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studentathletechristian8
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5/3/2010 9:12:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Although many of us have experienced a change in political ideology, party, philosophy, etc., there is usually one fervent belief or policy that has not changed with the rest. Care to discuss?
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5/3/2010 9:17:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Problem is with me, I'm no longer very sure of my beliefs before I entered into the political arena.

I suppose the one thing that's stuck with me throughout is the idea of equality of opportunity. Even before I joined up in politics, I did feel that everyone should have the same right to attain something if they could. Not necessarily that they should just be given it, but that it should be available for someone to get if they wanted to.

Also, I find the name "Dalton McGuinty" funny. That's stuck with me for years, ever since as a kid I blindly followed my parent's Conservative Party roots. Even now as a Liberal, I find the name funny. That'll always be with me. Hehe.
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5/3/2010 9:17:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/3/2010 9:12:02 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Although many of us have experienced a change in political ideology, party, philosophy, etc., there is usually one fervent belief or policy that has not changed with the rest. Care to discuss?

my beliefs havn't ever really changed... just got clearer.

well... except that until I was like 12/13 I believed in God.
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5/3/2010 9:19:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I've always looked for what I thought was the best balance between freedom, happiness, and human/civil rights. Anarchy says they're not mutually exclusive :D
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5/3/2010 9:22:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
haha when i was younger i was a lot more emotional and my beliefs were more garbled... but i suppose i still held the same basic premise that people should be free of the unwanted interference of others. i just didn't think it through to its logical conclusions.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
studentathletechristian8
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5/3/2010 9:26:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I've always been against alcohol and drugs, and I think I always will be. However, I used to think of smokers and drinkers as nothing but low-lives and worthless. Now, I see the ridiculous errors of my ways. Doing drugs and alcohol is a personal choice, and I have come to accept that and accept others for what they do. However, I get really pissed when people make poor decisions and risk the lives of others.
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5/3/2010 9:36:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
There's a sort of logical fallacy with that reasoning; if an intelligent person is more iin charge of his or her senses in the presence of a mind-altering substance than a stupid person is sober, then shouldn't you be madder at the stupid sober person?

To go along with the thread, I couldn't even give a definition of what politics was until I was in my early 20s (I was too busy doing the things that SAC hates and partying it up). Then, in an attempt to escape boredom at work in the cabinetry shop, I started tuning into G. Gordon Liddy's conservative talk-show on AM radio because the radio stations out here suck bad. I didn't know what a Republican or a Democrat was, but this guy told some good stories, made some damn good points and I decided that Democrats were spineless bastards and weren't too smart. I'm not sure what happened in the interim, in which I rebounded to become ultra-liberal in just about every facet, but I started paying more more attention to politics until I decided to get a degree in environmental policy.
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studentathletechristian8
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5/3/2010 9:46:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/3/2010 9:36:50 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
There's a sort of logical fallacy with that reasoning; if an intelligent person is more iin charge of his or her senses in the presence of a mind-altering substance than a stupid person is sober, then shouldn't you be madder at the stupid sober person?

Yes, I should. Essentially, I just got pissed off at the thoughts of deaths due to Drunk Driving and other similar scenarios.


To go along with the thread, I couldn't even give a definition of what politics was until I was in my early 20s (I was too busy doing the things that SAC hates and partying it up). Then, in an attempt to escape boredom at work in the cabinetry shop, I started tuning into G. Gordon Liddy's conservative talk-show on AM radio because the radio stations out here suck bad. I didn't know what a Republican or a Democrat was, but this guy told some good stories, made some damn good points and I decided that Democrats were spineless bastards and weren't too smart. I'm not sure what happened in the interim, in which I rebounded to become ultra-liberal in just about every facet, but I started paying more more attention to politics until I decided to get a degree in environmental policy.
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5/4/2010 9:40:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Although I have become less radical, I do feel I'll always be left-leaning. Also, just like SAC8 brought up, I'm also against alcohol, drugs, and smoking, and probably always will be.
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5/4/2010 9:47:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
My political path (In this order):

No ideology at all
Liberal Democrat
Communist
Libertarian
Anarchist
Currently: Panarchist

Probably won't change after that. Perhaps just more refined.
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5/4/2010 9:49:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/4/2010 9:47:44 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
My political path (In this order):

No ideology at all
Liberal Democrat
Communist
Libertarian
Anarchist
Currently: Panarchist

Probably won't change after that. Perhaps just more refined.

You went through a communist phase too? Haha. I suppose alot of people do though.
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5/4/2010 9:58:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Eh, I'm still vaguely moderate somewhat on the left type of guy. Hasn't really changed.
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5/4/2010 10:11:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I was PRO-Life for the longest time. That left me earlier this school year. That was probably the only thing I clung to politically. Everything else I can think of I've challenged and had differing beliefs about at some time or another.

I believe some people are more fickle in some matters than others. I believe social politics change harder than economic ones, and that ideologies with the most compatible beliefs are easiest to transfer between.
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5/4/2010 10:26:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Average Republican
Far-right conservative independent
Average Libertarian
Minarchist
Anarcho-Capitalist (I prefer to call Panarcho-Capitalist)
Undecided phase
Anarchist

I've always been against the slaughtering of puppies.
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5/4/2010 10:32:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/4/2010 10:26:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Average Republican
Far-right conservative independent
Average Libertarian
Minarchist
Anarcho-Capitalist (I prefer to call Panarcho-Capitalist)
Undecided phase
Anarchist

Here's what that looks like:

http://i44.tinypic.com...

