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Strikeeagle84015
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6/25/2010 7:03:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Do you think that a nations government is ultimately towards its people its own national interests or the world as a whole.
Why or why not?
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6/25/2010 7:42:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'd say their responsibility is ultimately serving the people of their nation. For the most part, a country's government should stay out of international affairs.
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6/25/2010 7:44:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/25/2010 7:42:29 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I'd say their responsibility is ultimately serving the people of their nation. For the most part, a country's government should stay out of international affairs.

Agreed.
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6/25/2010 7:58:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Its customers.
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6/25/2010 8:05:19 PM
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I think that each government acts in it's own interests, and that of it's constituents. They may mask it in the form of being beneficial to the whole, but every nation is in a constant strive for one upsmanship.
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6/25/2010 8:08:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/25/2010 7:03:06 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Do you think that a nations government is ultimately towards its people its own national interests or the world as a whole.
Why or why not?

A government's responsibility is to protect it's citizens from attacking nations and to keep it's citizens free from non-consentual harms via a police force. That's it.
When large numbers of otherwise-law abiding people break specific laws en masse, it's usually a fault that lies with the law. - Unknown
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6/25/2010 8:58:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
It depends on the system. Republics will tend to act in a manner that will keep its individual members elected. Dictatorships will tend to act in a manner that will keep themselves from being overthrown. What they should do is run the military and the courts.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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6/25/2010 9:45:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/25/2010 8:58:23 PM, wjmelements wrote:
It depends on the system. Republics will tend to act in a manner that will keep its individual members elected. Dictatorships will tend to act in a manner that will keep themselves from being overthrown. What they should do is run the military and the courts.

The point of the thread is in whose interests to run such, not what they should run :P
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6/25/2010 10:52:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I would say that a nation's classical goal has always been to favor its own at any cost, but I would like to see that change. Patriotism is macro-pride, and only works to divide different peoples.
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6/25/2010 11:07:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/25/2010 10:52:31 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
Patriotism is macro-pride
Why are you tempting me to switch to "Patriotism: Pro?"
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6/26/2010 2:50:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The responsibility of a nation's government is only to protect the lives and rights of the people who that government serves. When a government starts to look at the problems of the world, it will usually do more damage than good. Although the intentions are good, the ends are usually non-constructive and allow the nation who was supposed to be helped to make the same mistakes they made to get themselves in a bad situation. Take the American foreign policy as an example. For years, we have "supported" African governments by giving a large amount of financial aide to them through our government. Tossing money at a bad situation has only allowed the bad economic policies to continue, and the situation remains just as bad for the African people. Governments need to allow struggling nations to learn from their economic and domestic policies in order for those nations to advance. When it comes to government, it is best to look at the problems of the governed, and not to think that any one nation knows what is best for the world.
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6/26/2010 8:18:16 AM
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Government has a responsibility to dissolve itself.
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6/27/2010 11:09:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:04:32 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The reality is that politicians serve themselves above anything else.

Oh? You have a direct hotline into the mindset of every single politician in existence?
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6/27/2010 11:11:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:09:40 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:04:32 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The reality is that politicians serve themselves above anything else.

Oh? You have a direct hotline into the mindset of every single politician in existence?

I didn't say all. Indeed, there are a few who are different. But politicians in general are all about the wealth and power.
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6/27/2010 11:18:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:11:53 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:09:40 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:04:32 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The reality is that politicians serve themselves above anything else.

Oh? You have a direct hotline into the mindset of every single politician in existence?

I didn't say all. Indeed, there are a few who are different. But politicians in general are all about the wealth and power.

You generalised to all of them.

How do you know, in any case?
innomen
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6/27/2010 11:26:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:18:11 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:11:53 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:09:40 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:04:32 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The reality is that politicians serve themselves above anything else.

Oh? You have a direct hotline into the mindset of every single politician in existence?

I didn't say all. Indeed, there are a few who are different. But politicians in general are all about the wealth and power.

You generalised to all of them.

How do you know, in any case?

The primary purpose of every elected official is to get re-elected; it is the nature of power; in my humble opinion.
Kinesis
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6/27/2010 11:29:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:26:10 AM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:18:11 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:11:53 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:09:40 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:04:32 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The reality is that politicians serve themselves above anything else.

Oh? You have a direct hotline into the mindset of every single politician in existence?

I didn't say all. Indeed, there are a few who are different. But politicians in general are all about the wealth and power.

You generalised to all of them.

How do you know, in any case?

The primary purpose of every elected official is to get re-elected; it is the nature of power; in my humble opinion.

What do you mean?
FREEDO
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6/27/2010 11:37:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:18:11 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:11:53 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:09:40 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:04:32 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The reality is that politicians serve themselves above anything else.

Oh? You have a direct hotline into the mindset of every single politician in existence?

I didn't say all. Indeed, there are a few who are different. But politicians in general are all about the wealth and power.

You generalised to all of them.

How do you know, in any case?

