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11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...
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11/10/2014 11:31:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Office isn't the same as the person.
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11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that. Otherwise, it would seem your comparison is false, given that interrupting the president while he's presidenting is far more disrespectful to the office than, say, making fun of him the next day. When even John "Calls his wife a C*** in front of the Press Corp" McCain says you were too disrepectful, I think that it's pretty clear.

For bonus points, how many prominent liberals publicly hoped he'd fail before he'd even taken office?
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11/10/2014 2:03:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that.

Maybe not to call him a liar.. but to interrupt? yes.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...

Further, I don't like the SOTU speech being a one-way speech directed to the TV cameras...

He's supposedly going to Address the Congress, I think it would be better if this took the form of actual conversation rather than a political tool.

see the Brits: https://www.youtube.com...
Otherwise, it would seem your comparison is false, given that interrupting the president while he's presidenting is far more disrespectful to the office than, say, making fun of him the next day. When even John "Calls his wife a C*** in front of the Press Corp" McCain says you were too disrepectful, I think that it's pretty clear.

For bonus points, how many prominent liberals publicly hoped he'd fail before he'd even taken office?
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11/10/2014 2:17:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 2:03:30 PM, mortsdor wrote:
At 11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that.

Maybe not to call him a liar.. but to interrupt? yes.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...

Cheering's a little different, though, don't you think? Granted, they weren't cheering at the "right spot", but cheering is generally considered acceptable.

Further, I don't like the SOTU speech being a one-way speech directed to the TV cameras...

He's supposedly going to Address the Congress, I think it would be better if this took the form of actual conversation rather than a political tool.

see the Brits: https://www.youtube.com...
Otherwise, it would seem your comparison is false, given that interrupting the president while he's presidenting is far more disrespectful to the office than, say, making fun of him the next day. When even John "Calls his wife a C*** in front of the Press Corp" McCain says you were too disrepectful, I think that it's pretty clear.

For bonus points, how many prominent liberals publicly hoped he'd fail before he'd even taken office?
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11/10/2014 2:20:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that. Otherwise, it would seem your comparison is false, given that interrupting the president while he's presidenting is far more disrespectful to the office than, say, making fun of him the next day. When even John "Calls his wife a C*** in front of the Press Corp" McCain says you were too disrepectful, I think that it's pretty clear.

For bonus points, how many prominent liberals publicly hoped he'd fail before he'd even taken office?

http://news.yahoo.com...
Skip the article and read the comments.

As for the question you asked, I cannot answer that question, as I didn't really keep up with the news in my younger years, but I am sure that plenty of Democrats expressed their hatred for President Bush.
Still, though, I do agree that people should show more respect to their president, regardless of what party he's with.
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11/10/2014 2:23:41 PM
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At 11/10/2014 2:20:07 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that. Otherwise, it would seem your comparison is false, given that interrupting the president while he's presidenting is far more disrespectful to the office than, say, making fun of him the next day. When even John "Calls his wife a C*** in front of the Press Corp" McCain says you were too disrepectful, I think that it's pretty clear.

For bonus points, how many prominent liberals publicly hoped he'd fail before he'd even taken office?

http://news.yahoo.com...
Skip the article and read the comments.

Can you be more specific? I see a good deal of post-presidency vitriol...was there somethign specific?

As for the question you asked, I cannot answer that question, as I didn't really keep up with the news in my younger years, but I am sure that plenty of Democrats expressed their hatred for President Bush.

That's not what I asked, though.

Still, though, I do agree that people should show more respect to their president, regardless of what party he's with.

I think that there are things beyond the pale--like interrupting his speech to call him a liar--and I think elected officials should maintain a level of decorum. I don't think the general populace does, and I don't even fault Limbaugh that much for his "I hope he fails" comment, though I used it to indicate lopsidedness.
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11/10/2014 2:32:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 2:17:55 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 2:03:30 PM, mortsdor wrote:
At 11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that.

Maybe not to call him a liar.. but to interrupt? yes.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com...

Cheering's a little different, though, don't you think?
no.
Granted, they weren't cheering at the "right spot", but cheering is generally considered acceptable.

they were purposefully, and forcefully, interjecting to show their disagreement.

Slightly different perhaps than purposefully and forcefully interjecting to say that the president's not only on the wrong side, but is being disingenuous..
but not by much...

and it was practically the whole democratic side of the congress that did it, as opposed to one guy.
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11/10/2014 2:35:23 PM
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You may disrespect the person holding the office, but still respect the office itself.
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11/10/2014 2:46:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that.
I don't know, I don't watch SotU.

Otherwise, it would seem your comparison is false, given that interrupting the president while he's presidenting is far more disrespectful to the office than, say, making fun of him the next day.

Very much agreed.

For bonus points, how many prominent liberals publicly hoped he'd fail before he'd even taken office?

