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1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM
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If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs
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1/20/2015 9:04:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

Because my feelings don't want that, okay? Stop oppressing me with an accurate narrative of the past.


After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

White males only did all those things because they were oppressing other groups. Now that the oppression of white-man-style government has stopped oppressing people, places like Somalia can barely stop people from wanting to immigrate there.
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1/20/2015 9:24:34 PM
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At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

Morality doesn't work in the sense that you can do wrong and then do good to make up for the wrong. You're either doing wrong, or you are not doing wrong.
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1/20/2015 10:53:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 9:04:53 PM, Zarroette wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

Because my feelings don't want that, okay? Stop oppressing me with an accurate narrative of the past.


After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

White males only did all those things because they were oppressing other groups. Now that the oppression of white-man-style government has stopped oppressing people, places like Somalia can barely stop people from wanting to immigrate there.

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1/21/2015 12:58:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

You have yet to show how credit is being withheld in any way. The study of history points toward the opposite. Care for some cheese with your whine?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs
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1/21/2015 1:15:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

Actually, that is a myth. I would wager the West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization. History and invented history and history of inventions.. are all written by the victor. So yes, there are more geeks in the West than anywhere else in the world combined but prior to "invention" of genocide black people were just as inventive as white people througout human history. It the same thing, when people like Thomas Friedman say Bill Gates invented Globalization in the 21st century but it actually started in the 16th century somewhere else. So no, you just invented the word "invention". Here's lookin at you, kid?
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1/21/2015 3:23:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

You sound like youre a victim. Given the fact that you are actually 3 times less likely to be killed by a police officer vs a minority. And that you are privileged in society for the most part. What makes you feel like you yourself are so inferior to others.
Id like to know. =)
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1/21/2015 3:30:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 12:58:29 PM, Fly wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

You have yet to show how credit is being withheld in any way. The study of history points toward the opposite. Care for some cheese with your whine?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

You haven't been near a college campus recently obviously
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1/21/2015 3:57:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 3:30:20 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 1/21/2015 12:58:29 PM, Fly wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

You have yet to show how credit is being withheld in any way. The study of history points toward the opposite. Care for some cheese with your whine?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

You haven't been near a college campus recently obviously

So are you someone who is suffering from White guilt. Are you feeling like you are a pastime ? Are you feeling like your culture is being neglected ? Are you feeling like this ghetto culture is taking over America as we speak. Please speak now or forever hold your peace. =)
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1/21/2015 8:00:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

White people are more than happy to take credit for their accomplishments, just look at history books written by white folks that largely ignore the advancements of other people or their own atrocities they have committed, especially Christians (this has mostly been corrected in recent times, but not until the 90s). It wasn't until the 90s people started seeing Columbus as bad for instance or teaching it in schools. But I have never heard that white people today are "responsible" for the injustices of the past. However we do resent when the repercussions of those atrocities are not recognized in how they impact social relations and trends of today. Obviously it is not an accident that many black communities are poor for example. You have to look at history and how things got the way they are, instead of just being racist. That is what people say about "white privilege," that white people have to recognize how previous injustice against non-whites effects them today in such a way that white people are not automatically burdened. There is not many situations where white people are automatically disadvantaged, that's white privilege.
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1/21/2015 8:02:26 PM
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At 1/21/2015 1:15:33 PM, fazz wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

Actually, that is a myth. I would wager the West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization. History and invented history and history of inventions.. are all written by the victor. So yes, there are more geeks in the West than anywhere else in the world combined but prior to "invention" of genocide black people were just as inventive as white people througout human history. It the same thing, when people like Thomas Friedman say Bill Gates invented Globalization in the 21st century but it actually started in the 16th century somewhere else. So no, you just invented the word "invention". Here's lookin at you, kid?

"The West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization".

Democracy, early forms of enlightenment, literature, art, many aspects of science including atomic theory and astronomy, culture, technology. I apologize, but did any thought go into this statement? The Romans? The Greeks? Early civilizations in Britain, France and even Germany?

Many great early developments were also introduced in Asia, as well as Arab and African civilizations, but while their holy men and potentates rejected science and technology and philosophy, the West, even the Church, (with difficulty) embraced them.

