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6/5/2010 11:23:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
When I was younger, I always wanted to be a police officer. I thought that they protected people. "I want to be a police officer so I can help other people," I wrote in third grade.

You see, there were bullies at my school and I knew then that the best thing I could do in life is to stop the bullies from terrorizing others.

Soon enough, however, I realized that the police aren't there to protect people from bullies. No. Far from it, in fact. They ARE the bullies.

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6/5/2010 12:58:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 11:24:33 AM, Mirza wrote:
We cannot generalize the police.

I must not belong in the "we" you speak of, then. Generalizing the cops is pretty easy for me...
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6/5/2010 1:07:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 12:58:05 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 6/5/2010 11:24:33 AM, Mirza wrote:
We cannot generalize the police.

I must not belong in the "we" you speak of, then. Generalizing the cops is pretty easy for me...

I must not belong in the "we" you speak of, then. Generalizing moany, anarchistic teenagers is pretty easy for me...
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6/5/2010 1:38:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 1:07:44 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/5/2010 12:58:05 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 6/5/2010 11:24:33 AM, Mirza wrote:
We cannot generalize the police.

I must not belong in the "we" you speak of, then. Generalizing the cops is pretty easy for me...

I must not belong in the "we" you speak of, then. Generalizing moany, anarchistic teenagers is pretty easy for me...

Oh come on, generalizing in general is easy.
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6/5/2010 1:47:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
stupid video. how else would you fight crime if not with force? have the cops look disappointedly at the criminal? and to the part about drugs: the cops don't make the law, they just enforce it.
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Rob1Billion
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6/5/2010 3:01:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"...they just enforce them." exactly. police do not "serve and protect;" they arrest people who break the law. at least that's what they are supposed to do. sercing and protecting is BS
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6/5/2010 5:09:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://scrapetv.com...
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6/5/2010 6:01:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 5:09:18 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
http://scrapetv.com...

Fun Fact : You are almost three time as likely to be sexually assaulted by a police officer than by the average person you pass on the street.[1]

[1] http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com...
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6/5/2010 6:06:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 6:01:48 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/5/2010 5:09:18 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
http://scrapetv.com...

Fun Fact : You are almost three time as likely to be sexually assaulted by a police officer than by the average person you pass on the street.[1]

[1] http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com...
But there are a lot more people on the street.

And how likely is a rapist to be attacked in a manner capable of deterring other rapists by a police officers as opposed to the average person on the street?
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6/5/2010 6:28:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 3:01:01 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
"...they just enforce them." exactly. police do not "serve and protect;" they arrest people who break the law. at least that's what they are supposed to do. sercing and protecting is BS

lol it's not BS, it's just a euphemism. They are serving and protecting by arresting people that society deems undesirable.
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6/5/2010 6:44:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 6:28:21 PM, MikeLoviN wrote:
At 6/5/2010 3:01:01 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
"...they just enforce them." exactly. police do not "serve and protect;" they arrest people who break the law. at least that's what they are supposed to do. sercing and protecting is BS

lol it's not BS, it's just a euphemism. They are serving and protecting by arresting people that society deems undesirable.

Your disagreeing with me by agreeing with me. Euphemismistic language=bullsh11.

By assuming a role that they don't play, they are purporting to be something they are not. If I told someone I hate that I am planning on killing them, explain to me how the police are going to protect them. I could go on Fox news tonight and proclaim it, and the police would not be able to stop me from carrying out the act (with relatively little effort for secrecy on my part).

This is crucial because it instills the notion that we are not safe without the police to people at an early age. I have to go with the pro-gun-rights crowd on this one; a gun can protect you. A cop can't. The instances in which they can are far out-weighed by the instances in which they can do damage to you, and I can personally say that I have had my well-being put in jeopardy far more by police forces than I have been protected by them, on balance.
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6/5/2010 6:48:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 6:44:41 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
I could go on Fox news tonight and proclaim it, and the police would not be able to stop me from carrying out the act (with relatively little effort for secrecy on my part).

Actually they probably could stop you, with a fair amount of ease, if you were so bold (and stupid) to do something like that. Announcing your intentions on national TV to kill someone = reasonable grounds for arrest.

This is crucial because it instills the notion that we are not safe without the police to people at an early age. I have to go with the pro-gun-rights crowd on this one; a gun can protect you. A cop can't. The instances in which they can are far out-weighed by the instances in which they can do damage to you, and I can personally say that I have had my well-being put in jeopardy far more by police forces than I have been protected by them, on balance.

Woe is you, Rob, woe is you. Let's just get rid of the police then, shall we? After all, apparently they can't do anything and fulfill no other role but to be evil fascists towards you.
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6/6/2010 7:44:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 6:48:55 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 6/5/2010 6:44:41 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
I could go on Fox news tonight and proclaim it, and the police would not be able to stop me from carrying out the act (with relatively little effort for secrecy on my part).

