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annhasle
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6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Does any government have the right to discharge a soldier for being homosexual? I ask this since my cousin was dishonorably discharged last year from the Marines for being a homosexual. Is that an infringement on personal rights?
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.
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6/26/2010 8:16:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Does any government have the right to discharge a soldier for being homosexual? I ask this since my cousin was dishonorably discharged last year from the Marines for being a homosexual. Is that an infringement on personal rights?

That's the retarded DADT policy.

Well, the military is mandated by the government, so I believe that, unfortunately, the government does have that right.

It's f*cked up. Can't wait for Obama to end it. (I hope).

Nonetheless, it's the Marines' loss. Tell you cos to keep his head up.
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6/26/2010 8:17:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

Does my contention make sense, or not really?
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6/26/2010 8:18:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:16:32 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Does any government have the right to discharge a soldier for being homosexual? I ask this since my cousin was dishonorably discharged last year from the Marines for being a homosexual. Is that an infringement on personal rights?

That's the retarded DADT policy.

Well, the military is mandated by the government, so I believe that, unfortunately, the government does have that right.

The government doesn't have any rights. It's contract is null.
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6/26/2010 8:18:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:17:09 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Does my contention make sense, or not really?

Well, the military is mandated by the government, so I believe that, unfortunately, the government does have that right

Well, X is mandated by the government, so the government has the right to do X.
Replace X with rape or the such, and you'll see how it is nonsensical.

No, it doesn't make sense. Although I do disagree with DADT.
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6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.
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6/26/2010 8:20:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:18:51 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:17:09 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Does my contention make sense, or not really?

Well, the military is mandated by the government, so I believe that, unfortunately, the government does have that right

Well, X is mandated by the government, so the government has the right to do X.
Replace X with rape or the such, and you'll see how it is nonsensical.

No, it doesn't make sense. Although I do disagree with DADT.

Makes sense how you explain it. I never got into learning about syllogisms and the like, so I'm not quite good at them yet. (Hopefully I used "syllogism" correctly.)

At least that's one thing we have in commom. (Disagreement with the DADT policy.)
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6/26/2010 8:20:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Yep. Discrimination sucks and has no place in our modern world.
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6/26/2010 8:20:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Nevertheless, the cousin did sign a contract. You can't deny that.
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6/26/2010 8:21:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:20:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Yep. Discrimination sucks and has no place in our modern world.

In one way or another, it's likely that discrimination will always exist in one form or another in this world.
PoeJoe
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6/26/2010 8:21:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:20:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Nevertheless, the cousin did sign a contract. You can't deny that.

The contract is null because it is unlawful. Like I said, it discriminates based on sexual preference.
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6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
An unlawful contract

It's legal... so I'd say it's lawful.

Aside from the technicalities, I see little to no reasons to make a consensual contract illegal.

which discriminates based on sexual preference.

I discriminate based on sexual preference all the time. I only hook up with girls -- is that illegal as well?
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6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:20:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Nevertheless, the cousin did sign a contract. You can't deny that.

The government has no rights! It forfeits them when it takes away ours. Just as a criminal. The contract means nothing.
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6/26/2010 8:22:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:21:29 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:20:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Yep. Discrimination sucks and has no place in our modern world.

In one way or another, it's likely that discrimination will always exist in one form or another in this world.

Sadly, yes. However, we can work towards reducing it.
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6/26/2010 8:23:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:21:54 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:20:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Nevertheless, the cousin did sign a contract. You can't deny that.

The contract is null because it is unlawful. Like I said, it discriminates based on sexual preference.

I understand. I agree that it does discriminate based on sexual preference. That's obvious. (Reference to the DADT policy.)

So FREEDO was right in his reasoning for saying that it was null?
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6/26/2010 8:23:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:21:29 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:20:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Yep. Discrimination sucks and has no place in our modern world.

In one way or another, it's likely that discrimination will always exist in one form or another in this world.

De facto discrimination cannot be a reason for enacting de jure discrimination.
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6/26/2010 8:23:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
An unlawful contract

It's legal... so I'd say it's lawful.

Aside from the technicalities, I see little to no reasons to make a consensual contract illegal.

which discriminates based on sexual preference.

I discriminate based on sexual preference all the time. I only hook up with girls -- is that illegal as well?

LMAO.
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6/26/2010 8:26:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:20:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Nevertheless, the cousin did sign a contract. You can't deny that.

