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BDPershing
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12/14/2014 4:09:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Re-prioritize Bill:
A Bill that re-prioritizes the US military foreign, and domestic policy of US military.

All US foreign bases will be shut down and given to the country it resides in, all foreign US military force will be reassigned to border patrol and US territories.

US defense budget will have funds redistributed to US Navy, Coast Guard, and Marine Corps which size will be increased by 20%, for coast defense purposes.

US forces will only be deployed by formal request by foreign power which is subject to decline by congress, if at which accepted the foreign power will be subject to paying for military forces presents till US forces are pulled out at request of the foreign power which requested it.

US Military will only be deployed if US territories or State are at threat, or if the people of the land request, it is up to the US people to decide to help, at which accepted, expense will be waved.

All foreign or domestic threats to the safely and freedom of the American people will be met with the same threat.

All Militias will be allowed to request for aid in equipment and supplies if they show organization and order with the pure intent to defend the American people and ideals.

US forces will never be used against civilians unless found as a gang or terrorist cell, engaged in acts of crime and violence against the american people.
Terrorist cell(s) referring to a group(s) with no support of the ideals of America and/or taking orders of a foreign power.

US reserves the right to declare any group(s) the Desecrates, by burning the National flag and the ideals it stands for, in a disrespectful way, as a domestic threat terrorist cell at which will be detained and deported.

By the formal request of the people of a foreign land to become a territory or state, if qualified, it is up to the people of the United States to decide, at which it is the congress that must follow the will of the people. The people of the foreign land must provide a constitution and must accept the US constitution and all its amendments as the supreme law of the land.

At a time of peace US Army, Air force, will be placed in to the state militia of which the soldier hails from. Marines and Navy will be excluded from this, due to being a maritime force.

Thoughts, what would you rewrite?
slo1
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12/15/2014 11:40:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/14/2014 4:09:51 PM, BDPershing wrote:
Re-prioritize Bill:
A Bill that re-prioritizes the US military foreign, and domestic policy of US military.

All US foreign bases will be shut down and given to the country it resides in, all foreign US military force will be reassigned to border patrol and US territories.

"All" is a strong word. It would be silly to relinquish all bases just to find that when you do go to war you have to clear a path 12,000 miles to get to your enemy to defeat them.

US defense budget will have funds redistributed to US Navy, Coast Guard, and Marine Corps which size will be increased by 20%, for coast defense purposes.

coast defense is just a part of it. mass bombarding from missiles is probably a larger threat than boats landing with people on our shores, but I get the point of stop focusing on overseas and regain focus on defense.

US forces will only be deployed by formal request by foreign power which is subject to decline by congress, if at which accepted the foreign power will be subject to paying for military forces presents till US forces are pulled out at request of the foreign power which requested it.

I like congressional authorization, but to make this happen we would have to break many of the treaties we are in such as NATO.

US Military will only be deployed if US territories or State are at threat, or if the people of the land request, it is up to the US people to decide to help, at which accepted, expense will be waved.

All foreign or domestic threats to the safely and freedom of the American people will be met with the same threat.

All Militias will be allowed to request for aid in equipment and supplies if they show organization and order with the pure intent to defend the American people and ideals.

US forces will never be used against civilians unless found as a gang or terrorist cell, engaged in acts of crime and violence against the american people.
Terrorist cell(s) referring to a group(s) with no support of the ideals of America and/or taking orders of a foreign power.

What is the point of having this with such a broad exception? All it takes is the label of terrorist and it is the norm and not the exception.

US reserves the right to declare any group(s) the Desecrates, by burning the National flag and the ideals it stands for, in a disrespectful way, as a domestic threat terrorist cell at which will be detained and deported.

This is fvking stupid and Anti-American.

By the formal request of the people of a foreign land to become a territory or state, if qualified, it is up to the people of the United States to decide, at which it is the congress that must follow the will of the people. The people of the foreign land must provide a constitution and must accept the US constitution and all its amendments as the supreme law of the land.

