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Dazz
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12/23/2014 6:56:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

No because advertising is not a mere source of speech. Ban on advertising can be a kind of management tactic.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
Khaos_Mage
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12/23/2014 8:24:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Define advertising.
I'd probably say it is a restriction regardless of your answer.
My work here is, finally, done.
AnDoctuir
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12/23/2014 8:32:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:24:39 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Define advertising.
I'd probably say it is a restriction regardless of your answer.

Cigarettes maybe? Honestly though, people are taking freedom of speech to ridiculous lengths.
Khaos_Mage
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12/23/2014 8:46:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:32:32 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:24:39 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Define advertising.
I'd probably say it is a restriction regardless of your answer.

Cigarettes maybe? Honestly though, people are taking freedom of speech to ridiculous lengths.

Define it, then.
I'm not saying I have a right to a billboard, but, then again, the landowner is to blame for allowing me to post a post in his yard.
But, what is advertising? is me standing on the corner offering coupons for my deli advertising? How is that any different than me standing on the corner handing out flyers to repent your sins?
My work here is, finally, done.
AnDoctuir
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12/23/2014 8:56:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:46:19 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:32:32 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:24:39 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Define advertising.
I'd probably say it is a restriction regardless of your answer.

Cigarettes maybe? Honestly though, people are taking freedom of speech to ridiculous lengths.

Define it, then.
I'm not saying I have a right to a billboard, but, then again, the landowner is to blame for allowing me to post a post in his yard.
But, what is advertising? is me standing on the corner offering coupons for my deli advertising? How is that any different than me standing on the corner handing out flyers to repent your sins?

My mind also actually went straight to religion. Curious - perhaps there's a bit of a knee-jerk there.

I mean stuff like not being allowed to yell 'fire' in an auditorium or something though, which seems perfectly sensible to me, and then opens it all way up, right? Smoking is definitely something someone should be allowed to have their own wits about them when dealing with, right? Freedom of speech as regards the law itself, rather than everything, seems reasonable enough to me.
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12/23/2014 6:15:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 6:56:47 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

No because advertising is not a mere source of speech. Ban on advertising can be a kind of management tactic.

Please elaborate. Define:

"mere source of speech"
"management tactic"

How is a source of speech different from speech itself?
Why is a management tactic allowed to curtail a source of speech, method of speech, or types or media of speech itself?
1. I already googled it.

2. Give me an argument. Spell it out. "You're wrong," is not an argument.
Dazz
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12/24/2014 7:34:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 6:15:53 PM, tabularasa wrote:
At 12/23/2014 6:56:47 AM, Dazz wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

No because advertising is not a mere source of speech. Ban on advertising can be a kind of management tactic.

Please elaborate. Define:

"mere source of speech"
"management tactic"
I referred it as control.

How is a source of speech different from speech itself?
In context of the phrase "freedom of speech" that is usually taken wrong; speech is a form of expression and so that can go by many other ways. Advertising (digital one) in its true sense, is more of an influential propaganda. Whereas freedom of speech deals with truthfulness and sincerity in expression.
Why is a management tactic allowed to curtail a source of speech, method of speech, or types or media of speech itself?
Freedom of Speech doesn't propose to kill the freedom of choice.
Remove the "I want", remainder is the "peace". ~Al-Ghazali~
"This time will also pass", a dose to cure both; the excitement & the grievance. ~Ayaz~
Otokage
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12/24/2014 8:21:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Yes, but it is not like restricting freedom of speech is something wrong. Imo, it must be restricted in order to keep social cohesiveness. If not, it would be like living in the jungle.

There are 2 interesting things mentioned in wikipedia about freedom of speech, one is: Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas using one's body and property to anyone who is willing to receive them.

And the other one:
Every government restricts speech to some degree. Common limitations on speech relate to: libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, hate speech, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, public security, public order, public nuisance, and campaign finance reform.

Those are banned for obvious reasons.
Khaos_Mage
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12/24/2014 9:19:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 8:21:14 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Yes, but it is not like restricting freedom of speech is something wrong. Imo, it must be restricted in order to keep social cohesiveness. If not, it would be like living in the jungle.

So, you think banning advertisements is a good idea, both in general and via the Constitution? Not restricting advertisements, but an all out ban?
My work here is, finally, done.
Otokage
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12/24/2014 9:46:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 9:19:52 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:21:14 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Yes, but it is not like restricting freedom of speech is something wrong. Imo, it must be restricted in order to keep social cohesiveness. If not, it would be like living in the jungle.

So, you think banning advertisements is a good idea, both in general and via the Constitution? Not restricting advertisements, but an all out ban?

If they need to be banned, then yes. But if they are respectful, then I don't see the problem of advertising.
Khaos_Mage
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12/24/2014 10:27:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 9:46:17 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:19:52 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:21:14 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Yes, but it is not like restricting freedom of speech is something wrong. Imo, it must be restricted in order to keep social cohesiveness. If not, it would be like living in the jungle.

So, you think banning advertisements is a good idea, both in general and via the Constitution? Not restricting advertisements, but an all out ban?

If they need to be banned, then yes. But if they are respectful, then I don't see the problem of advertising.

So, then, the issue isn't advertising at all. It is the method and/or content, isn't it?
My work here is, finally, done.
Otokage
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12/24/2014 1:48:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 10:27:41 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:46:17 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:19:52 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:21:14 AM, Otokage wrote:
At 12/20/2014 8:22:37 PM, GuyForAnswers wrote:
Is the ban of advertising a restriction of the freedom of speech?

Yes, but it is not like restricting freedom of speech is something wrong. Imo, it must be restricted in order to keep social cohesiveness. If not, it would be like living in the jungle.

So, you think banning advertisements is a good idea, both in general and via the Constitution? Not restricting advertisements, but an all out ban?

If they need to be banned, then yes. But if they are respectful, then I don't see the problem of advertising.

So, then, the issue isn't advertising at all. It is the method and/or content, isn't it?

Yes, to me there's no issue at all on advertising something. The issue is on how you advertise it. Although some things are impossible to advertise in a respectful way. Can you advertise nazism in a respectful way? Imo it is not possible.