The West certainly is responsible for many crimes against many foreign peoples, but can you name so much as 5 advanced and inventive civilizations post-Egyptian empire in Africa or in West Asia? Carthage and the Ottomans are the only ones that come to mind.
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1/21/2015 8:54:28 PM
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At 1/21/2015 8:00:27 PM, East wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

White people are more than happy to take credit for their accomplishments, just look at history books written by white folks that largely ignore the advancements of other people or their own atrocities they have committed, especially Christians (this has mostly been corrected in recent times, but not until the 90s). It wasn't until the 90s people started seeing Columbus as bad for instance or teaching it in schools. But I have never heard that white people today are "responsible" for the injustices of the past. However we do resent when the repercussions of those atrocities are not recognized in how they impact social relations and trends of today. Obviously it is not an accident that many black communities are poor for example. You have to look at history and how things got the way they are, instead of just being racist. That is what people say about "white privilege," that white people have to recognize how previous injustice against non-whites effects them today in such a way that white people are not automatically burdened. There is not many situations where white people are automatically disadvantaged, that's white privilege.

Right. And it's whitie's fault and problem that the black poor in America have it made compared to the rich blacks in Ebolaland.

By that reasoning it's the American black person's fault and problem for not going back to the motherland to help the disadvantaged there.
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1/21/2015 9:10:32 PM
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At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

White men are devils incapable of doing good. Didn't you attend your college indoctrination sessions?
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1/21/2015 9:30:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 8:02:26 PM, Dyre wrote:
At 1/21/2015 1:15:33 PM, fazz wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

Actually, that is a myth. I would wager the West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization. History and invented history and history of inventions.. are all written by the victor. So yes, there are more geeks in the West than anywhere else in the world combined but prior to "invention" of genocide black people were just as inventive as white people througout human history. It the same thing, when people like Thomas Friedman say Bill Gates invented Globalization in the 21st century but it actually started in the 16th century somewhere else. So no, you just invented the word "invention". Here's lookin at you, kid?

"The West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization".

Democracy, early forms of enlightenment, literature, art, many aspects of science including atomic theory and astronomy, culture, technology. I apologize, but did any thought go into this statement? The Romans? The Greeks? Early civilizations in Britain, France and even Germany?

The Romans and Greeks were the big ones, and that entire area went through a massive demographic drift after the collapse of Western Rome and the Hun invasions. I don't think you can add those to the score card of 'white people'. Most of the biggest contributions have been very recent.

Many great early developments were also introduced in Asia, as well as Arab and African civilizations, but while their holy men and potentates rejected science and technology and philosophy, the West, even the Church, (with difficulty) embraced them.

Ummmm, NO. Mu`tazila was a school of Islam which adopted a huge amount of reason and learning. They developed the medical text which the West would use in their universities for over five centuries. Their ideas were also adopted in part by Ibn Rushd, or Averroes, who, though he was controversial, continues to be an influential and highly respected scholar of the Ash'ari school to this day.

This is all in part because the Arabic society had adopted and incorporated the Hellenic educational and philosophical tradition, and also due to the fact that their entire societal structure was meant to maintain a stable pluralism, with multiple rules of law and interfaith contact at the scholarly level only. They built a society which was intensely focused on science, learning, and logic, from which the West received a potent infusion of enlightenment through the channel of Aquinas and the School Men's reconciliation of Averroism with Catholicism. At the time, the introduction of Averroism was intensely resisted by the Church, and the dynamic era of debate which it sparked in the 13th century eventually faded out, only to resurface as Erasmian Humanism during the Renaissance.

So much of what we have today is a legacy of the meeting of cultures that took place under the Caliphate of Cordoba.

And as for the East, you can't be serious. China, the Khmer Empire, and Korea are just dismissed out of hand? China contributed a huge amount of knowledge and discovery to the world which is ridiculous to dismiss.

The West certainly is responsible for many crimes against many foreign peoples, but can you name so much as 5 advanced and inventive civilizations post-Egyptian empire in Africa or in West Asia? Carthage and the Ottomans are the only ones that come to mind.

