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SitaraMusica
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11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM
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If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.
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11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM
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At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.
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11/2/2014 8:36:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

More like if you don't like getting caught, don't molest children.
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11/2/2014 8:37:53 PM
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At 11/2/2014 8:36:02 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

More like if you don't like getting caught, don't molest children.

They usually get away with it for a long time, actually.
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11/2/2014 9:08:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

If you don't like rape, don't rape people.
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11/2/2014 9:10:06 PM
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At 11/2/2014 9:08:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

If you don't like rape, don't rape people.

Exactly! We need to be tolerant of the alternate lifestyles of rapists and lipodiverse people.
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SitaraMusica
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11/2/2014 9:26:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

That is a bigoted thing to say. two consenting adults getting married has nothing to do with child rape.
SitaraMusica
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11/2/2014 9:27:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:08:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

If you don't like rape, don't rape people.

Not all gays are rapists. Gay couples getting married has nothing to do with rape.
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11/2/2014 9:28:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

What an original argument!
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11/2/2014 9:29:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

I actually lol'd at this
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11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM
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At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.
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11/2/2014 9:36:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

How is being gay comparable to being a pedophile?
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Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."
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11/2/2014 9:38:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:36:22 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

How is being gay comparable to being a pedophile?

No doubt they will use religion to justify their bigotry.
SitaraMusica
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11/2/2014 9:39:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.

I am not forcing churches to marry them. I am just saying that gays should be able to get married elsewhere if they want.
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11/2/2014 9:47:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:39:48 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.

I am not forcing churches to marry them. I am just saying that gays should be able to get married elsewhere if they want.

Well if gay marriage is going to be respected, then those who are part of the pro gay marriage stance need to stop protesting against churches and sewing catering companies for not servicing them.
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11/2/2014 9:48:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:39:48 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.

I am not forcing churches to marry them. I am just saying that gays should be able to get married elsewhere if they want.

How far does a religious exemption exist, then? For instance, if a church has a gym or something similar that they'll rent out for receptions and conferences and the like (provided they align with the church worldview, of course), and a gay couple wants to rent it for their wedding. Should the church be required to host the gay wedding on it's property?
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11/2/2014 10:12:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:48:15 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:39:48 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.

I am not forcing churches to marry them. I am just saying that gays should be able to get married elsewhere if they want.

How far does a religious exemption exist, then? For instance, if a church has a gym or something similar that they'll rent out for receptions and conferences and the like (provided they align with the church worldview, of course), and a gay couple wants to rent it for their wedding. Should the church be required to host the gay wedding on it's property?

No. I do not want to force churches to help gays get married. I just want to provide the chance for gays to get married in a courthouse. I am bisexual. If I fall in love with a woman and she is willing, I can find a gay friendly church or get married in a courthouse.
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11/2/2014 10:28:06 PM
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At 11/2/2014 9:36:22 PM, SamStevens wrote:
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

How is being gay comparable to being a pedophile?

We weren't makong that comparison. We were making an example of the "if you don't like X then don't do X" as a poor line of logic. It is known as reduction to the absurd.
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11/2/2014 10:35:18 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 10:12:20 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:48:15 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:39:48 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.

I am not forcing churches to marry them. I am just saying that gays should be able to get married elsewhere if they want.

How far does a religious exemption exist, then? For instance, if a church has a gym or something similar that they'll rent out for receptions and conferences and the like (provided they align with the church worldview, of course), and a gay couple wants to rent it for their wedding. Should the church be required to host the gay wedding on it's property?

No. I do not want to force churches to help gays get married. I just want to provide the chance for gays to get married in a courthouse. I am bisexual. If I fall in love with a woman and she is willing, I can find a gay friendly church or get married in a courthouse.

In that case I don't have much to argue about. I will say you are a minority opinion in the pro gay-marriage side in that scenario, however.
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11/2/2014 11:08:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:26:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 7:28:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Good advice. If you don't like pedophiles, don't molest children.

That is a bigoted thing to say. two consenting adults getting married has nothing to do with child rape.

I'm not saying that the two acts are the same thing, or on the same scale. What I am pointing out, however, is that your argument is invalid, as everything you said in the OP could be applied to pedophilia. And none of that is reason to justify pedophilia.
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11/2/2014 11:10:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:39:48 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.

I am not forcing churches to marry them. I am just saying that gays should be able to get married elsewhere if they want.

Really? Because what I've heard is that in at least one European nation churches are forced to marry any gay couple which wants to be married there.
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11/2/2014 11:11:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 9:47:55 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:39:48 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/2/2014 9:30:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

Don't force churches to marry them if they don't want to then.

I am not forcing churches to marry them. I am just saying that gays should be able to get married elsewhere if they want.

Well if gay marriage is going to be respected, then those who are part of the pro gay marriage stance need to stop protesting against churches and sueing catering companies for not servicing them.

