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Mao's Great Famine

Wallstreetatheist
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1/5/2015 5:52:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
This documentary is an objective, in-depth look at the disaster that claimed 42 million people's lives in communist China.

People were so hungry they started eating trees and mud as they lay in the streets starving to death. Once they died, many of their family members weren't strong enough to bury them, so they just rot on the side of the road.

The population wasn't starving to death because of lack of food. The state's granaries were full. During the time of the dynasties when there were famines, the emperors would open the granaries and give the food to those in distress; in contrast, the communist party--the regime that claimed to be for the people--refused to help the people. Whole families were camped around the granaries begging until the starvation finished them off.
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1/5/2015 5:24:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 5:52:50 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
This documentary is an objective, in-depth look at the disaster that claimed 42 million people's lives in communist China.

People were so hungry they started eating trees and mud as they lay in the streets starving to death. Once they died, many of their family members weren't strong enough to bury them, so they just rot on the side of the road.

The population wasn't starving to death because of lack of food. The state's granaries were full. During the time of the dynasties when there were famines, the emperors would open the granaries and give the food to those in distress; in contrast, the communist party--the regime that claimed to be for the people--refused to help the people. Whole families were camped around the granaries begging until the starvation finished them off.



Not surprising.
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1/5/2015 5:37:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:39:36 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Okay

I'm sorry, but people are busy discussing important issues, like the election. We don't have time for trivialities like this.
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1/5/2015 6:35:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 5:52:50 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
This documentary is an objective, in-depth look at the disaster that claimed 42 million people's lives in communist China.

People were so hungry they started eating trees and mud as they lay in the streets starving to death. Once they died, many of their family members weren't strong enough to bury them, so they just rot on the side of the road.

The population wasn't starving to death because of lack of food. The state's granaries were full. During the time of the dynasties when there were famines, the emperors would open the granaries and give the food to those in distress; in contrast, the communist party--the regime that claimed to be for the people--refused to help the people. Whole families were camped around the granaries begging until the starvation finished them off.



Stop with the pigeon-holing of socialists. Some of us oppose the state, you know.
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1/5/2015 10:29:05 PM
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At 1/5/2015 6:35:42 PM, Wocambs wrote:
Stop with the pigeon-holing of socialists. Some of us oppose the state, you know.

This is the greatest mass murder in history. More people should know about it. Whether it was done by a Christian Republican or a Malevolent Communist, it doesn't change the atrocity.

Yes, Mao was chiefly to blame, but the system of state communism is also to blame. When people believe the myth of authority, they follow superiors' commands with seemingly no moral culpability; they just follow orders.

Larken Rose states it very well: "I'm not scared of the Maos and the Stalins and the Hitlers. I'm scared of the thousands of millions of people that hallucinate them to be "authority", and so do their bidding, and pay for their empires, and carry out their orders. I don't care if there's one looney with a stupid moustache. He's not a threat if the people do not believe in 'authority'."
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1/5/2015 10:55:20 PM
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At 1/5/2015 10:29:05 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 1/5/2015 6:35:42 PM, Wocambs wrote:
Stop with the pigeon-holing of socialists. Some of us oppose the state, you know.

This is the greatest mass murder in history. More people should know about it. Whether it was done by a Christian Republican or a Malevolent Communist, it doesn't change the atrocity.

Yes, Mao was chiefly to blame, but the system of state communism is also to blame. When people believe the myth of authority, they follow superiors' commands with seemingly no moral culpability; they just follow orders.

Larken Rose states it very well: "I'm not scared of the Maos and the Stalins and the Hitlers. I'm scared of the thousands of millions of people that hallucinate them to be "authority", and so do their bidding, and pay for their empires, and carry out their orders. I don't care if there's one looney with a stupid moustache. He's not a threat if the people do not believe in 'authority'."

Are you trying to out-anarchist me or something? It's not going to happen. The quote also seems a little dumb. I mean, charisma, persuasiveness and coercion are real things. The power of a leader is derived from his followers but its not like they suddenly suffer from a hallucination which convinces them that there's a man out there they need to obey (God being an exception). Why try to absolve tyrants of their guilt and ignore the methods of control they use? Why isn't Larken Rose afraid of the tools used to gain submission?

Oh, that's right. Ancaps don't want us to analyse power. They'd rather we live in our basements, grow neckbeards, complain only about taxation, regulation and policing, alienate anyone who disagrees with us on that, and believe that control can only be established via the barrel of a gun or strange hallucinations. It's almost like you're playing right into someone's hands when you conclude that the belief in the legitimacy of the state is the only problem society has...
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1/6/2015 12:01:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Actually, that quote isn't half-bad, but what WSA fails to realise is that it applies just the same to the capitalist machine. A whole lot of people simply work or die; that's the entire beat of their lives (there is some heart-wrenching psychology behind this). Heck, NEETdom is a revolt on your revolt, WSA, calling 'wage-slaves' on the working class - and that's government sanctioned. Really, it's almost impossible to imagine a way of life that isn't imposed upon us (bar maybe anarcho-syndicalism or I dunno - stressing togetherness rather than competition bro).