Carthage
Almoravid Empire
Rashidun Caliphate
Abbasid Caliphate
Umayyad Caliphate
Sassanid Persia
Ghaznavid Empire
Seljuk Empire
Ottoman Empire
Vandal Kingdom
Abyssinia
Axum
Himyarite Kingdom
Mali Empire
Songhai Empire
Timurid Empire
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1/21/2015 9:38:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

I'm not an SJW but I'd guess because we only had the opportunity to do good because others were denied said opportunities. Also some of the good that was done was more 'stop being bad' so it doesn't quite count.
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1/21/2015 11:56:15 PM
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At 1/21/2015 8:02:26 PM, Dyre wrote:
At 1/21/2015 1:15:33 PM, fazz wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

Actually, that is a myth. I would wager the West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization. History and invented history and history of inventions.. are all written by the victor. So yes, there are more geeks in the West than anywhere else in the world combined but prior to "invention" of genocide black people were just as inventive as white people througout human history. It the same thing, when people like Thomas Friedman say Bill Gates invented Globalization in the 21st century but it actually started in the 16th century somewhere else. So no, you just invented the word "invention". Here's lookin at you, kid?

"The West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization".

Oops!! I sort of implied the industrial revolution as the giant leap forward for the West. But apparently it started in Egypt as well. So it seems that whole Colonization crap was just a huge ego trip. Slavery was a conveniont footnote as well. But the history of James Watt discovering the steam pressure to start Industrial Age actually started in egypt: http://edsdoors.com.... The only difference was that Egyptians didnt go search for egotistic glory and using their knowledge to make weapons instead of using it for other purposes. I was gonna hand over credit of Colonialism and Slavery to you but even that seems to have been plagiarized now.

Democracy, early forms of enlightenment, literature, art, many aspects of science including atomic theory and astronomy, culture, technology. I apologize, but did any thought go into this statement? The Romans? The Greeks? Early civilizations in Britain, France and even Germany?

That's five different cultures. The greeks prefer a marxist-socialist revolution while you occupy-bots sit at home and play video games living the American dream. The greeks invented a lot of shett, all you invented was Fox News. And hello, France is calling? It wants its democratic ideals back from you Tea Party scum: http://money.cnn.com...

Many great early developments were also introduced in Asia, as well as Arab and African civilizations, but while their holy men and potetatortots rejected science and technology and philosophy, the West, even the Church, (with difficulty) embraced them.

Who are you calling a potato?

The West certainly is responsible for many crimes against many foreign peoples, but can you name so much as 5 advanced and inventive civilizations post-Egyptian empire in Africa or in West Asia? Carthage and the Ottomans are the only ones that come to mind.

I love how you excuse your inventions. Your so-called democracy and slavery go hand in hand. It like the Pharaohs claiming they invented the Pyramids but we all know the slaves built them on their backs. You can't wash your black money with white lies.
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1/22/2015 12:55:57 AM
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At 1/21/2015 11:56:15 PM, fazz wrote:
At 1/21/2015 8:02:26 PM, Dyre wrote:
At 1/21/2015 1:15:33 PM, fazz wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

Actually, that is a myth. I would wager the West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization. History and invented history and history of inventions.. are all written by the victor. So yes, there are more geeks in the West than anywhere else in the world combined but prior to "invention" of genocide black people were just as inventive as white people througout human history. It the same thing, when people like Thomas Friedman say Bill Gates invented Globalization in the 21st century but it actually started in the 16th century somewhere else. So no, you just invented the word "invention". Here's lookin at you, kid?

"The West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization".

Oops!! I sort of implied the industrial revolution as the giant leap forward for the West. But apparently it started in Egypt as well. So it seems that whole Colonization crap was just a huge ego trip. Slavery was a conveniont footnote as well. But the history of James Watt discovering the steam pressure to start Industrial Age actually started in egypt: http://edsdoors.com.... The only difference was that Egyptians didnt go search for egotistic glory and using their knowledge to make weapons instead of using it for other purposes. I was gonna hand over credit of Colonialism and Slavery to you but even that seems to have been plagiarized now.