Fixed (spelling Nazi strikes again!)
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11/3/2014 9:51:52 AM
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The thing about gays are like pedophiles is just sarcasm, but gays are not completely unlike pedophiles in that their sexuality is not considered normal.
Now if I am talking about someone else's sexuality, it is none of my business. However, people will judge you, and if they think you are doing wrong , they won't think you have a right to do it.
e.g. Jerry Lee Lewis went to England and brought his wife with him. Their relationship was considered normal in the part of Louisiana they were from, but the English would not tolerate it.
She was his cousin and she looked young enough to be his daughter, so they thought he was not unlike a naughty uncle who would commit statutory rape and incest, when the lights went out.
Their opinion was she was a child, and even if all the people who lived in the swamp his home was in thought she was his wife, she was still a child.
If a straight man thought children were sexy and he had this cute little 15 year old girlfriend who was his fiance' ,they would not be considered to be 2 consenting adults of the opposite sex, so he could not get a marriage license.
Now if he says he has redefined marriage as 1 adult and 1 consenting child, nobody will agree with him.
Now that gays have redefined marriage and gotten away with it, they appear to have 1 more right than straight people have.
If a straight guy wanted to redefine marriage and he removed the word "consenting" or "adult" and married a fiance' he kidnapped, or a child, he would not get away with it, nor would some guy who changed it to 3 consenting adults and described himself as a Mormon so his right to freedom of religion allows him to marry another woman. People would remove the 2nd m when they described him.
So, why can the gays lose the part about being of the opposite sex?
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11/3/2014 5:42:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

If you dont like legalized rape, then dont rape but let the others rape
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11/3/2014 5:44:31 PM
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At 11/3/2014 5:42:26 PM, Redspectre wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

If you dont like legalized rape, then dont rape but let the others rape

Same sex marriage does not lead to rape.
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11/3/2014 5:46:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/3/2014 9:51:52 AM, chaedd wrote:
The thing about gays are like pedophiles is just sarcasm, but gays are not completely unlike pedophiles in that their sexuality is not considered normal.
Now if I am talking about someone else's sexuality, it is none of my business. However, people will judge you, and if they think you are doing wrong , they won't think you have a right to do it.
e.g. Jerry Lee Lewis went to England and brought his wife with him. Their relationship was considered normal in the part of Louisiana they were from, but the English would not tolerate it.
She was his cousin and she looked young enough to be his daughter, so they thought he was not unlike a naughty uncle who would commit statutory rape and incest, when the lights went out.
Their opinion was she was a child, and even if all the people who lived in the swamp his home was in thought she was his wife, she was still a child.
If a straight man thought children were sexy and he had this cute little 15 year old girlfriend who was his fiance' ,they would not be considered to be 2 consenting adults of the opposite sex, so he could not get a marriage license.
Now if he says he has redefined marriage as 1 adult and 1 consenting child, nobody will agree with him.
Now that gays have redefined marriage and gotten away with it, they appear to have 1 more right than straight people have.
If a straight guy wanted to redefine marriage and he removed the word "consenting" or "adult" and married a fiance' he kidnapped, or a child, he would not get away with it, nor would some guy who changed it to 3 consenting adults and described himself as a Mormon so his right to freedom of religion allows him to marry another woman. People would remove the 2nd m when they described him.
So, why can the gays lose the part about being of the opposite sex?

Same sex marriage is nothing like child rape. Love is love if it is two consenting adults.
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11/3/2014 5:47:37 PM
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At 11/3/2014 5:44:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/3/2014 5:42:26 PM, Redspectre wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

If you dont like legalized rape, then dont rape but let the others rape

Same sex marriage does not lead to rape.

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net...
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11/3/2014 5:49:14 PM
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At 11/3/2014 5:47:37 PM, Redspectre wrote:
At 11/3/2014 5:44:31 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
At 11/3/2014 5:42:26 PM, Redspectre wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

If you dont like legalized rape, then dont rape but let the others rape

Same sex marriage does not lead to rape.

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net...

You need to stop trolling and debate the facts. It is bigoted to compare same sex marriage to rape.
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11/3/2014 6:04:25 PM
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At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

The problem (one of many) with the libertarian perspective (which I am assuming you have) is that some people might derive pleasure from opposing same-sex marriage. Not me, but it's a possibility. Also, those "rights" were invented by people in a movement- how are those "rights" objective? How are we all entitled to them? Some people believe God is a human construct; who is to say that "unalienable rights" are not?
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11/3/2014 6:14:17 PM
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At 11/3/2014 6:04:25 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 11/2/2014 6:30:43 PM, SitaraMusica wrote:
If you do not like same sex marriage, do not marry someone of the same sex. Gays have the same right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as anyone else.

The problem (one of many) with the libertarian perspective (which I am assuming you have) is that some people might derive pleasure from opposing same-sex marriage. Not me, but it's a possibility. Also, those "rights" were invented by people in a movement- how are those "rights" objective? How are we all entitled to them? Some people believe God is a human construct; who is to say that "unalienable rights" are not?

I agree.