Actually they probably could stop you, with a fair amount of ease, if you were so bold (and stupid) to do something like that. Announcing your intentions on national TV to kill someone = reasonable grounds for arrest.

Arrest me? And how long are they going to arrest me based on the crimes I have committed? Come on Volkov, where are you hoping to take this line of reasoning?

This is crucial because it instills the notion that we are not safe without the police to people at an early age. I have to go with the pro-gun-rights crowd on this one; a gun can protect you. A cop can't. The instances in which they can are far out-weighed by the instances in which they can do damage to you, and I can personally say that I have had my well-being put in jeopardy far more by police forces than I have been protected by them, on balance.

Woe is you, Rob, woe is you. Let's just get rid of the police then, shall we? After all, apparently they can't do anything and fulfill no other role but to be evil fascists towards you.

Crime is a product of our profit-driven economic system; fix the root of the problem and crime becomes too insignificant to even justify a police force. The minute % of people who are actually psychopaths, sociopaths, and sexual deviants can be weeded out the old-fashioned way; again, police can not protect you from these people anyway; they can only arrest them after they have committed their heinous acts. It's probably better to deal with them at the end of a gun than it is with our absolutely sick penal system, which produces more pain and suffering than any sociopathic killer could ever do.
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Volkov
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6/6/2010 7:50:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 7:44:45 AM, Rob1Billion wrote:
Arrest me? And how long are they going to arrest me based on the crimes I have committed? Come on Volkov, where are you hoping to take this line of reasoning?

If you present a reasonable risk to people, they can hold you basically as long as they want.

Crime is a product of our profit-driven economic system; fix the root of the problem and crime becomes too insignificant to even justify a police force. The minute % of people who are actually psychopaths, sociopaths, and sexual deviants can be weeded out the old-fashioned way; again, police can not protect you from these people anyway; they can only arrest them after they have committed their heinous acts. It's probably better to deal with them at the end of a gun than it is with our absolutely sick penal system, which produces more pain and suffering than any sociopathic killer could ever do.

This is the biggest load of bullsh*t you've ever said, and I won't even dignify it with a response. Just rofl.
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6/6/2010 7:58:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 7:50:05 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 6/6/2010 7:44:45 AM, Rob1Billion wrote:
Arrest me? And how long are they going to arrest me based on the crimes I have committed? Come on Volkov, where are you hoping to take this line of reasoning?

If you present a reasonable risk to people, they can hold you basically as long as they want.

There has only recently been a development of this kind in the US, and it involves convicted killers being held in prison past their sentencing dates when they are clearly going to kill again. I've never heard of someone being held in jail indefinitely for making a threat, and even if they did, the person could just acquiesce and say they aren't going to do it and turn right around and find the person. This is not a system designed for protection. You are not safe right now, Volkov, because the police are out there scouring the streets like ants picking up the people that want to hurt you. You have only been conditioned to think that way.

Crime is a product of our profit-driven economic system; fix the root of the problem and crime becomes too insignificant to even justify a police force. The minute % of people who are actually psychopaths, sociopaths, and sexual deviants can be weeded out the old-fashioned way; again, police can not protect you from these people anyway; they can only arrest them after they have committed their heinous acts. It's probably better to deal with them at the end of a gun than it is with our absolutely sick penal system, which produces more pain and suffering than any sociopathic killer could ever do.

This is the biggest load of bullsh*t you've ever said, and I won't even dignify it with a response. Just rofl.

Wake up, Volkov. Wake up.
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6/6/2010 8:41:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/6/2010 7:50:05 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 6/6/2010 7:44:45 AM, Rob1Billion wrote:
Arrest me? And how long are they going to arrest me based on the crimes I have committed? Come on Volkov, where are you hoping to take this line of reasoning?

If you present a reasonable risk to people, they can hold you basically as long as they want.

And if you STFU like your lawyer tells you to.... you wont spend more than a night in jail.
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6/13/2010 1:14:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"Make no mistakes: Police are little more than a legitimate street gang authorized to do the bidding of the ruling class. In Portland this takes the form of harassing the homeless, racial minorities, leftists and anyone else creating an "unfriendly business climate." The question is not one of a few bad apples, but of the role of the police. Compare the role of police in protecting Tea Party members or Klansmen as compared to policing an anti-war protest or, even worse, striking workers. Police are not our guardians, but our warders, serving those who oppress and exploit us, regardless of their own personal motivations, feelings or subjective personal strengths."[1]

Also, see the video. #!

[1] http://redstartimes.com...
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6/13/2010 1:16:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/13/2010 1:14:58 PM, Reasoning wrote:
"Make no mistakes: Police are little more than a legitimate street gang authorized to do the bidding of the ruling class. In Portland this takes the form of harassing the homeless, racial minorities, leftists and anyone else creating an "unfriendly business climate."
In Portland almost everyone around is "leftist" n00b.
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6/13/2010 1:22:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
http://www.crimethinc.com...

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