Democracy, early forms of enlightenment, literature, art, many aspects of science including atomic theory and astronomy, culture, technology. I apologize, but did any thought go into this statement? The Romans? The Greeks? Early civilizations in Britain, France and even Germany?

That's five different cultures. The greeks prefer a marxist-socialist revolution while you occupy-bots sit at home and play video games living the American dream. The greeks invented a lot of shett, all you invented was Fox News. And hello, France is calling? It wants its democratic ideals back from you Tea Party scum: http://money.cnn.com...

Many great early developments were also introduced in Asia, as well as Arab and African civilizations, but while their holy men and potetatortots rejected science and technology and philosophy, the West, even the Church, (with difficulty) embraced them.

Who are you calling a potato?

The West certainly is responsible for many crimes against many foreign peoples, but can you name so much as 5 advanced and inventive civilizations post-Egyptian empire in Africa or in West Asia? Carthage and the Ottomans are the only ones that come to mind.

I love how you excuse your inventions. Your so-called democracy and slavery go hand in hand. It like the Pharaohs claiming they invented the Pyramids but we all know the slaves built them on their backs. You can't wash your black money with white lies.

Much of the West's progress was made on the backs of slaves. Much of Africa's progress was made on slaves (usually other Africans). Much of the Arab world's progress was made on the backs of slaves. I am not certain when the last history course you took was, but I suspect a refresher would reveal humanity is a bit like that.

I do not take offense at your charges against the West; they are all true. Instead it is the petty and vulgar tribalism with which you attempt to ascribe crimes against members of an entire race. It is the accusatory and bitter tones of using the word "you" when speaking of "black money". The Africans slaughtered each other, and when possible, slaughtered the white man, just as the white man did to them and many other parts of the world.

You accuse me by my ancestor's crimes because they had the technology and development to defeat others. Were any African or Arab civilization to have garnered these assets first, we would be engaged in a very different conversion.
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1/22/2015 4:07:09 AM
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At 1/22/2015 12:55:57 AM, Dyre wrote:
At 1/21/2015 11:56:15 PM, fazz wrote:
At 1/21/2015 8:02:26 PM, Dyre wrote:
At 1/21/2015 1:15:33 PM, fazz wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

Actually, that is a myth. I would wager the West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization. History and invented history and history of inventions.. are all written by the victor. So yes, there are more geeks in the West than anywhere else in the world combined but prior to "invention" of genocide black people were just as inventive as white people througout human history. It the same thing, when people like Thomas Friedman say Bill Gates invented Globalization in the 21st century but it actually started in the 16th century somewhere else. So no, you just invented the word "invention". Here's lookin at you, kid?

"The West did not invent anything prior to European Colonization".

Oops!! I sort of implied the industrial revolution as the giant leap forward for the West. But apparently it started in Egypt as well. So it seems that whole Colonization crap was just a huge ego trip. Slavery was a conveniont footnote as well. But the history of James Watt discovering the steam pressure to start Industrial Age actually started in egypt: http://edsdoors.com.... The only difference was that Egyptians didnt go search for egotistic glory and using their knowledge to make weapons instead of using it for other purposes. I was gonna hand over credit of Colonialism and Slavery to you but even that seems to have been plagiarized now.

Democracy, early forms of enlightenment, literature, art, many aspects of science including atomic theory and astronomy, culture, technology. I apologize, but did any thought go into this statement? The Romans? The Greeks? Early civilizations in Britain, France and even Germany?

That's five different cultures. The greeks prefer a marxist-socialist revolution while you occupy-bots sit at home and play video games living the American dream. The greeks invented a lot of shett, all you invented was Fox News. And hello, France is calling? It wants its democratic ideals back from you Tea Party scum: http://money.cnn.com...

Many great early developments were also introduced in Asia, as well as Arab and African civilizations, but while their holy men and potetatortots rejected science and technology and philosophy, the West, even the Church, (with difficulty) embraced them.

Who are you calling a potato?

The West certainly is responsible for many crimes against many foreign peoples, but can you name so much as 5 advanced and inventive civilizations post-Egyptian empire in Africa or in West Asia? Carthage and the Ottomans are the only ones that come to mind.

