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7/1/2010 4:56:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I have no doubt that his legacy will be vindicated throughout time.

* He had two brutal dictatorships overthrown (Iraq and Afghanistan) and gave freedom to 50,000,000 people.

* He enacted many policies to successfully defend the country from terrorist attacks.

* He enacted the most tax cuts of any other president (most of the tax reduction legislation went to the middle and lower class).

* He strengthened U.S. relations with India, Israel, United Kingdom, and Australia.

* He peacefully negotiated the rescue of the EP-3 crew in China.

* He enacted several anti-abortion laws.

* He pressured Libya to end their weapons of mass destruction program.

* He started a program to help third world countries and prevent the poorest people in the world from getting diseased.

* He realized the need to reform Social Security before it goes bankrupt.
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7/1/2010 5:09:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 4:56:25 AM, minervx wrote:
I have no doubt that his legacy will be vindicated throughout time.

* He had two brutal dictatorships overthrown (Iraq and Afghanistan) and gave freedom to 50,000,000 people.

At the cost of many American and coalition/ISAF lives, as well as the lives of civilians, nevermind the fact that these wars are continuing on nearly a decade after their start.

* He enacted many policies to successfully defend the country from terrorist attacks.

While degrading civil liberties and creating a quasi-police state.

* He enacted the most tax cuts of any other president (most of the tax reduction legislation went to the middle and lower class).

Lol, you need to stop drinking the kool-aid, bud.

* He strengthened U.S. relations with India, Israel, United Kingdom, and Australia.

While simutaneously managing to get the citizens of those countries to hate their leaders for being so subservient to Bush's idiotic policies.

* He peacefully negotiated the rescue of the EP-3 crew in China.

No person outside of the political bubble knows or cares.

* He enacted several anti-abortion laws.

That's not exactly a good thing.

* He pressured Libya to end their weapons of mass destruction program.

That I'll give you.

* He started a program to help third world countries and prevent the poorest people in the world from getting diseased.

That's also true.

* He realized the need to reform Social Security before it goes bankrupt.

Yet he did nothing to help it. I mean, realizing it =/= changing it.

Yeah, Bush is going to be loved.
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7/1/2010 6:50:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 4:56:25 AM, minervx wrote:
I have no doubt that his legacy will be vindicated throughout time.

* He had two brutal dictatorships overthrown (Iraq and Afghanistan) and gave freedom to 50,000,000 people.

Iraq still doesn't have a fully functioning government and civilians are attacked by insurgents on a daily basis. Meanwhile, in Afghanistan, the Taliban still control large swathes of territory and the country is still the world's largest producer of heroin.

* He enacted many policies to successfully defend the country from terrorist attacks.

Sorry, wasn't Bush in power on September 11th 2001? Or weren't the incidents that occurred on that day in New York, Washington and elsewhere serious enough to be described as "terrorist attacks"?

* He enacted the most tax cuts of any other president (most of the tax reduction legislation went to the middle and lower class).

Tax cuts for the rich at the expense of vital public services are not universally welcomed, especially among those on low and middle incomes.

* He strengthened U.S. relations with India, Israel, United Kingdom, and Australia.

The victims of US-funded Israeli weapons in Lebanon and the illegally-occupied Palestinian Territories would not thank Bush for propping up a rogue state that continually violates international law and deprives its Arab citizens of their human rights purely on the basis of their ethnicity.

* He peacefully negotiated the rescue of the EP-3 crew in China.

If they hadn't violated Chinese airspace on a US Government mission there would not have been an incident to resolve. The US had to back down and issue a humiliating public apology in order to secure the airmen's release.

* He enacted several anti-abortion laws.

Which limited women's freedom of choice and may have brought many unwanted babies into an already overcrowded world. This is not a "good thing"?

* He pressured Libya to end their weapons of mass destruction program.

Actually Bush stood on the sidelines, it was Tony Blair that visited Libya and persuaded Colonel Gadaffi to come in from the cold.

* He started a program to help third world countries and prevent the poorest people in the world from getting diseased.

It was not successful. The world's poor are getting poorer while the rich are getting richer (if you don't believe me, I can produce the Boston Consulting report that was published only last month that confirms the extent of the problem.)

* He realized the need to reform Social Security before it goes bankrupt.

Or he could have increased revenue by closing the loopholes the rich use to avoid paying their fair share of tax, but since they funded his election campaigns, he wasn't going to bite the hands that fed him. So it was the poor that suffered once again.

What a nice guy?
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7/1/2010 6:50:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 6:34:09 AM, feverish wrote:
OP's admiration for Bush should be considered in the context of his admiration for Thatcher.

Haha! Good point!
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7/1/2010 7:36:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Keep in mind that Truman had similar approval ratings when leaving the office, and now he is considered one of our better presidents. Time is funny on its effect on history; for a long long time JFK was considered a great president (particularly in my neck of the woods, and i never understood this). Finally there are some people that are taking a more objective look at the man and his presidency.
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7/1/2010 10:32:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 10:31:31 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
People defend their religions with less zeal than Bush-haters rationalize their hatred of Bush.

* applaud*
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7/1/2010 10:34:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 10:31:31 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
People defend their religions with less zeal than Bush-haters rationalize their hatred of Bush.

