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10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.
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10/30/2014 6:01:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Yet nobody ever seems to talk about the effect that American Eugenics had on Hitler and the Nazi's ideas and eventually actions.

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10/30/2014 8:57:15 PM
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It's pretty well-known that the Nazi's favoured the Aryan race above all and wanted to implement complete domination of it throughout Germany and surrounding countries. This was a large contribution in persecution of minorities such as the Jews and Roma gypsies, however--there were other factors. Nazi Germany also targeted those with certain religious and political affiliations. The Jews were also blamed for economic struggle, but naturally this is something Germany inflicted upon itself through the imitation of World War One and the obvious repercussions that would come with it.

As for your statements about intermarriage, it wasn't actually that common. The Ashkenazi community were a fairly select group in Germany--who largely stayed together in marriage and other matters.
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10/31/2014 6:42:18 AM
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The national socialist party was something I might call an alternative religion, but "religion" has connotations of being something good so I won't.

Their prophet was a psychic with a name like Madame Blatavsky. She had the ability to see a million years into the past. Back then there were 2 kinds of humans, the Arayans and those other races.
The problems that the German people had, were believed to be due to having ancestors from both the Arayans and the darker peoples of the world. Pure blooded Arayans were so superior that they could fix anything.
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10/31/2014 12:33:42 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/30/2014 8:57:15 PM, Emilrose wrote:
It's pretty well-known that the Nazi's favoured the Aryan race above all and wanted to implement complete domination of it throughout Germany and surrounding countries. This was a large contribution in persecution of minorities such as the Jews and Roma gypsies, however--there were other factors. Nazi Germany also targeted those with certain religious and political affiliations. The Jews were also blamed for economic struggle, but naturally this is something Germany inflicted upon itself through the imitation of World War One and the obvious repercussions that would come with it.

As for your statements about intermarriage, it wasn't actually that common. The Ashkenazi community were a fairly select group in Germany--who largely stayed together in marriage and other matters.

It must've been, if just about every German Jew at that time looked White.
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10/31/2014 3:35:41 PM
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At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Claiming that Poles are not whites must be a joke , Hitler's hatred of the Slavs was political, He wanted to expand Germany East to create 'Living Space' for the Germanic people.
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10/31/2014 3:36:35 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 3:35:41 PM, SebUK wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Claiming that Poles are not whites must be a joke , Hitler's hatred of the Slavs was political, He wanted to expand Germany East to create 'Living Space' for the Germanic people.

I'm pretty sure that some Slavic groups descended from Asia.
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10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?
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10/31/2014 3:53:43 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
You might be confusing the Nazis with the KKK.
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10/31/2014 3:54:55 PM
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At 10/31/2014 3:36:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:35:41 PM, SebUK wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Claiming that Poles are not whites must be a joke , Hitler's hatred of the Slavs was political, He wanted to expand Germany East to create 'Living Space' for the Germanic people.

I'm pretty sure that some Slavic groups descended from Asia.

What's your evidence? I quote from another forum 'In terms of a "Slavic homeland", linguistic and anthropological researchers have not come to a general consensus. The hypotheses that I know about include an origin in the Danube Basin, Northern Ukraine, or in the vicinity of Poland.

Pinpointing such a homeland is extremely troublesome, as the first recorded references to the Slavs came from around the 6th century AD, (by the Byzantines) and the earliest surviving examples of a written Slavic language is from the 9th century AD (translations of religions literature into Old Church Slavonic).' -(http://s1.zetaboards.com...) . Even StormFront recognises Alpines as being one of the three major White subgroups (Amongst Nordics and Mediterraneans) although there are different opinions , some say Slavs are Indo-European others that they may be Alpine. 'Of all the Indo-European peoples who carved out new homelands for themselves in Europe during the Neolithic and the early Bronze Age, the ancestors of the Slavs stayed closest to the ancient homeland in the steppes of southern Russia. Some 100 to 200 miles north of the Black Sea the Pontic steppe of ancient times merged into a region of mixed forest and grassland, more suitable for farming and less for grazing than the steppe itself. It was into this region, centered on the middle Dnieper basin and stretching some 600 miles from the Carpathians in the west to the upper Donets basin in the east, roughly from modern Lvov to Kharkov, that the Indo-European ancestors of the Slavs moved prior to 2,000 B.C.