I love how you excuse your inventions. Your so-called democracy and slavery go hand in hand. It like the Pharaohs claiming they invented the Pyramids but we all know the slaves built them on their backs. You can't wash your black money with white lies.

Much of the West's progress was made on the backs of slaves. Much of Africa's progress was made on slaves (usually other Africans). Much of the Arab world's progress was made on the backs of slaves. I am not certain when the last history course you took was, but I suspect a refresher would reveal humanity is a bit like that.

I do not take offense at your charges against the West; they are all true. Instead it is the petty and vulgar tribalism with which you attempt to ascribe crimes against members of an entire race. It is the accusatory and bitter tones of using the word "you" when speaking of "black money". The Africans slaughtered each other, and when possible, slaughtered the white man, just as the white man did to them and many other parts of the world.

You accuse me by my ancestor's crimes because they had the technology and development to defeat others. Were any African or Arab civilization to have garnered these assets first, we would be engaged in a very different conversion.

Nobody is accusing you, not me at all. My teacher told me "The West" is a made up thing, an imaginary land. You are who you choose to be. Just as I choose to be me. I just wanted to show you how it feels when people call me a Muslim. Don't call me a Muslim. I am not from the east. I belong here.
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1/22/2015 9:52:43 AM
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At 1/22/2015 7:24:28 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If I applied for a college, I would be at a disadvantage because of affirmative action.

That is a lie. That's not how affirmative action works. In fact I'm pretty sure that application of it is illegal. Plus it doesn't really make white people oppressed because someone with the name Jamaal Brown or LaQueesha Jackson might be automatically discriminated against too, it works both ways.
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1/22/2015 9:56:02 AM
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At 1/21/2015 8:54:28 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Right. And it's whitie's fault and problem that the black poor in America have it made compared to the rich blacks in Ebolaland.

By that reasoning it's the American black person's fault and problem for not going back to the motherland to help the disadvantaged there.

None of what I said mentioned "whitie's fault" in any way, but yes the laws enacted and upheld by white people that enslaved blacks and kept them oppressed through state measures up until Civil Rights did have repercussions that affect black communities today. I guess fault can be talked about in that way. As for blacks in Africa, failure to eradicate dictators and outdated political monarch oppressors is responsible for the situation of most people there. But many of the people in power are black, so race is irrelevant. This post of yours seems a little bit hostile. Calm down cracka :-)
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1/22/2015 10:34:53 AM
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At 1/21/2015 8:00:27 PM, East wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

White people are more than happy to take credit for their accomplishments, just look at history books written by white folks that largely ignore the advancements of other people or their own atrocities they have committed, especially Christians (this has mostly been corrected in recent times, but not until the 90s). It wasn't until the 90s people started seeing Columbus as bad for instance or teaching it in schools. But I have never heard that white people today are "responsible" for the injustices of the past. However we do resent when the repercussions of those atrocities are not recognized in how they impact social relations and trends of today. Obviously it is not an accident that many black communities are poor for example. You have to look at history and how things got the way they are, instead of just being racist. That is what people say about "white privilege," that white people have to recognize how previous injustice against non-whites effects them today in such a way that white people are not automatically burdened. There is not many situations where white people are automatically disadvantaged, that's white privilege.

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Your statement about the White man being responsible for the suggested blights of the black man is refuted by other black men and women who lived under the same social environments of life under the white mans position. If black people have been denied because of their race how then do you explain the success of those other black people down through history who were successful while being black in a White mans world.
Frederick Douglass wrote ."....What shall we do with the negro?" I have had but one answer from the beginning. Do nothing with us! Your doing with us has already played the mischief with us. Do nothing with us! If the apples will not remain on the tree of their own strength, if they are worm-eaten at the core, if they are early ripe and disposed to fall, let them fall! I am not for tying or fastening them on the tree in any way, except by nature's plan, and if they will not stay there, let them fall. And if the negro cannot stand on his own legs, let him fall also. All I ask is, give him a chance to stand on his own legs! Let him live or die by that. If you will only untie his hands, and give him a chance, I think he will live. Perhaps the reason why the black race isn't further along at present is that many of them were waiting for someone else to lift them up and advance them when the best thing the white man could have done was as Frederick Douglass wrote," Leave them alone.."
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1/22/2015 11:02:32 AM
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At 1/22/2015 7:24:28 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If I applied for a college, I would be at a disadvantage because of affirmative action.