That's taken out of context and just unfair.
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11/10/2014 2:47:27 PM
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At 11/10/2014 2:32:57 PM, mortsdor wrote:
and it was practically the whole democratic side of the congress that did it, as opposed to one guy.

There was noise in the background before the comment as well....

but the democrats in the SOTU address I posted clearly had planned their sustained, and repeated interruption of the speech beforehand as a group.

Decorum aside,
I think part of this is a problem with how the SOTU has been used by presidents in recent years as a political tool to speak to America broadly and present a one-sided view of things to push their partisan agenda.

It would be better I think if they had to have an explicit Q&A with the congress instead of just deliver their message.
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11/10/2014 3:20:00 PM
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At 11/10/2014 2:46:45 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/10/2014 1:45:05 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
At 11/10/2014 9:23:37 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
How can they expect us to take them seriously whenever many Americans openly disrespected President Bush? Heck, this very article insults Bush!
http://qz.com...

Democrats stood up during Bush's speech to congress and interrupted him to call him a liar? Must've missed that.
I don't know, I don't watch SotU.

Otherwise, it would seem your comparison is false, given that interrupting the president while he's presidenting is far more disrespectful to the office than, say, making fun of him the next day.

Very much agreed.

For bonus points, how many prominent liberals publicly hoped he'd fail before he'd even taken office?

That's taken out of context and just unfair.

How? What Context did Limbaugh provide? I was referencing the thing noted in the article of the OP: Limbaugh expressing he hoped Obama failed 4 days pre-inauguration.

I was asking for something similar, given the OP's statement.
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11/10/2014 3:38:00 PM
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At 11/10/2014 3:20:00 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:

How? What Context did Limbaugh provide? I was referencing the thing noted in the article of the OP: Limbaugh expressing he hoped Obama failed 4 days pre-inauguration.

I was asking for something similar, given the OP's statement.

Limbaugh meant his policies, as Obama had laid out what he was going to do.
Hell, he was working with Congress to hit the floor running when he took office.
To imply that, because it was 4 days before inauguration, it is an pre-emptive attack is just bad form.
Not that that's what you did, but the article.
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11/10/2014 3:40:46 PM
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At 11/10/2014 3:20:00 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:
How? What Context did Limbaugh provide? I was referencing the thing noted in the article of the OP: Limbaugh expressing he hoped Obama failed 4 days pre-inauguration.

firstly to suggest that Limbaugh, the outrageous partisan talk show host, should be expected not to be outrageous, is itself outrageous.

Secondly...

his statement wasn't all that outrageous :/

He suggests that given what he believes Obama will pursue, goals which he disagrees with, he hopes he fails in succeeding at those goals.

He wasn't saying that he doesn't want him to do a good job, he clarified that he wouldn't want him to succeed at doing things he disagrees with...
he wouldn't want him to succeed at doing things which he thinks would be bad.

https://www.youtube.com...
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11/10/2014 3:50:36 PM
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At 11/10/2014 3:40:46 PM, mortsdor wrote:
his statement wasn't all that outrageous :/

He suggests that given what he believes Obama will pursue, goals which he disagrees with, he hopes he fails in succeeding at those goals.

granted, he could have stated this without all the build-up, or unnecessarily bringing up what he thinks to be Racial undertones to the situation.... and such...

But saying he hopes someone doesn't succeed at doing things he disagrees with (which he made fairly clear was what he was saying) makes sense.
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11/10/2014 3:53:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/10/2014 3:38:00 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/10/2014 3:20:00 PM, bladerunner060 wrote:

How? What Context did Limbaugh provide? I was referencing the thing noted in the article of the OP: Limbaugh expressing he hoped Obama failed 4 days pre-inauguration.

I was asking for something similar, given the OP's statement.

Limbaugh meant his policies, as Obama had laid out what he was going to do.
Hell, he was working with Congress to hit the floor running when he took office.
To imply that, because it was 4 days before inauguration, it is an pre-emptive attack is just bad form.
Not that that's what you did, but the article.

You are at least somewhat correct:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com...

" My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. ... I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails?"

Rush himself claimed that he was okay to say this because before the 2000 inauguration the "search-and-destroy" mission had begun. If that's the case, it should be a trivial matter to find a similar quote.

Limbaugh is a loon. But both sides have loons. His side just tolerates him and Coulter (the "9/11 widows are "enjoying their husbands' death"). These people are not in any way, shape, or form respectful, for the office of the president or, really, people of opposing views. I don't know of anybody on the other side of the aisle in a comparable position--but emphasis on the "i don't know", of course, since frankly I'm not a big fan of either Consonant.

And incidentally, the "hit the ground running" line is funny, given that on inauguration night the Rs were expressly plotting to jam up the works of government--something I'm not aware of the other side ever being willing to do. But that's a bit OT to the OP.
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