Despite their proximity to the old homeland, however, these proto-Slavs apparently made a more complete transformation in lifestyle, from wide-ranging mounted warriors and pastoralists to settled farmers, than any other Indo-European group. Although their nobility in later times -- actually the descendants of their Scythian conquerors -- rode horses, the Slavs entered history on foot rather than on horseback like the other Indo-Europeans.' - (https://www.stormfront.org...). 'Their affinity to Mongoloids was greatly overstated by Hitler and others who simply did not know their range of variability.'.
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10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.
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10/31/2014 4:00:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 3:36:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:35:41 PM, SebUK wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Claiming that Poles are not whites must be a joke , Hitler's hatred of the Slavs was political, He wanted to expand Germany East to create 'Living Space' for the Germanic people.

I'm pretty sure that some Slavic groups descended from Asia.

Wait a minute, if Germany didn't like Italy or Japan, then why were Mussolini and Hirohito go friends with the Fuherer?

Plus, Hitler's war against Denmark goes back to the whole Schsewelig situation. And there was strong anti-German bias in Denmark. So much so that film reels called Germans "Krauts."
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10/31/2014 4:00:43 PM
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At 10/31/2014 3:54:55 PM, SebUK wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:36:35 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:35:41 PM, SebUK wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Claiming that Poles are not whites must be a joke , Hitler's hatred of the Slavs was political, He wanted to expand Germany East to create 'Living Space' for the Germanic people.

I'm pretty sure that some Slavic groups descended from Asia.

What's your evidence? I quote from another forum 'In terms of a "Slavic homeland", linguistic and anthropological researchers have not come to a general consensus. The hypotheses that I know about include an origin in the Danube Basin, Northern Ukraine, or in the vicinity of Poland.

Pinpointing such a homeland is extremely troublesome, as the first recorded references to the Slavs came from around the 6th century AD, (by the Byzantines) and the earliest surviving examples of a written Slavic language is from the 9th century AD (translations of religions literature into Old Church Slavonic).' -(http://s1.zetaboards.com...) . Even StormFront recognises Alpines as being one of the three major White subgroups (Amongst Nordics and Mediterraneans) although there are different opinions , some say Slavs are Indo-European others that they may be Alpine. 'Of all the Indo-European peoples who carved out new homelands for themselves in Europe during the Neolithic and the early Bronze Age, the ancestors of the Slavs stayed closest to the ancient homeland in the steppes of southern Russia. Some 100 to 200 miles north of the Black Sea the Pontic steppe of ancient times merged into a region of mixed forest and grassland, more suitable for farming and less for grazing than the steppe itself. It was into this region, centered on the middle Dnieper basin and stretching some 600 miles from the Carpathians in the west to the upper Donets basin in the east, roughly from modern Lvov to Kharkov, that the Indo-European ancestors of the Slavs moved prior to 2,000 B.C.

Despite their proximity to the old homeland, however, these proto-Slavs apparently made a more complete transformation in lifestyle, from wide-ranging mounted warriors and pastoralists to settled farmers, than any other Indo-European group. Although their nobility in later times -- actually the descendants of their Scythian conquerors -- rode horses, the Slavs entered history on foot rather than on horseback like the other Indo-Europeans.' - (https://www.stormfront.org...). 'Their affinity to Mongoloids was greatly overstated by Hitler and others who simply did not know their range of variability.'.

