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russianmaster999
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5/17/2010 11:47:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
should it be legal for people under the age of 18 to be put into prison for life without parole??? would like some comments on this topic
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Mirza
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5/17/2010 11:56:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It depends on the crime. If someone cannot be treated for his/her mental illness, which makes it impossible for the person to be with others without being in the risk of harming them, then some form of jailing is probably better and more safe for him and other people.

But if someone is robbing, then a form of strict punishment should be carried out, not necessarily a life sentence in prison.
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5/17/2010 1:15:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 11:56:06 AM, Mirza wrote:

But if someone is robbing, then a form of strict punishment should be carried out, not necessarily a life sentence in prison.

Elaborate
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5/17/2010 1:23:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:22:31 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:15:10 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Elaborate
I am fairly sure that you know what I mean by that.

Chopping their hands off?
Zetsubou
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5/17/2010 1:27:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:23:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:22:31 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:15:10 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Elaborate
I am fairly sure that you know what I mean by that.

Chopping their hands off?
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Mirza
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5/17/2010 1:28:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:23:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Chopping their hands off?
First, there would be many less theft cases, so we would not speak about many people here.

Second, yes. They use their hands to rob, and it is a mercy for them to cut one off. If a person suffers from something like gangrene, then we also cut his hand off/amputate it in order to save the rest of his body.
studentathletechristian8
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5/17/2010 1:30:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:28:41 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:23:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Chopping their hands off?
First, there would be many less theft cases, so we would not speak about many people here.

Second, yes. They use their hands to rob, and it is a mercy for them to cut one off. If a person suffers from something like gangrene, then we also cut his hand off/amputate it in order to save the rest of his body.

Could we not bring religion into a political forum?
mattrodstrom
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5/17/2010 1:33:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:28:41 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:23:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Chopping their hands off?
First, there would be many less theft cases, so we would not speak about many people here.

Second, yes. They use their hands to rob, and it is a mercy for them to cut one off. If a person suffers from something like gangrene, then we also cut his hand off/amputate it in order to save the rest of his body.

lol @ Mohammed...

The murdering, morally righteous, scoundrel!
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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Mirza
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5/17/2010 1:34:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:30:33 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Could we not bring religion into a political forum?
Why do you say that to me? Did I bring it up? The reason why I told IAAP that he probably knows my answer is actually because I want to avoid talking about religion.

And we actually did not go too far. I came with a logical answer, not really much to do with a religious logic at all.
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5/17/2010 1:35:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:33:38 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
lol @ Mohammed...

The murdering, morally righteous, scoundrel!
At least people do not have to fear for their property.
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5/17/2010 1:37:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:35:16 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:33:38 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
lol @ Mohammed...

The murdering, morally righteous, scoundrel!
At least people do not have to fear for their property.

I think that if there were less poor people there would be less theft. Just my two cents. Many people tend to steal to survive.
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5/17/2010 1:37:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:34:26 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:30:33 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Could we not bring religion into a political forum?
Why do you say that to me? Did I bring it up? The reason why I told IAAP that he probably knows my answer is actually because I want to avoid talking about religion.

And we actually did not go too far. I came with a logical answer, not really much to do with a religious logic at all.

Bro, I'm just kidding ;)
Mirza
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5/17/2010 1:38:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:37:19 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I think that if there were less poor people there would be less theft. Just my two cents. Many people tend to steal to survive.
There would also be more greed and arrogance.
mattrodstrom
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5/17/2010 1:40:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:37:19 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:35:16 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:33:38 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
lol @ Mohammed...

The murdering, morally righteous, scoundrel!
At least people do not have to fear for their property.

I think that if there were less poor people there would be less theft. Just my two cents. Many people tend to steal to survive.

What was Mohammed's position on the matter?

Again, not that I think it's important as I think he was a Giant D-bag... but, I would think it's important to some certain people who take his word as backed by God.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
Mirza
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5/17/2010 1:43:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:40:09 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
What was Mohammed's position on the matter?

Again, not that I think it's important as I think he was a Giant D-bag... but, I would think it's important to some certain people who take his word as backed by God.
It was his order. And there is nothing wrong about it. I hope you do not suffer from a harmful disease in your hand, because if you do, I am sure there are good chances that your doctor will tell you that an amputation is the best thing! And the same can be said about thieves. It is a good thing for them to prevent them from doing bigger crimes. Imagine if he goes to prison for five years, gets released, kills several people and robs a bank. He would not do it with a few amputated limbs. Say whatever you want. It is more backward and barbaric not to deal justly.
Volkov
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5/17/2010 1:46:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Mirza: cutting off limbs of people is just.

Sane people: cutting off limbs of people is unjust.

