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FREEDO
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6/10/2010 1:13:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:06:24 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/10/2010 12:50:28 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Do you ever approve of it's use?

If not, why?

If so, when and why?

If you're retaliating, go for it. If you're initiating, suck it.

This is my default position for now but, like always, I'm completely open to other ideas. I like Pacifists but Pacifism itself just seems so impractical until someone can prove me otherwise.
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6/10/2010 7:48:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It's very practical. It's practically suicide.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
brian_eggleston
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6/10/2010 8:02:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Fights may feel good at the time but I have always regretted them afterwards.

Either I lose, which happened when I picked a fight with a bloke who turned out to be the Commonwealth Middleweight Boxing Champion at the time and who took great pleasure in breaking several of my ribs.

Or I win, which happened when a bloke picked on me but I ended up being arrested for Grievous Bodily Harm and being thrown in the cells and later being ‘bound over to keep the peace' for five years.
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mattrodstrom
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6/10/2010 8:04:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
violence = least palatable way to get sh!t done

however, if something needs doing... it needs doing.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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Volkov
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6/10/2010 9:03:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
What matt said. Violence isn't wanted, but sometimes its the most effective way of getting stuff done.

And in all honesty, the idea of avoiding even the idea of violence or initiation of violence in your life is only practical if you are extremely sheltered. We're all going to come to these situations at some point, and you gotta do what you gotta do.
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6/10/2010 9:08:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Unfortunately, I have been in two fights in my life. These were two fights too many. (Don't worry guys, I didn't lose them.)

I think violence is completely avoidable if you know how to deal with opposition, compromise, and social knowledge.
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6/10/2010 9:12:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:08:22 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Unfortunately, I have been in two fights in my life. These were two fights too many. (Don't worry guys, I didn't lose them.)

I think violence is completely avoidable if you know how to deal with opposition, compromise, and social knowledge.

Things NOT to say when you are in a potentially violent situation:

"Don't you see that it's not me you are angry with, it's yourself."

"Yeah? Well I had your mum as well as your sister and they were both crap."

"Forget it mate, I don't fight queers."

(As if to mental patient) "Excuse me, is there someone that looks after you?"
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studentathletechristian8
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6/10/2010 9:13:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:12:46 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:08:22 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Unfortunately, I have been in two fights in my life. These were two fights too many. (Don't worry guys, I didn't lose them.)

I think violence is completely avoidable if you know how to deal with opposition, compromise, and social knowledge.

Things NOT to say when you are in a potentially violent situation:

"Don't you see that it's not me you are angry with, it's yourself."

"Yeah? Well I had your mum as well as your sister and they were both crap."

"Forget it mate, I don't fight queers."

(As if to mental patient) "Excuse me, is there someone that looks after you?"

I'm guessing you've said these before?
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6/10/2010 10:30:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Violence will force the will of the acting agent, but it always results in unexpected consequences.
in the blink of an eye you finally see the light
brian_eggleston
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6/10/2010 10:38:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:13:30 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:12:46 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:08:22 AM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Unfortunately, I have been in two fights in my life. These were two fights too many. (Don't worry guys, I didn't lose them.)

I think violence is completely avoidable if you know how to deal with opposition, compromise, and social knowledge.

Things NOT to say when you are in a potentially violent situation:

"Don't you see that it's not me you are angry with, it's yourself."

"Yeah? Well I had your mum as well as your sister and they were both crap."

"Forget it mate, I don't fight queers."

(As if to mental patient) "Excuse me, is there someone that looks after you?"

I'm guessing you've said these before?

Lol! No!
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Reasoning
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6/10/2010 10:41:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Violence is not the answer!
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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6/10/2010 10:45:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 8:02:55 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Fights may feel good at the time but I have always regretted them afterwards.

Either I lose, which happened when I picked a fight with a bloke who turned out to be the Commonwealth Middleweight Boxing Champion at the time and who took great pleasure in breaking several of my ribs.