At a time of peace US Army, Air force, will be placed in to the state militia of which the soldier hails from. Marines and Navy will be excluded from this, due to being a maritime force.

Thoughts, what would you rewrite?
BDPershing
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12/15/2014 11:41:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
" "All" is a strong word. It would be silly to relinquish all bases just to find that when you do go to war you have to clear a path 12,000 miles to get to your enemy to defeat them.""

It is, but when you have over 700+ bases across the world and only maybe 1 foreign base in america. Its kind of overkill, America doe not need to fight all wars on the earth if its on another Continent then the inhabitants need to take care of it. Besides if its a time of peace all foreign army bases will be illegal under the constitution. if we really need to go to war that's what navy and marines are for.

"coast defense is just a part of it. mass bombarding from missiles is probably a larger threat than boats landing with people on our shores, but I get the point of stop focusing on overseas and regain focus on defense."

Increase to Maritime forces is legal for they don't qualify as a "army" and if we increase the budget we can afford more ships, and developments to get troops to foreign theaters quickly without the need of a foreign base. You make have forgotten the 700+ bases that we pay for that might play a huge role in expenses.

" I like congressional authorization, but to make this happen we would have to break many of the treaties we are in such as NATO."

Treaties cant apply to the constitution, and since congress is actually the only one who can declare war this will re-enforce that power will giving limitations so it cant be abused.

"What is the point of having this with such a broad exception? All it takes is the label of terrorist and it is the norm and not the exception."

Been needing to rephrase the wording so it goes through a system of information gathering and evidence to limit who can be labelled, but haven't found a good system to do so. This was mainly a measure to allow military action if a radical anti constitution group formed, or groups who engage in serious crime.

"This is fvking stupid and Anti-American. "

Got pissed off one day and wrote that in, ya be pissed at the people in power and how the system is run. But the flag, the constitution, did nothing to make that happen, its up to the 4th branch of government, the people, to watch and regulate all other branches, Not what founded it.
Praesentya
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12/16/2014 1:03:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm not going point by point to debunk your post, so I'll just comment generally.

I think you have a fairly limited understanding of the purpose of the United States Military. The Department of Defense has transitioned itself into an entity which enforces the prevention of war, not an entity that sits around waiting to wage war. Foreign military bases provide a deterrent, and many of those bases exist at the request of the host nation - Germany, Japan, South Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc...

Furthermore, the United States Navy protects dozens of international trade routes, withdrawing the Navy would likely have devastating global economic ramifications.

I understand the sentiment to 'protect the home front' instead of focusing abroad, but both are equally important, and there is a way to do both.

For one, the immigrants that come to this country are not terrorists, many are just looking for an education, or a job. In general, immigrants put more into the system than they take out, and are beneficial to this country. I do not believe non-violent, intellectually ambitious people merit the sort of radical defense reallocation you are talking about.

If the United States sent soldiers into Mexico to eradicate drug cartels, and sent the Army Engineering Corps in to build technology so that Mexico could export LNG and reap massive profits, the immigration problem would be a lot smaller.

The solution is not to quarantine the United States, its to make foreign nations seem more attractive to it's residents. One point I cannot stress enough: if you withdraw all US troops, peace will not last long, and when war breaks out you can be sure a whole lot of immigrants are going to attempt to flood this country.

Deporting American citizens because of their political beliefs is un-American - as the poster above me said.
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12/16/2014 5:23:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
In truth I would rather them join the Union than to simply request are military power to be present, furthermore US Navy should not be the only driving force in defense of global trade. We get nothing from the countries we assist and only get hate from the groups we occupy, the people of all nations hate the idea we even have a presence near them, yet the political leaders love it. Sorry but if the people of another country don't what us even there, we have no business being there. I understand though your point on trade defense, so american trade would need to be written in.