Well, perhaps they didn't know how white the Poles actually were. Or, like you said, they had political reasons for hating the Poles.
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10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve
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10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".
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10/31/2014 4:05:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

German Jews typically had black hair.
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10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.
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10/31/2014 4:09:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

I have my questions about the one-drop rule, but I'm sure America was originally a Nordic country. Plus plenty of old stock Americans don't consider Italians, Germans, Spaniards, white too
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10/31/2014 4:10:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Along with calling Germans "Krauts," the Scots also called Italians "wops," and thought Mussolini was also a threat to America, much like they thought of Hitler. They also called Japanese "japs" (derogatory) and thought Hirohito was a threat.
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10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.
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10/31/2014 4:21:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

http://static.giantbomb.com...
http://www.radioislam.org...
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com...
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
These guys don't look Nordic to you?
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10/31/2014 4:23:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:21:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

http://static.giantbomb.com...
http://www.radioislam.org...
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com...
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
These guys don't look Nordic to you?

Only the little girl in the picture probably designed to stereotype and insult Jews looked blonde, and she was probably half white. The rest either have white or brown hair.
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10/31/2014 4:24:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

It's not the skin that mattered to them , It was genes , Ultimatly it didn't matter how the jews looked like as European jews were simply not white enough genetically , but really it was blind hatred that rose out of rumours that led to the rise of the Nazi Party.
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10/31/2014 4:24:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

Actual ethnic Israelis
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.israel21c.org...
http://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com...
These guys don't look Nordic to you either?
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10/31/2014 4:26:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:23:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:21:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

http://static.giantbomb.com...
http://www.radioislam.org...
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com...
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
These guys don't look Nordic to you?

Only the little girl in the picture probably designed to stereotype and insult Jews looked blonde, and she was probably half white. The rest either have white or brown hair.

Hair means nothing. I look at facial features. Most of the ones I've given you have the Nordic traits -- small eyes. The lips are the same size as the eyes
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10/31/2014 4:26:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:24:37 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

Actual ethnic Israelis
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.israel21c.org...
http://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com...
These guys don't look Nordic to you either?

If by Nordic you mean Blond, then no.
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10/31/2014 4:28:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:24:37 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

Actual ethnic Israelis
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.israel21c.org...
http://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com...
These guys don't look Nordic to you either?

Speilburg has Nordic hair -- white hair.
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10/31/2014 4:28:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:26:25 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:23:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:21:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

http://static.giantbomb.com...
http://www.radioislam.org...
http://cdn.frontpagemag.com...
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
These guys don't look Nordic to you?

Only the little girl in the picture probably designed to stereotype and insult Jews looked blonde, and she was probably half white. The rest either have white or brown hair.

Hair means nothing. I look at facial features. Most of the ones I've given you have the Nordic traits -- small eyes. The lips are the same size as the eyes

You assume that Nordics are the only people with small eyes.
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10/31/2014 4:29:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:28:31 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:26:25 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:23:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:21:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

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These guys don't look Nordic to you?

Only the little girl in the picture probably designed to stereotype and insult Jews looked blonde, and she was probably half white. The rest either have white or brown hair.

Hair means nothing. I look at facial features. Most of the ones I've given you have the Nordic traits -- small eyes. The lips are the same size as the eyes

You assume that Nordics are the only people with small eyes.

Scandinavian, Germanic people have, on average, small eyes and lips the same size as their eyes. Thin.

Yes.

Most of the Nazis, Hitler, included did not look that.
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10/31/2014 4:30:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 10/31/2014 4:28:01 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:24:37 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:17:51 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:07:48 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:04:28 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 4:03:10 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:58:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 10/31/2014 3:53:08 PM, Adam2isback wrote:
At 10/30/2014 5:09:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Nazis were, at their core, White Supremacists. They believed that the "Nordics" (whites with blond hair and blue eyes) were the "pure whites", the "true white race". They believed the "Aryans" (the forerunners of the White Race according to their pseudoscience) to have mystical origins, possibly even Atlantis!
The reason they hated the Jews and the Gypsies so much was because these groups had implanted themselves in White society, and many of them had intermarried with the local Whites. The Nazis saw this as a problem because both the Jews and the Gypsies came from Asia and weren't originally White. They may have also believed that certain Slavic peoples descended from Asia, possibly explaining their hatred of the Poles. Basically what the Nazis wanted was a New World Order of Nordic White domination and also a maintenance of "white purity".