Do you not constantly see what they do? The corruption they are consumed with, the deals the make, the bribes the take?
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6/27/2010 11:38:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:29:53 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:26:10 AM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:18:11 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:11:53 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:09:40 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:04:32 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The reality is that politicians serve themselves above anything else.

Oh? You have a direct hotline into the mindset of every single politician in existence?

I didn't say all. Indeed, there are a few who are different. But politicians in general are all about the wealth and power.

You generalised to all of them.

How do you know, in any case?

The primary purpose of every elected official is to get re-elected; it is the nature of power; in my humble opinion.

What do you mean?

Power is always the ultimate goal of any politician. Politicians who have honorable desires are either changed by the process or lose to the process - the end result is a government of officials that have a primary purpose of retaining, or expanding their current power. It is the flaw of the system that is inherent in our nature, but i is unavoidable except with some checks and balances.
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6/27/2010 11:44:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The only two politicians I've seen that aren't so unbelievably corrupt are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Pail. Probably because their driven by idealistic aspirations.
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6/27/2010 11:51:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:44:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The only two politicians I've seen that aren't so unbelievably corrupt are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Pail. Probably because their driven by idealistic aspirations.

They're human and subject to the same fallibility as the rest of us, we just don't see it as much with them. I'm sure i can find some huge hypocrisy in their voting and their "philosophical stance". I'm pretty cynical about this stuff. Paul stands a better chance of being somewhat ethical because he's not a lawyer. Kucinich has been a professional politician his whole life.
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6/27/2010 11:51:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:44:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The only two politicians I've seen that aren't so unbelievably corrupt are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Pail.
Pail? Is that what he carries the shrimp in?
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6/27/2010 11:53:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 11:51:53 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 6/27/2010 11:44:45 AM, FREEDO wrote:
The only two politicians I've seen that aren't so unbelievably corrupt are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Pail.
Pail? Is that what he carries the shrimp in?

LMAO
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6/27/2010 12:27:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 12:24:47 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The government is responsible for whatever it's citizens edict it does.

In the land of Panda where it rains gum drops and the clouds are made of cotton candy.
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6/27/2010 12:29:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 12:27:41 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:24:47 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The government is responsible for whatever it's citizens edict it does.

In the land of Panda where it rains gum drops and the clouds are made of cotton candy.

? If the majority elect someone, and agree with what thy will do, that's the governments responsibilities, as long as it doesn't violate a constitution. I have views on what the government should do, but that's me. The thread is concerning what the government's responsibilities are, not what they should do. And that, sir, is my answer.
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6/27/2010 12:32:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 12:29:55 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:27:41 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:24:47 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The government is responsible for whatever it's citizens edict it does.

In the land of Panda where it rains gum drops and the clouds are made of cotton candy.

? If the majority elect someone, and agree with what thy will do, that's the governments responsibilities, as long as it doesn't violate a constitution. I have views on what the government should do, but that's me. The thread is concerning what the government's responsibilities are, not what they should do. And that, sir, is my answer.

As long as human nature doesn't interfere with the individuals elected you'll be fine, because that would never happen, but you are right, that is what they should do.

Don't get me wrong, i think that the land of Panda would be a very fine place.
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6/27/2010 12:35:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 12:32:38 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:29:55 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:27:41 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:24:47 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The government is responsible for whatever it's citizens edict it does.

In the land of Panda where it rains gum drops and the clouds are made of cotton candy.

? If the majority elect someone, and agree with what thy will do, that's the governments responsibilities, as long as it doesn't violate a constitution. I have views on what the government should do, but that's me. The thread is concerning what the government's responsibilities are, not what they should do. And that, sir, is my answer.

As long as human nature doesn't interfere with the individuals elected you'll be fine, because that would never happen, but you are right, that is what they should do.

I don't get the point you're trying to make. That candidates break promises? I understand that, but that's what term limits, a constitution and an occasional revolution are for.


Don't get me wrong, i think that the land of Panda would be a very fine place.

Much better than Mother Russia imo.
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6/27/2010 12:45:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/27/2010 12:35:16 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:32:38 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:29:55 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:27:41 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/27/2010 12:24:47 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The government is responsible for whatever it's citizens edict it does.

In the land of Panda where it rains gum drops and the clouds are made of cotton candy.

? If the majority elect someone, and agree with what thy will do, that's the governments responsibilities, as long as it doesn't violate a constitution. I have views on what the government should do, but that's me. The thread is concerning what the government's responsibilities are, not what they should do. And that, sir, is my answer.

As long as human nature doesn't interfere with the individuals elected you'll be fine, because that would never happen, but you are right, that is what they should do.

I don't get the point you're trying to make. That candidates break promises? I understand that, but that's what term limits, a constitution and an occasional revolution are for.
See above posts. I'm sort of mixing contexts - my error.


Don't get me wrong, i think that the land of Panda would be a very fine place.

Much better than Mother Russia imo.

Odds are it would be warmer.