The square is the undecided area.
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5/4/2010 10:39:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/4/2010 10:26:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Average Republican
Far-right conservative independent
Average Libertarian
Minarchist
Anarcho-Capitalist (I prefer to call Panarcho-Capitalist)
Undecided phase
Anarchist

I thought you were Libertarian, then Anarchist, then Socialist, then Anarcho-Capitalist?

You're Anarchist again? I thought you left that recently.
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5/4/2010 11:10:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/4/2010 10:39:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/4/2010 10:26:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Average Republican
Far-right conservative independent
Average Libertarian
Minarchist
Anarcho-Capitalist (I prefer to call Panarcho-Capitalist)
Undecided phase
Anarchist

I thought you were Libertarian, then Anarchist, then Socialist, then Anarcho-Capitalist?

You're Anarchist again? I thought you left that recently.

In my current view, I am Anarchist for the first time. The abolition of hierarchy includes the Capitalistic hierarchy. I only put Socialist instead of Anarchist on my profile before to distinguish myself from the Ancaps on here. But I got over it.
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5/4/2010 11:11:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I still like lasagne, though now I have it without meat. Kindness and love are enduring beliefs for me. I continue to believe that my experience displays substantial continuity though I didn't use to think of it that way. These might be about it. When we keep an open mind and an open heart change and reverses, disillusionment, epiphanies, utter chaos and surrender are not only endurable but entertaining milestones of the journey.
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5/5/2010 1:19:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I've always been socially libertarian, against the wars in the middle east [since they started], and against the war on drugs. I've also been against most forms of intellectual property for as long as I can remember.
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5/5/2010 1:42:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
My path has probably been.
Democratic Communist/Socialist.
Social Democrat.
Liberal.
What ever strange branch of liberalism I am now.
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5/5/2010 11:47:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I have come to see that freedom and equality are less compatible than anyone realizes and i have come to know that freedom is more important and easier to lose.
comoncents
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5/5/2010 11:54:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think I have stayed the same.

It is just the definition of "same" seems to change.

I am who I am.
Ideology and political philosophy changes with each generation. (sometimes with each year)
Some are in line with what I believe one year, and not the next.

But I do not think I have changed much.
studentathletechristian8
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5/5/2010 6:26:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/5/2010 11:54:50 AM, comoncents wrote:
I think I have stayed the same.

It is just the definition of "same" seems to change.

I am who I am.
Ideology and political philosophy changes with each generation. (sometimes with each year)
Some are in line with what I believe one year, and not the next.

But I do not think I have changed much.

I've changed drastically. Not too sure if it's for the better or worse, but I have ...
belle
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5/5/2010 6:28:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/5/2010 11:47:42 AM, innomen wrote:
I have come to see that freedom and equality are less compatible than anyone realizes and i have come to know that freedom is more important and easier to lose.

lol Tocqueville beat you to it... by like 200 years.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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5/5/2010 6:33:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/5/2010 6:32:07 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
On either side of the political spectrum, I absolutely despised the idea of government handouts. I've always firmly believed that individual labor and achievement is key to the satisfaction of one's desires.

No surprise you're libertarian now then. ;)
studentathletechristian8
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5/5/2010 6:49:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/5/2010 6:32:07 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
On either side of the political spectrum, I absolutely despised the idea of government handouts. I've always firmly believed that individual labor and achievement is key to the satisfaction of one's desires.

As do I.
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5/5/2010 6:54:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/5/2010 6:33:59 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/5/2010 6:32:07 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
On either side of the political spectrum, I absolutely despised the idea of government handouts. I've always firmly believed that individual labor and achievement is key to the satisfaction of one's desires.

No surprise you're libertarian now then. ;)

I found that the goals I wished to achieve through authoritarian government could just as easily be achieved through minarchy; however, it occurred to me that only the people capable of achieving those goals deserved to do so. I was very tired of trying to use authoritarianism to save people from themselves and others, when they likely had no business being saved.
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5/5/2010 6:56:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/5/2010 6:54:02 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
I found that the goals I wished to achieve through authoritarian government could just as easily be achieved through minarchy; however, it occurred to me that only the people capable of achieving those goals deserved to do so. I was very tired of trying to use authoritarianism to save people from themselves and others, when they likely had no business being saved.

Right-libertarian.
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studentathletechristian8
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5/5/2010 6:56:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/5/2010 6:54:02 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 5/5/2010 6:33:59 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/5/2010 6:32:07 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
On either side of the political spectrum, I absolutely despised the idea of government handouts. I've always firmly believed that individual labor and achievement is key to the satisfaction of one's desires.

No surprise you're libertarian now then. ;)

I found that the goals I wished to achieve through authoritarian government could just as easily be achieved through minarchy; however, it occurred to me that only the people capable of achieving those goals deserved to do so. I was very tired of trying to use authoritarianism to save people from themselves and others, when they likely had no business being saved.

That's kind of what I thought all along. Unfortunately, I have only been interested in politics for several months, so I never did have proper knowledge with all the ideologies and their representations.