While publicly professing Christianity to stay popular with the Christian majority German populace, privately the Nazis hated Christianity because it was seen as Jewish and nonwhite. In a way it was. The Nazis stressed alternatives to Christianity, such as Germanic paganism, which was obviously a "white religion" (and also a bunch of primitive crap).

Now, there were White people in many countries, including Germany's nearest neighbors, but the Nazis exalted Germany above all other countries. Why was this? Well, mixed in with their White Supremacist beliefs was German Nationalism. Germany had quite the awesome empire before World War One ended. After that, Germany became a pretty crappy place to live, and the Allies had caused much of that through the Treaty of Versailles. Many Germans wanted to see a return to the glory days, and the militaristic Nazis would see to this.
But why did the Nazis see Germany as superior? Well, most likely it was a matter of homeland bias. It's also possible that they saw Germans as more "pure white" than the rest of the White world.

The Nazis were authoritarian in nature, and they believed fascism and society enforcing the proper "white values" to be the best thing for the Fatherland. Also, Germany had been under a dictatorship up until World War I, so perhaps they wanted to see a return to that, as it was associated with the glory days.

Now, the Nazis did seem to hold a special hatred for the Jewish race. This was due to multiple factors. As stated above, they were seen as degenerative to the White race. But also, their was the belief that the Jews were trying to take over the world, a belief justified by "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a book that claimed to be exposing a Jewish plot to take over the world. Perhaps in some way the Nazis saw themselves as revolutionaries, the resistance, determined to put an end to the alleged Jewish domination. Also, German Jews prior to the Holocaust were unusually wealthy, so this may have made such a conspiracy seem more feasible. It probably stemmed from jealousy over Jewish wealth as well.
One of the biggest contributors to Anti-Semitism in Germany at that time, however, was the belief that the Jews "stabbed Germany in the back" during World War I, causing Germany to lose. After all, only a few months before Germany's defeat most Germans were still confident that Germany would win the war. Their sudden defeat, people reasoned, had to have been because a group of people living within Germany had "stabbed them in the back". And who was a better scapegoat than the Jews, who Europeans everywhere had hated since the Medieval era?

That which we can all agree on, of course, is that the Nazis carried out much evil, and that it is a very good thing that they were defeated.

Really? Then explain Hitler's alliance with Italy and Japan. And why did they invade Denmark, and why were they really trying to invade Britain if they were so Nordic?

Well, I'm sure that the Nazis didn't actually like Italy and Japan. But they needed allies in their war of global conquest. Sure enough, thanks to Japan, the United States was unable to direct all of its resources towards attacking Germany, and Italy helped Germany too, especially in North Africa.
As for why the Nazis attacked Denmark and Britain, they wanted to conquer everyone and build a German Empire. They probably never took into account that the Danish people were more "pure white" than they were. As for Britain, well, after World War I they just hated Britain.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was for German nationalism, not Nordicism. Nordicism was strictly a KKK belief. It was America that didn't want any of the non-Northern European ethnic groups in the country.

Besides, most of the Jews in Germany were more Nordic looking than German folks themselve

You are aware that the original KKK consisted of Post-Confederate hicks, right? They probably weren't all "Nordic".

Um, yes they were. Most of the KKK (who weren't just Confederates by the way, if anything, there were more Yankee KKK members) were of Scottish ancestry. The Lowlands of Scotland is one of the most Nordic parts of Britain, perhaps the most.

Plus you also have to account for the fact that the KKK didn't want any non-Scottish immigrants into America. Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Chinese, Greeks, Arabs, all suffered persecution when walking into America.

Again Scotland is Nordic.

Lots of Jews had blonde hair too.

Plus you don't have to have blonde hair to be Nordic. What about the redheads? What about the black haired Nordic folks. Most Jews have very small eyes and about their lips are the same size. Lots of Jews look like Malin Akerman.

Blond haired Jew? One who isn't half White? Please show me an example of such a person.

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These guys don't look Nordic to you either?

Speilburg has Nordic hair -- white hair.

Old people have white hair.
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