The government has no rights! It forfeits them when it takes away ours. Just as a criminal. The contract means nothing.

Let's go with your idea. Let's abolish our government entirely, and get rid of the police, military, and courts. After we've done all that, let's announce our successful new program to the rest of the world so that they can see the fruits of our labor. After you've done that, I'll come back in a week to see how you're doing... or to clean up some of the mess.
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6/26/2010 8:27:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:26:21 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:20:56 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

Nevertheless, the cousin did sign a contract. You can't deny that.

The government has no rights! It forfeits them when it takes away ours. Just as a criminal. The contract means nothing.

Let's go with your idea. Let's abolish our government entirely, and get rid of the police, military, and courts. After we've done all that, let's announce our successful new program to the rest of the world so that they can see the fruits of our labor. After you've done that, I'll come back in a week to see how you're doing... or to clean up some of the mess.

LMAO. This thread is funny ;)
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6/26/2010 8:27:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:18:51 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:17:09 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
Does my contention make sense, or not really?

Well, the military is mandated by the government, so I believe that, unfortunately, the government does have that right

Well, X is mandated by the government, so the government has the right to do X.
Replace X with rape or the such, and you'll see how it is nonsensical.

No, it doesn't make sense. Although I do disagree with DADT.

rape and discrimination are two very different things though.
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6/26/2010 8:27:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

which law does it break???
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6/26/2010 8:27:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM, Nags wrote:
Aside from the technicalities, I see little to no reasons to make a consensual contract illegal.

I sign a contract that you can murder me.

That contract, although conscensually signed, is null, because murder is illegal.

Similarly, DADT is illegal, because it discriminates against sexual preference.

which discriminates based on sexual preference.

I discriminate based on sexual preference all the time. I only hook up with girls -- is that illegal as well?

No. But if you started a business and only allowed those who claimed to be heterosexual in, then that would be illegal. Furthermore, if you found out that one of the supposed "heterosexuals" in your restaurant was actually in your opinion gay, and if you kicked that gay person out, then that would also be illegal.
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6/26/2010 8:28:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

is discrimination against the law?
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6/26/2010 8:29:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:27:30 PM, badger wrote:
rape and discrimination are two very different things though.

The principles are the same, that's what matters. Discrimination should be legal. Whether or not discrimination maximizes military efficiency is another debate though.
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6/26/2010 8:29:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:28:25 PM, badger wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:19:42 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:16:17 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:13:44 PM, annhasle wrote:
Is that an infringement on personal rights?

No. Your cousin signed a contract.

An unlawful contract which discriminates based on sexual preference.

is discrimination against the law?

In this manner, yes.
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6/26/2010 8:30:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:29:35 PM, Nags wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:27:30 PM, badger wrote:
rape and discrimination are two very different things though.

The principles are the same, that's what matters. Discrimination should be legal. Whether or not discrimination maximizes military efficiency is another debate though.

should be illegal?
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6/26/2010 8:30:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:27:52 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM, Nags wrote:
Aside from the technicalities, I see little to no reasons to make a consensual contract illegal.

I sign a contract that you can murder me.

That contract, although conscensually signed, is null, because murder is illegal.

Similarly, DADT is illegal, because it discriminates against sexual preference.

which discriminates based on sexual preference.

I discriminate based on sexual preference all the time. I only hook up with girls -- is that illegal as well?

No. But if you started a business and only allowed those who claimed to be heterosexual in, then that would be illegal. Furthermore, if you found out that one of the supposed "heterosexuals" in your restaurant was actually in your opinion gay, and if you kicked that gay person out, then that would also be illegal.

I'm confused, though. If you make your own business, don't you have the choice of hiring whom you desire? Although the main reason to reject the potential worker may be because of the worker's sexual preference, I'm sure the owner could come up with a different excuse. For example, a local pizza place (that is not a franchise) only hires people of Italian descent. Is that illegal, even if the business isn't franchised?
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6/26/2010 8:30:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/26/2010 8:27:52 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 6/26/2010 8:22:19 PM, Nags wrote:
Aside from the technicalities, I see little to no reasons to make a consensual contract illegal.

I sign a contract that you can murder me.

That contract, although conscensually signed, is null, because murder is illegal.

Similarly, DADT is illegal, because it discriminates against sexual preference.

this is illegal???

further... even if you show such discrimination is "unlawful"... I'm pretty sure the terms of that "contract" are stipulated by the law... so... why does one law count more than another???
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