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mattrodstrom
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6/10/2010 8:38:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 6:00:27 PM, comoncents wrote:
Which are your favorite and why?

I like the idea of providing food for the needy...

and shelter and education education for disadvantaged children.

B/C these things can allow them to become intelligent and productive adults.

Which do yo loathe the most and why?

Giving money to anybody.

I think directly providing necessities is best. Giving cash is a bad idea.
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6/10/2010 8:47:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 8:38:42 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

I like the idea of providing food for the needy...

and shelter and education education for disadvantaged children.

B/C these things can allow them to become intelligent and productive adults.

I like these actually. I think if more people were educated, especially in third world countries alot of problems plaguing those countries would be more easily resolved.
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6/10/2010 8:55:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Social programs are for the weak.

People who socialize a lot have no talent that is why the socialize to reach the Top.

I have observed human nature and have found this.
"That song was absolutely waste of talent; you sounded like a wounded animal and who told you to play the guitar by yourself." Simon Cowell
mattrodstrom
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6/10/2010 8:59:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 8:38:42 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/10/2010 6:00:27 PM, comoncents wrote:
Which are your favorite and why?

I like the idea of providing food for the needy...

and shelter and education education for disadvantaged children.

B/C these things can allow them to become intelligent and productive adults.

Which do yo loathe the most and why?

Giving money to anybody.

I think directly providing necessities is best. Giving cash is a bad idea.

also... b/c I think stealing(taxing) is justified to secure these things for said people.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/10/2010 9:01:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 8:55:56 PM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Social programs are for the weak.

People who socialize a lot have no talent that is why the socialize to reach the Top.

I have observed human nature and have found this.

Should the poor just be ignored? What should be done to help counter poverty? Are you a social darwinist? I'm genuinely curious.
Reasoning
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6/10/2010 9:02:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 6:00:27 PM, comoncents wrote:
Which are your favorite and why?

"Public option". Because it was supposedly going to be self-sufficient.

Which do yo loathe the most and why?

I'll have to think about this.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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6/10/2010 9:04:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:02:36 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/10/2010 6:00:27 PM, comoncents wrote:
Which are your favorite and why?

"Public option". Because it was supposedly going to be self-sufficient.

Is your idea of public option everybody working for the collective good?
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6/10/2010 9:09:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:06:08 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Sometimes I think libertarians simply don't have a heart.

I have gotten that impression before too. inb4 criticism for "appeal to emotion".
Volkov
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6/10/2010 9:10:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Hm, let's see...

Healthcare, education, basic welfare - those are the three key social programs needed, in my opinion. They're all ingredients needed in order to keep an equal society chugging along.

A social program I hate? Well, I dunno if its a social program, but affirmative action certainly tops my list. Its such a silly idea.

And PoeJoe, libertarians do have hearts - they just tend to care more about themselves than others. That's both good and bad.
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6/10/2010 9:10:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:06:08 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Sometimes I think libertarians simply don't have a heart.

sometimes I think that no matter what Poejoe says I'll be annoyed.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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Volkov
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6/10/2010 9:12:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:11:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Disagreed with Volkov.

I am against national health care and welfare.

What about education? You missed one.
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6/10/2010 9:13:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:12:25 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:11:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Disagreed with Volkov.

I am against national health care and welfare.

What about education? You missed one.

I believe that education is a great tool for developing the minds of both the youth and the elderly, but I do not believe that school should be compulsory.
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6/10/2010 9:14:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:13:46 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I believe that education is a great tool for developing the minds of both the youth and the elderly, but I do not believe that school should be compulsory.

Fair enough.
studentathletechristian8
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6/10/2010 9:16:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
To me, national health care (government health care) is stupid. Anything run by the government is either inefficient or takes too much time. Health care run by the government takes both.

I am kind of a Social Darwinist.
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6/10/2010 9:17:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 6:00:27 PM, comoncents wrote:
Which are your favorite and why?

None.

Which do yo loathe the most and why?

Welfare.
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6/10/2010 9:17:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:13:46 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:12:25 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:11:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Disagreed with Volkov.

I am against national health care and welfare.

What about education? You missed one.

I believe that education is a great tool for developing the minds of both the youth and the elderly, but I do not believe that school should be compulsory.

School should certainly be compulsary, at least until a certain age. It's not just about learning acedemic subjects. It can also play a significant role in helping children develop socially.
Volkov
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6/10/2010 9:18:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:16:52 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I am kind of a Social Darwinist.

... Are you now?

So, you're essentially for the weak being killed off? The disabled murdered for being, well, disabled? Poor people dying because they're poor?

'Cause thats generally the views of a social Darwinist.
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6/10/2010 9:20:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:18:32 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:16:52 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
I am kind of a Social Darwinist.

... Are you now?
I don't know.

So, you're essentially for the weak being killed off?
NO!
The disabled murdered for being, well, disabled?
NO!
Poor people dying because they're poor?
NO!

'Cause thats generally the views of a social Darwinist.
studentathletechristian8
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6/10/2010 9:24:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:22:40 PM, Nags wrote:
It would be interesting if any of these people for social programs would actually form an argument for them.

Precisely.

When I think of Social Programs, I think of Government. When I think of Government, I am turned off. (Nags can get a good crack out of that one)
Volkov
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6/10/2010 9:25:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:22:40 PM, Nags wrote:
It would be interesting if any of these people for social programs would actually form an argument for them.

Too boring. It'd just end up in another what-is-the-state's-role? argument. We go through those a dozen a day in the forums.
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6/10/2010 9:28:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:24:55 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Precisely.

When I think of Social Programs, I think of Government. When I think of Government, I am turned off. (Nags can get a good crack out of that one)

You're always turned off, ay? Mister Asexual. Jk, Mister Abstinent.

At 6/10/2010 9:25:08 PM, Volkov wrote:
Too boring. It'd just end up in another what-is-the-state's-role? argument. We go through those a dozen a day in the forums.

How predictable.
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6/10/2010 9:29:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 9:28:08 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/10/2010 9:24:55 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Precisely.

When I think of Social Programs, I think of Government. When I think of Government, I am turned off. (Nags can get a good crack out of that one)

You're always turned off, ay? Mister Asexual. Jk, Mister Abstinent.
Sexually Abstinent. Yes, sir.

At 6/10/2010 9:25:08 PM, Volkov wrote:
Too boring. It'd just end up in another what-is-the-state's-role? argument. We go through those a dozen a day in the forums.

How predictable.