Or I win, which happened when a bloke picked on me but I ended up being arrested for Grievous Bodily Harm and being thrown in the cells and later being ‘bound over to keep the peace' for five years.

you don't always regret them, but yeah... i got a bad beating off a polish fella the night of my birthday. kinda quitened me down a small bit. i don't think i'd play sport only for the fighting though.
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6/10/2010 10:47:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 1:06:24 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/10/2010 12:50:28 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Do you ever approve of it's use?

If not, why?

If so, when and why?

If you're retaliating, go for it. If you're initiating, suck it.

what if you think you're about to be attacked?
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Ragnar_Rahl
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6/10/2010 11:04:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 10:41:50 AM, Reasoning wrote:
Violence is not the answer!

Sure it is the answer to itself.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
J.Kenyon
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6/10/2010 7:46:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:12:46 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:

Things NOT to say when you are in a potentially violent situation:

"Don't you see that it's not me you are angry with, it's yourself."

"Yeah? Well I had your mum as well as your sister and they were both crap."

"Forget it mate, I don't fight queers."

(As if to mental patient) "Excuse me, is there someone that looks after you?"

Lol, I always read everything you say in a British accent. Makes it sound funnier.
Rezzealaux
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6/10/2010 8:10:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
One of these days, FREEDO will be open to refutations against the laws of logic.

I called it.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

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Volkov
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6/10/2010 8:17:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 8:10:22 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
One of these days, FREEDO will be open to refutations against the laws of logic.

I called it.

Care to make it interesting? xD
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6/10/2010 9:01:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Violence only belongs in the Video Games
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6/10/2010 9:28:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:01:34 PM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Violence only belongs in the Video Games

So if somebody tried to kill you, you would do nothing to defend yourself?
FREEDO
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6/11/2010 1:40:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
After thinking about it longer here is my new attitude on the matter. Violence should ONLY be used in retaliation or to stop an imminent danger that must be stopped. But that does in no way mean it should ALWAYS be used for those things. Violence is a last resort behind negotiation and the such. Violence should be avoided at all costs. The only time it should be used when your sure it's the only way to stop even more of it.
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6/11/2010 1:46:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 1:40:35 PM, FREEDO wrote:
After thinking about it longer here is my new attitude on the matter. Violence should ONLY be used in retaliation or to stop an imminent danger that must be stopped. But that does in no way mean it should ALWAYS be used for those things. Violence is a last resort behind negotiation and the such. Violence should be avoided at all costs. The only time it should be used when your sure it's the only way to stop even more of it.

Okay, so this is fairly recent too. This guy at the gym has been bugging the crap out of me. I'll be on a cardio machine in my own world reading a book listening to music, and he'll jump out at me and scare the crap out of me, and it really made me mad. He did this a couple of times and i warned him that i would hit him, but he didn't take it seriously. Last week he did it again, and i hit him on the side of his head, and told him it would be worse next time. He apologized profusely and sincerely, and hasn't done it again. He's still a little twerp, but he doesn't sneak up on me anymore.
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6/11/2010 2:16:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 2:13:24 PM, Mirza wrote:
Sometimes, we can only use violence to create peace.

Like stoning adulterers

It speaks for itself.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
Mirza
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6/11/2010 2:19:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 2:16:39 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Like stoning adulterers
That is a rare case and that is not the only way!

I am talking about something similar to a situation where a country is preparing for a blitzkrieg tactic against another one.
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6/11/2010 2:22:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 2:19:38 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/11/2010 2:16:39 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Like stoning adulterers
That is a rare case and that is not the only way!

yeah... but it demonstrates the trade-offs nice.

IF you bludgeon adulterers over the head with rocks (as Muhammed does) then you have a much lower occurence of that family devestating adultery.

I am talking about something similar to a situation where a country is preparing for a blitzkrieg tactic against another one.

oh. I was talking about bludgeoning "immoral" fornicators to death.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
Mirza
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6/11/2010 2:28:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 2:22:19 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
yeah... but it demonstrates the trade-offs nice.

IF you bludgeon adulterers over the head with rocks (as Muhammed does) then you have a much lower occurence of that family devestating adultery.

oh. I was talking about bludgeoning "immoral" fornicators to death.
Again, it is not the only solution, and if you want to go off-topic, the best thing is to actually start a new thread!