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6/24/2010 9:08:21 AM
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What tax system do you think would cause the fairest and most equitable distribution of the tax burden
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6/24/2010 11:11:01 AM
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At 6/24/2010 9:08:21 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What tax system do you think would cause the fairest and most equitable distribution of the tax burden

A flat tax. But it needs to be really flat. Like 0.
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6/24/2010 11:13:29 AM
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At 6/24/2010 11:11:01 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/24/2010 9:08:21 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What tax system do you think would cause the fairest and most equitable distribution of the tax burden

A flat tax. But it needs to be really flat. Like 0.

So although you advocate a tax where everyone is taxed completely equally you would prefer no tax at all?
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6/24/2010 11:19:20 AM
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Redistributive taxes are the fairest. 90% Capital Gains and Inheritance Taxes would raise enough money to allow low-paid workers to be taken out of the tax system altogether.
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6/24/2010 11:19:22 AM
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At 6/24/2010 11:13:29 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 6/24/2010 11:11:01 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/24/2010 9:08:21 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
What tax system do you think would cause the fairest and most equitable distribution of the tax burden

A flat tax. But it needs to be really flat. Like 0.

So although you advocate a tax where everyone is taxed completely equally you would prefer no tax at all?

No, I do not advocate for any tax.

Except perhaps a tax on government employees equal to their salary, or a tax on the military industrial complex, or a tax on the sugar industy, etc. Until the State has been toppled that is, but those would be good reforms.

Or we could have a poll tax for women! Wow, that's a really good idea, actually. Females are generally more in favor of the welfare state, and so this would reduce the number of statist voters, and it would generate revenue for the State to offset the welfare State itself! We could tax minorities too, except asians, I'm pretty sure asian immigrants, at least in the Americas are generally more libertarian than average. I'm a genius.
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6/24/2010 11:21:08 AM
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At 6/24/2010 11:19:20 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Redistributive taxes are the fairest. 90% Capital Gains and Inheritance Taxes would raise enough money to allow low-paid workers to be taken out of the tax system altogether.

So what you are saying is that we should take the people who make the most and are the most successful and punish them for it while rewarding those that have not succeed?
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6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM
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Capital Gains and Inheritance Taxes are unearned income.

Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

A man with a privileged family background who inherits a mansion from a relative or withdraws the price of a Ferrari from his trust fund, and who has never done a day's work in his life, deserves to contribute more in tax.
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6/24/2010 11:58:26 AM
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At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Capital Gains and Inheritance Taxes are unearned income.
Capital gains is earned by investing, which is a productive activity. Inheritance is earned by the bestower.

A man with a privileged family background who inherits a mansion from a relative or withdraws the price of a Ferrari from his trust fund, and who has never done a day's work in his life, deserves to contribute more in tax.
He "deserves" nothing of the sort. He also doesn't deserve the inheritance-- but the relative deserves to dictate where the money goes. And the state does not deserve the inheritance.
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6/24/2010 12:00:06 PM
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At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Capital Gains and Inheritance Taxes are unearned income.

I gave one of my friends $20 for their birthday. I guess that was unearned income and it should be taxed by some arbitrary amount. 50%? 60%? 64%? Who knows? Also, I don't really own my stuff if I can't give it away. In fact, this is part of the human right, recognized by the UN, of free association.

Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

Amen, and this is the great evil of the State, that preys upon them to prop up the capitalists and their fortunes, keeping the laboring masses '"n their place".

A man with a privileged family background who inherits a mansion from a relative or withdraws the price of a Ferrari from his trust fund, and who has never done a day's work in his life, deserves to contribute more in tax.

He hasn't harmed anyone, you have no right.
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6/24/2010 12:06:36 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:04:02 PM, badger wrote:
would we not eventually turn communist if inheritance was taxed too much?

that's probably ridiculous. i'm just thinking of the likes of bill gates dying and the state getting his company.
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6/24/2010 12:22:16 PM
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At 6/24/2010 11:19:22 AM, Reasoning wrote:
Or we could have a poll tax for women! Wow, that's a really good idea, actually. Females are generally more in favor of the welfare state, and so this would reduce the number of statist voters, and it would generate revenue for the State to offset the welfare State itself! We could tax minorities too, except asians, I'm pretty sure asian immigrants, at least in the Americas are generally more libertarian than average. I'm a genius.

So, Reasoning is also sexist and racist...

Good to know. Now he's more irrelevant than ever,
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6/24/2010 12:35:04 PM
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At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Capital Gains and Inheritance Taxes are unearned income.

Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.


So you are saying that only the amount of physical labor involved should determine how much someone gets paid?
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6/24/2010 12:43:36 PM
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At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

What if I go on top of a volcano mining for lava all day? This would undoubtedly be one of the most dangerous and physically demanding jobs on Earth. Surely, virtually no one would pay for my services. How much taxes do I get?
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6/24/2010 12:45:46 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:43:36 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

What if I go on top of a volcano mining for lava all day? This would undoubtedly be one of the most dangerous and physically demanding jobs on Earth. Surely, virtually no one would pay for my services. How much taxes do I get?

what?
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6/24/2010 12:48:51 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:45:46 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/24/2010 12:43:36 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

What if I go on top of a volcano mining for lava all day? This would undoubtedly be one of the most dangerous and physically demanding jobs on Earth. Surely, virtually no one would pay for my services. How much taxes do I get?

what?

