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A question for Minarchists.

FREEDO
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6/23/2010 5:54:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You say only initiation of force should be out-lawed.

But what do you think about the out-lawing of mind-control?

Set aside whether or not you believe it is true(which the facts point towards that it is).
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6/23/2010 6:01:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 5:54:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
You say only initiation of force should be out-lawed.

But what do you think about the out-lawing of mind-control?

By what means?
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Reasoning
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6/23/2010 6:33:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 5:54:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
But what do you think about the out-lawing of mind-control?

Mind Control has single-handedly made FLIP effects unplayable.[1] Ban.

[1] http://yugioh.wikia.com...
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6/23/2010 6:51:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
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6/23/2010 6:53:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 6:33:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/23/2010 5:54:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
But what do you think about the out-lawing of mind-control?

Mind Control has single-handedly made FLIP effects unplayable.[1] Ban.

[1] http://yugioh.wikia.com...

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6/23/2010 6:54:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 6:33:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/23/2010 5:54:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
But what do you think about the out-lawing of mind-control?

Mind Control has single-handedly made FLIP effects unplayable.[1] Ban.

[1] http://yugioh.wikia.com...

Hey, that's not as bad as Change of Heart, which didn't prevent tributes or attacking. Plus, they could always introduce suicidal flip effects to hurt the Mind Controller who flips it unknowingly, so there's still hope for Yu-Gi-Oh.
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6/23/2010 6:56:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"Mind control (or thought control) has the premise that an outside source can control an individual's thinking, behavior or consciousness (either directly or more subtly)."

http://www.wordiq.com...

"Mind control (also known as brainwashing, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform) refers to a process in which a group or individual "systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated".[1] The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual's sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making."

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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Reasoning
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6/23/2010 7:11:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 6:54:15 PM, mongeese wrote:
Hey, that's not as bad as Change of Heart, which didn't prevent tributes or attacking.

Change of Heart is already banned.

Plus, they could always introduce suicidal flip effects to hurt the Mind Controller who flips it unknowingly, so there's still hope for Yu-Gi-Oh.

Firstly, you get to look at the monster before you choose to flip summon it and secondly, they have, see Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter[1], and that is what makes it so good. You take their Ryko, flip it and kill another of their cards or if they don't have any Ryko itself.

[1] http://yugioh.wikia.com...
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6/23/2010 7:12:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 6:33:44 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/23/2010 5:54:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
But what do you think about the out-lawing of mind-control?

Mind Control has single-handedly made FLIP effects unplayable.[1] Ban.

[1] http://yugioh.wikia.com...

I lol'd.
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mongeese
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6/23/2010 7:15:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 7:11:40 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/23/2010 6:54:15 PM, mongeese wrote:
Hey, that's not as bad as Change of Heart, which didn't prevent tributes or attacking.

Change of Heart is already banned.

I know. They banned all of the old Magic Cards, and yet they make something like Double Summon. What the heck?

Plus, they could always introduce suicidal flip effects to hurt the Mind Controller who flips it unknowingly, so there's still hope for Yu-Gi-Oh.

Firstly, you get to look at the monster before you choose to flip summon it

They should change that rule!

and secondly, they have, see Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter[1], and that is what makes it so good. You take their Ryko, flip it and kill another of their cards or if they don't have any Ryko itself.

So you basically get to turn their effect against them. Not extremely broken. However, if they changed the rule, then threw in a monster that, when flipped, cost you 1000 Life Points automatically, but restored 1000 Life Points when it is tributed...
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6/23/2010 7:20:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 7:19:43 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Ok....lets get off the subject of Yugioh...

As my friend Brittani would say "bringin it in..bringin it in.."
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6/23/2010 7:37:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"I have been convinced that we, as an Order, have come under the power of some very evil occult Order, profoundly versed in science both occult and otherwise, though not infallible, their methods being BLACK MAGIC, that is to say, ELECTRO-MAGNETIC POWER, hypnotism and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Order is being controlled by some Sun Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that Order itself." - The Duke of Brunswick (Grand Master of World Freemasonry)
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mongeese
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6/23/2010 7:39:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 7:37:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"I have been convinced that we, as an Order, have come under the power of some very evil occult Order, profoundly versed in science both occult and otherwise, though not infallible, their methods being BLACK MAGIC, that is to say, ELECTRO-MAGNETIC POWER, hypnotism and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Order is being controlled by some Sun Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that Order itself." - The Duke of Brunswick (Grand Master of World Freemasonry)

Sounds like the plot of a Yu-Gi-Oh season.
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6/23/2010 8:30:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 6:01:55 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 6/23/2010 5:54:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
You say only initiation of force should be out-lawed.

But what do you think about the out-lawing of mind-control?

By what means?

Ping.

Give a scenario.
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J.Kenyon
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6/23/2010 9:03:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/23/2010 7:39:01 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/23/2010 7:37:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"I have been convinced that we, as an Order, have come under the power of some very evil occult Order, profoundly versed in science both occult and otherwise, though not infallible, their methods being BLACK MAGIC, that is to say, ELECTRO-MAGNETIC POWER, hypnotism and powerful suggestion. We are convinced that the Order is being controlled by some Sun Order, after the nature of the Illuminati, if not by that Order itself." - The Duke of Brunswick (Grand Master of World Freemasonry)

Sounds like the plot of a Yu-Gi-Oh season.

Meh, sounds more like something DATCMOTO would say on an acid trip.