That's false. Even with that included it benefits some Whites. But you are still more likely to be accepted into any college even with average grades.
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1/22/2015 11:09:03 AM
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At 1/22/2015 10:34:53 AM, Lookingatissues wrote:
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Your statement about the White man being responsible for the suggested blights of the black man is refuted by other black men and women who lived under the same social environments of life under the white mans position. If black people have been denied because of their race how then do you explain the success of those other black people down through history who were successful while being black in a White mans world.

If white people kept black people enslaved and politically oppressed then yes white people are responsible for the oppression, period. As for post Civil Rights yes us individuals are responsible for our own livelihood despite whatever struggles we were born into or encountered along the way, the same as everyone else. But you cannot ignore the repercussions of previous laws and mentalities impacting things in society today. For instance there is still heavy racism in the south. Everyone is trying to turn around what I said when I did not say white people are directly responsible, I said previous policies enacted by white people have effects that linger today. Yall crazy.
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1/22/2015 1:47:35 PM
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At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

White men do get credit for all the they've done in the past. Do we not learn about all the contributions they have made in school. How else do you expect them to receive credit? White history month? But no one is keeping score. So if you think one would over shadow the other, you are looking at this the wrong way. The simple fact that you believe white people deserve more credit or credit at all is kind of ridiculous. Every race has made important contributions throughout history.

"So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs"

This is just as ridic as a black guy saying rap music is for "us". I never actually thought a white person would actually agree it exist.
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1/22/2015 2:23:25 PM
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At 1/22/2015 1:47:35 PM, Df0512 wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

White men do get credit for all the they've done in the past. Do we not learn about all the contributions they have made in school. How else do you expect them to receive credit? White history month? But no one is keeping score. So if you think one would over shadow the other, you are looking at this the wrong way. The simple fact that you believe white people deserve more credit or credit at all is kind of ridiculous. Every race has made important contributions throughout history.

"So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs"

This is just as ridic as a black guy saying rap music is for "us". I never actually thought a white person would actually agree it exist.

That is somewhat true. But as time goes forth the balance of power shifts. More minorities are gaining ground in politics, religion, education, entertainment, and sports. So people are now beginning to admonish the accomplishments that have and are being done by people of color.
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1/22/2015 3:50:55 PM
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At 1/22/2015 2:23:25 PM, inferno wrote:
At 1/22/2015 1:47:35 PM, Df0512 wrote:
At 1/20/2015 8:05:22 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
If white men today have to shoulder part of the blame for such evils as slavery and oppression that white men in the past committed, why do we not get credit for all the good things white men have done in the past?

After all, it is hard to deny that white men have done both more evil and more good than any other group.

Inventions, modern institutions, etc. all largely were created by white men. So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs

White men do get credit for all the they've done in the past. Do we not learn about all the contributions they have made in school. How else do you expect them to receive credit? White history month? But no one is keeping score. So if you think one would over shadow the other, you are looking at this the wrong way. The simple fact that you believe white people deserve more credit or credit at all is kind of ridiculous. Every race has made important contributions throughout history.

"So, maybe all that "white male privilege" isn't as unearned as many argue it is. I'm looking at SJWs"

This is just as ridic as a black guy saying rap music is for "us". I never actually thought a white person would actually agree it exist.

That is somewhat true. But as time goes forth the balance of power shifts. More minorities are gaining ground in politics, religion, education, entertainment, and sports. So people are now beginning to admonish the accomplishments that have and are being done by people of color.

I just don't believe in the "balance of power". That would mean white people now have power over black people. I don't believe that. The mindset that there are "sides" only adds to the problem. Expectations are too high. If we gain anymore ground we will be infringing upon people right to be racist. And we can't get rid of the concept of racism. Tis just tells me that if there are sides today there will be sides forever becuase black people will never be fully satisfied and white people will never fully agree.