were a number (I think 22, but that is just off the top of my head... Or out of my arse. One of those) of birth controls that the ACA required. Hobby Lobby objected to 4 of those and had no issues with the rest. And the did not want to ban them, they only did not want to be paying for them for their employees.

Pay no attention to this tea party propaganda, Hobby Lobby is clearly just evil that wants to turn American into a christrian theocracy.

DK. It's been a while man!

Same to you. I've honestly haven't much time considering I graduated from college and now have a full-time job. But it's the end of the day for me, so I figure I'd go on DDO.

So you're on your 4th reincarnation now.

Ya. I keep on losing my old passwords so here I am. Where are you on the political spectrum these days?

Pretty steady. I'm still pretty much right-libertarian leaning. I've become somewhat authoritative in nature but haven't turned to the blue side of the political compass. You?

Still libertarianish but less so that I used to be. Still understand biology about race so I'm still a horrible racist too.

jimmy, accept my friend request, so I can speak to you in the PM
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10/27/2014 11:17:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/27/2014 11:11:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:54:47 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:23:00 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:20:21 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:16:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 10:03:58 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:57:01 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:50:54 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 9:47:39 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:58:41 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2014 8:57:25 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
Why does Hobby Lobby want to ban birth control? I am against abortion, but not birth control. If a woman wants to prevent a pregnancy, she has that right.

It doesn't want to ban birth control.

Prove it. Hobby Lobby is refusing to cover birth control. That is the whole point if the case.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net...

1) there are only a small number of birth control that HL doesn't want covered. It is not all birth control.

2) they do not want it banned, only that they do not want to pay for its coverage to their employees.

Hobby Lobby has no right to force there religious beliefs on other people. What birth control a woman uses is between her doctor, her partner, and her.

Never said they did, I was countering your false claim that they want to ban birth control. They do, however, have the right to employ who they want, fire who they want, and can stipulate terms of employment that others are free to accept or decline.

Employees have rights too. There is nothing wrong with using birth control. Women have the right to prevent pregnancy.

What's your point? They can exercise their rights, and the employer can exercise theirs. Just like I have the right to free speech. I can go tell my boss to go shove his face up the back end of a diarrhetic cow on a heavy bean diet, that is within my rights. It is also within his rights to fire me right after me saying so.
My point is that employers have no right to the bodies of their employers. People have the right to choose from the moment of their conception.

The employer does if they are a Pimp.

No one has the right to another person's body.