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Volkov
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5/8/2010 5:42:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I don't find it effective nor ethical, so my personal stand is against it.

However, I've never been put in the position where it will ever effect me, either. It's a hard subject to pin down, really; a lot of people think that the death penalty will mean justice is served, yet so many victims or their families say that it doesn't really change anything. There's also a question of why we should subsidize the continued living of mass murderers and the like that the death penalty would apply to (if I were to side with it).

It's a tough one, to be sure.
Koopin
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5/8/2010 5:44:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I believe that the death penalty should stay, but it needs to be improved. Make it cheaper, and be sure it is not painful.
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5/8/2010 5:45:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Politically correct but unethical
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5/8/2010 5:46:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Make them do hard labour instead. Make them give back to the society they took from. Besides, death is the easy way out. The criminal should be punished for what they did.
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5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?
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5/8/2010 5:49:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?

That's actualy a really good idea, Dakota.
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5/8/2010 5:49:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?

Because we don't have the technology now?
FREEDO
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5/8/2010 5:50:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:49:21 PM, Puck wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?

Because we don't have the technology now?

Are you sure about that? Imma check.
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5/8/2010 5:51:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Anyway, Hollywood is the final arbitrator of truth. Demolition Man says your plan will end in a lot of explosions and a black man with dyed white hair. No one really wants that.
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5/8/2010 5:52:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?

Can you demonstrate where we have this technology and that it is effective and safe?
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5/8/2010 5:53:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:49:21 PM, Puck wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?

Because we don't have the technology now?

And even if we did, that'd just be grossly inhumane...destroying someone's entire personality and soul...seriously?!
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5/8/2010 5:53:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:50:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:49:21 PM, Puck wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?

Because we don't have the technology now?

Are you sure about that? Imma check.

Am I sure we don't accurately know where/how memories are cohesively even stored, collated, and recalled. Yes. :P

Am I sure we can't just magic tech new memories. Yes. :P
Korashk
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5/8/2010 5:54:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:46:55 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Make them do hard labour instead. Make them give back to the society they took from. Besides, death is the easy way out. The criminal should be punished for what they did.

And what exactly is their incentive to do hard labor?
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5/8/2010 5:55:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I support the DP 100%

I also support doing it in a cheaper way (since a lot of people argue against the DP because of its cost). I know a way to complete the execution for less then $1 per convict.
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5/8/2010 5:55:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:54:19 PM, Korashk wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:46:55 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Make them do hard labour instead. Make them give back to the society they took from. Besides, death is the easy way out. The criminal should be punished for what they did.

And what exactly is their incentive to do hard labor?

They're criminals. There doesn't need to be incentive. They won't be getting out of prison until they do the amount of labour that is required of them. :)
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5/8/2010 5:56:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:53:09 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
And even if we did, that'd just be grossly inhumane...destroying someone's entire personality and soul...seriously?!

don't video games do that already?
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studentathletechristian8
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5/8/2010 5:57:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
We do not have the technology to perform mass mind-control.

I am against the death penalty. Too much money (specifically for its capital cases) and waste of usable human bodies.
Korashk
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5/8/2010 5:57:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:55:42 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:54:19 PM, Korashk wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:46:55 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Make them do hard labour instead. Make them give back to the society they took from. Besides, death is the easy way out. The criminal should be punished for what they did.

And what exactly is their incentive to do hard labor?

They're criminals. There doesn't need to be incentive. They won't be getting out of prison until they do the amount of labour that is required of them. :)

The kind of criminals that get the death penalty aren't the kind that we LET OUT OF PRISON.
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5/8/2010 5:57:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:56:49 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:53:09 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
And even if we did, that'd just be grossly inhumane...destroying someone's entire personality and soul...seriously?!

don't video games do that already?

However, people get to choose to play video games and make decisions on their own accord. It is assumed that the technology would not be a choice and would serve as punishment / rehabilitation.
FREEDO
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5/8/2010 5:58:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:53:09 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:49:21 PM, Puck wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:47:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I just came up with this alternative today and haven't thought through it very well so tell me what you think.
Since we have the technology now, why don't we just wipe the memories of hard-core criminals, run them through a re-education process and let them live a normal life?

Because we don't have the technology now?

And even if we did, that'd just be grossly inhumane...destroying someone's entire personality and soul...seriously?!

More inhumane that killing them?
And I don't think it erases their basic personality.
But I'm checking.
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5/8/2010 6:02:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Ok, I was mistaking, we don't have mind-wiping technology....at least not officially..

But re-education is still a good option isn't it?
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5/8/2010 6:02:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 5:57:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:56:49 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:53:09 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
And even if we did, that'd just be grossly inhumane...destroying someone's entire personality and soul...seriously?!

don't video games do that already?

However, people get to choose to play video games and make decisions on their own accord. It is assumed that the technology would not be a choice and would serve as punishment / rehabilitation.

I suppose you could give them the option, memory wipe by computer or by bullet.
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studentathletechristian8
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5/8/2010 6:02:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 6:02:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I was mistaking, we don't have mind-wiping technology....at least not officially..

But re-education is still a good option isn't it?

I support rehabilitation efforts.
studentathletechristian8
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5/8/2010 6:03:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 6:02:47 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:57:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:56:49 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:53:09 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
And even if we did, that'd just be grossly inhumane...destroying someone's entire personality and soul...seriously?!

don't video games do that already?

However, people get to choose to play video games and make decisions on their own accord. It is assumed that the technology would not be a choice and would serve as punishment / rehabilitation.

I suppose you could give them the option, memory wipe by computer or by bullet.

I'd take the bullet.
Ore_Ele
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5/8/2010 6:04:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 6:02:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I was mistaking, we don't have mind-wiping technology....at least not officially..

well, we can't implement "un-official" techology.


But re-education is still a good option isn't it?

yea, but there is the risk that criminals can "pretend" to be rehabilitated and re-educated so that they can get out.
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5/8/2010 6:04:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 6:03:36 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 5/8/2010 6:02:47 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:57:58 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:56:49 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 5:53:09 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
And even if we did, that'd just be grossly inhumane...destroying someone's entire personality and soul...seriously?!

don't video games do that already?

However, people get to choose to play video games and make decisions on their own accord. It is assumed that the technology would not be a choice and would serve as punishment / rehabilitation.

I suppose you could give them the option, memory wipe by computer or by bullet.

I'd take the bullet.

I wouldn't get caught in the first place, lol.
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studentathletechristian8
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5/8/2010 6:05:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 6:04:19 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 6:02:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I was mistaking, we don't have mind-wiping technology....at least not officially..

well, we can't implement "un-official" techology.


But re-education is still a good option isn't it?

yea, but there is the risk that criminals can "pretend" to be rehabilitated and re-educated so that they can get out.

Let's just round up all criminals and throw them over a cliff all at once.
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5/8/2010 6:10:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/8/2010 6:05:32 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 5/8/2010 6:04:19 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 5/8/2010 6:02:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok, I was mistaking, we don't have mind-wiping technology....at least not officially..

well, we can't implement "un-official" techology.


But re-education is still a good option isn't it?

yea, but there is the risk that criminals can "pretend" to be rehabilitated and re-educated so that they can get out.

Let's just round up all criminals and throw them over a cliff all at once.

Since when is this topic about any criminals other than those with the death penalty? But that wouldn't be the worst idea for them. Rehabing criminals is a joke.
When large numbers of otherwise-law abiding people break specific laws en masse, it's usually a fault that lies with the law. - Unknown