Let's get a happy medium - let's cut off Mirza's limbs.
mattrodstrom
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5/17/2010 1:46:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:43:23 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:40:09 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
What was Mohammed's position on the matter?

Again, not that I think it's important as I think he was a Giant D-bag... but, I would think it's important to some certain people who take his word as backed by God.
It was his order. And there is nothing wrong about it. I hope you do not suffer from a harmful disease in your hand, because if you do, I am sure there are good chances that your doctor will tell you that an amputation is the best thing! And the same can be said about thieves. It is a good thing for them to prevent them from doing bigger crimes. Imagine if he goes to prison for five years, gets released, kills several people and robs a bank. He would not do it with a few amputated limbs. Say whatever you want. It is more backward and barbaric not to deal justly.

by the same logic I'd say Muhammed should have had his voicebox torn out :P
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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5/17/2010 1:47:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:46:19 PM, Volkov wrote:
Mirza: cutting off limbs of people is just.

Sane people: cutting off limbs of people is unjust.

I'd say it's just if the person was abhorrently violent... like Muhammed.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
Mirza
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5/17/2010 1:49:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:46:19 PM, Volkov wrote:
Mirza: cutting off limbs of people is just.

Sane people: cutting off limbs of people is unjust.
It is medically beneficial.

Let's get a happy medium - let's cut off Mirza's limbs.
Find a good reason for that.
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5/17/2010 1:51:18 PM
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Chopping off thieves' hands is fine. But there's no moral difference between that or killing them or imprisoning them. There might be a practical one.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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5/17/2010 1:51:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:47:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:46:19 PM, Volkov wrote:
Mirza: cutting off limbs of people is just.

Sane people: cutting off limbs of people is unjust.

I'd say it's just if the person was abhorrently violent... like Muhammed.

So we should chop off Muhammad's limbs?
Volkov
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5/17/2010 1:52:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:49:12 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is medically beneficial.

To note, "sinning" isn't in any medical dictionary I know of. To say it's medically beneficial to cut off the limbs of a healthy person is just silly.

Find a good reason for that.

Don't need one. After all, if I were you, I could make any arbitrary thing punishable by amputation.
mattrodstrom
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5/17/2010 1:53:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:51:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:47:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:46:19 PM, Volkov wrote:
Mirza: cutting off limbs of people is just.

Sane people: cutting off limbs of people is unjust.

I'd say it's just if the person was abhorrently violent... like Muhammed.

So we should chop off Muhammad's limbs?

Again, I'd say the voicebox is your best bet.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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5/17/2010 1:53:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:51:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:47:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 5/17/2010 1:46:19 PM, Volkov wrote:
Mirza: cutting off limbs of people is just.

Sane people: cutting off limbs of people is unjust.

I'd say it's just if the person was abhorrently violent... like Muhammed.

So we should chop off Muhammad's limbs?

He's dead already, fat lotta good that does.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
Mirza
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5/17/2010 1:53:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:51:18 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Chopping off thieves' hands is fine. But there's no moral difference between that or killing them or imprisoning them. There might be a practical one.
Well, imprisoning can block their lives. Their lives are exchanged for a material. If they steal some valuable things, it is not always proper to let their lives be kind of stopped (rest of life in prison) as an exchange for material. Rather, a warning about this should be spread among people, and they should live their lives as ones who have learned a good thing, and not longer able to do much physical harm.
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5/17/2010 1:56:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:53:17 PM, Mirza wrote:
Well, imprisoning can block their lives. Their lives are exchanged for a material. If they steal some valuable things, it is not always proper to let their lives be kind of stopped (rest of life in prison) as an exchange for material. Rather, a warning about this should be spread among people, and they should live their lives as ones who have learned a good thing, and not longer able to do much physical harm.

Yeah, 'cause chopping off someone's limbs isn't "kind of stopping" their lives...
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5/17/2010 1:56:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:52:04 PM, Volkov wrote:
To note, "sinning" isn't in any medical dictionary I know of. To say it's medically beneficial to cut off the limbs of a healthy person is just silly.
A criminal who steals the property of other people and making them frightened is not doing a bad thing? See, in my belief, "sin" is not always something personal, like not believing in God, but also a crime. Theft is a crime. Killing people is a crime. It is therefore also a sin. So saving a person by being merciful to him, in this case amputation his limbs in order to actually let him live his life without being able to do more harm is not a bad thing. It is medically beneficial. As much as your leg or hand can be amputated if you have an infection in them, so can they if you use them to kill other people or take their valuable property.

Don't need one. After all, if I were you, I could make any arbitrary thing punishable by amputation.
There are good reasons for amputating the libs of thieves. I have done no such thing as stealing.
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5/17/2010 1:56:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 1:51:18 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Chopping off thieves' hands is fine. But there's no moral difference between that or killing them or imprisoning them. There might be a practical one.

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