He says the physically demanding and dangerous jobs deserve to receive the most tax dollars. Lava mining is dangerous and physically demanding. And I'm asking, satirically of course, how much tax dollars would a lava miner receive? Looking at it this way, you can see that giving tax dollars out on the virtue of physically demanding and dangerous jobs is silly.
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6/24/2010 12:54:22 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:48:51 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/24/2010 12:45:46 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/24/2010 12:43:36 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

What if I go on top of a volcano mining for lava all day? This would undoubtedly be one of the most dangerous and physically demanding jobs on Earth. Surely, virtually no one would pay for my services. How much taxes do I get?

what?

He says the physically demanding and dangerous jobs deserve to receive the most tax dollars. Lava mining is dangerous and physically demanding. And I'm asking, satirically of course, how much tax dollars would a lava miner receive? Looking at it this way, you can see that giving tax dollars out on the virtue of physically demanding and dangerous jobs is silly.

i don't think that's what he's saying. i think he's saying that inheritance should be taxed more because the person who gets it did nothing to deserve it, and the poor should be taxed less because they're actually working for what little they get. it's got nothing to do with manual labour... just what people deserve.
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6/24/2010 12:57:32 PM
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i don't think that's what he's saying. i think he's saying that inheritance should be taxed more because the person who gets it did nothing to deserve it, and the poor should be taxed less because they're actually working for what little they get. it's got nothing to do with manual labour... just what people deserve.

So what is your definition of earning something?
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6/24/2010 12:58:03 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:54:22 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/24/2010 12:48:51 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/24/2010 12:45:46 PM, badger wrote:

i don't think that's what he's saying. i think he's saying that inheritance should be taxed more because the person who gets it did nothing to deserve it, and the poor should be taxed less because they're actually working for what little they get. it's got nothing to do with manual labour... just what people deserve.

I don't understand, what claim does the government have on a dead man's money? Do the wishes of the dead man count for nothing?
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6/24/2010 12:58:14 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:57:32 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:

i don't think that's what he's saying. i think he's saying that inheritance should be taxed more because the person who gets it did nothing to deserve it, and the poor should be taxed less because they're actually working for what little they get. it's got nothing to do with manual labour... just what people deserve.

So what is your definition of earning something?

working for it.
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6/24/2010 2:15:53 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:22:16 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 6/24/2010 11:19:22 AM, Reasoning wrote:
Or we could have a poll tax for women! Wow, that's a really good idea, actually. Females are generally more in favor of the welfare state, and so this would reduce the number of statist voters, and it would generate revenue for the State to offset the welfare State itself! We could tax minorities too, except asians, I'm pretty sure asian immigrants, at least in the Americas are generally more libertarian than average. I'm a genius.

So, Reasoning is also sexist and racist...

Good to know. Now he's more irrelevant than ever,

I guess that makes the Anarca-Feminist Emma Goldman, who was imprisoned several times for illegally distributing information about birth control, sexist.

"[Emma Goldman] disagreed with the movement for women's suffrage, which demanded the right of women to vote." - Wikipedia[1]

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6/24/2010 2:22:02 PM
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I would support removing the power of the ballot from females.

And males.

And intersexed, transgendered, hermaphroditic, etc.
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6/24/2010 2:45:28 PM
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I do not advocate taxes.

But within the context of taxes, what I would prefer is a flat tax within a Socialist system. A highly progressive tax within a Capitalistic system.
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6/24/2010 2:56:25 PM
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At 6/24/2010 12:43:36 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

What if I go on top of a volcano mining for lava all day? This would undoubtedly be one of the most dangerous and physically demanding jobs on Earth. Surely, virtually no one would pay for my services. How much taxes do I get?

In eggleston's plan, you keep all of your revenue, not taxed at all. Given that nobody buys lava, you'd end up with nothing.
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6/24/2010 3:06:45 PM
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At 6/24/2010 2:56:25 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/24/2010 12:43:36 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/24/2010 11:53:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Factory workers, miners, shipbuilders and so on work long hours in physically demanding, dangerous jobs. They deserve to keep as much of what little they get paid to take home to their families.

What if I go on top of a volcano mining for lava all day? This would undoubtedly be one of the most dangerous and physically demanding jobs on Earth. Surely, virtually no one would pay for my services. How much taxes do I get?

In eggleston's plan, you keep all of your revenue, not taxed at all. Given that nobody buys lava, you'd end up with nothing.

i'd buy lava.
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6/24/2010 3:08:38 PM
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At 6/24/2010 3:06:45 PM, badger wrote:
i'd buy lava.

That'd depend on the price.
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6/24/2010 3:11:54 PM
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At 6/24/2010 3:08:38 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/24/2010 3:06:45 PM, badger wrote:
i'd buy lava.

That'd depend on the price.

true. wouldn't it just turn into rock soon after i bought it?
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6/24/2010 3:14:51 PM
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At 6/24/2010 3:11:54 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/24/2010 3:08:38 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/24/2010 3:06:45 PM, badger wrote:
i'd buy lava.

That'd depend on the price.

true. wouldn't it just turn into rock soon after i bought it?

lava is free

it's the container that would be pricey.
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6/24/2010 3:18:05 PM
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At 6/24/2010 3:14:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/24/2010 3:11:54 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/24/2010 3:08:38 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 6/24/2010 3:06:45 PM, badger wrote:
i'd buy lava.

That'd depend on the price.

true. wouldn't it just turn into rock soon after i bought it?

lava is free

it's the container that would be pricey.

tungsten should do it.
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