Well he did attack several Middle Eastern countries and kills innocents. It's no wonder muslims are being labeled as evil. Apparently they're not allowed to defend themselves. Only Americans are. :) No, I'm not supporting terrorism. I'm just saying that many of their actions are justified although their methods of fighting back suck.
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7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 7:36:08 AM, innomen wrote:
Keep in mind that Truman had similar approval ratings when leaving the office, and now he is considered one of our better presidents. Time is funny on its effect on history; for a long long time JFK was considered a great president (particularly in my neck of the woods, and i never understood this). Finally there are some people that are taking a more objective look at the man and his presidency.

Truman is not a fair comparison, I feel. Look at some of the things that happened during his administration: the U.S. supports the creation of and joins the U.N.; the Marshall Plan rebuilds Europe (and, as such, Western Civilization); NATO, and he desegregated the military. Some others who are not me would also add the Truman Doctrine (containment) and use of the Atomic Bomb to that list. I am not claiming there were no negatives - there were plenty.

Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?
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7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.
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7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.
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7/1/2010 11:02:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

Ha ha! Brilliant! You just made Bush my new favorite president.
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7/1/2010 11:06:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.

Lol @ Bush being a socialist.
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7/1/2010 11:07:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:06:22 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.

Lol @ Bush being a socialist.

Got a better name for "person who wants the welfare state to swallow everything?"
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7/1/2010 11:12:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:07:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:06:22 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.

Lol @ Bush being a socialist.

Got a better name for "person who wants the welfare state to swallow everything?"

He didn't want a welfare state. He cut taxes. You need taxes in order to have a welfare state. GO TAXES! GO WELFARE STATES!
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7/1/2010 11:14:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:12:29 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:07:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:06:22 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.

Lol @ Bush being a socialist.

Got a better name for "person who wants the welfare state to swallow everything?"

He didn't want a welfare state. He cut taxes. You need taxes in order to have a welfare state. GO TAXES! GO WELFARE STATES!

But he also expanded Medicare drastically by adding Medicare part D
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7/1/2010 11:15:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:14:24 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:12:29 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:07:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:06:22 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.

Lol @ Bush being a socialist.

Got a better name for "person who wants the welfare state to swallow everything?"

He didn't want a welfare state. He cut taxes. You need taxes in order to have a welfare state. GO TAXES! GO WELFARE STATES!

But he also expanded Medicare drastically by adding Medicare part D

Why shouldn't the poor have healthcare? Give me one good reason, and none of that "they didn't pay for it" bullsh*t.
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7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:15:56 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:14:24 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:12:29 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:07:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:06:22 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.

Lol @ Bush being a socialist.

Got a better name for "person who wants the welfare state to swallow everything?"

He didn't want a welfare state. He cut taxes. You need taxes in order to have a welfare state. GO TAXES! GO WELFARE STATES!

But he also expanded Medicare drastically by adding Medicare part D

Why shouldn't the poor have healthcare? Give me one good reason, and none of that "they didn't pay for it" bullsh*t.

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P
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7/1/2010 11:19:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:15:56 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:14:24 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:12:29 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:07:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:06:22 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:01:45 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:58:30 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
At 7/1/2010 10:46:01 AM, JBlake wrote:
Can you name anything that came out of the Bush Administration that is so significant and far reaching?

Well, like... a sort of Hitler effect.

We now know what not to become, and he almost single-handedly spawned a whole generations of liberals and libertarians, totally against authoritarianism.

Sometimes, you can be so bad that you become good for America. A wake up call.

As a socialist you should be able to come up with something else you like about him. Like his massive expansion of government in the economy.

Lol @ Bush being a socialist.

Got a better name for "person who wants the welfare state to swallow everything?"

He didn't want a welfare state. He cut taxes. You need taxes in order to have a welfare state. GO TAXES! GO WELFARE STATES!

But he also expanded Medicare drastically by adding Medicare part D

Why shouldn't the poor have healthcare? Give me one good reason, and none of that "they didn't pay for it" bullsh*t.

I am not saying they shouldn't I am just saying that I should not have my money taken from me by force to pay for it honestly if they stopped Medicare I would be willing to shell out a few bucks to keep my grandparents alive
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7/1/2010 11:20:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P

1- I wasn't directing the question at you. 2- I was referring to government healthcare in general, not just for the elderly. 3- That isn't a good reason. Ever learned to share? Being generous is a good quality to have too.
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7/1/2010 11:20:44 AM
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Also, notably, medicare is racist. It's a transfer of wealth not just from young to old, but also from black (less likely to live as long) to white :P
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7/1/2010 11:21:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:20:14 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P

1- I wasn't directing the question at you. 2- I was referring to government healthcare in general, not just for the elderly. 3- That isn't a good reason. Ever learned to share? Being generous is a good quality to have too.

If you wanna be counterproductive maybe.
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7/1/2010 11:21:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:20:14 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P

1- I wasn't directing the question at you. 2- I was referring to government healthcare in general, not just for the elderly. 3- That isn't a good reason. Ever learned to share? Being generous is a good quality to have too.

I am happy to share and give heck 10% of my paycheck goes to charity but I don't think the government has the right to force me to be charitable and to share
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7/1/2010 11:23:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:21:51 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:20:14 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P

1- I wasn't directing the question at you. 2- I was referring to government healthcare in general, not just for the elderly. 3- That isn't a good reason. Ever learned to share? Being generous is a good quality to have too.

I am happy to share and give heck 10% of my paycheck goes to charity but I don't think the government has the right to force me to be charitable and to share

I think the government does. People can be greedy basterds. The government needs to step in somewhere to put a limit on this and ensure the welfare of all.
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7/1/2010 11:24:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:23:49 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:21:51 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:20:14 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P

1- I wasn't directing the question at you. 2- I was referring to government healthcare in general, not just for the elderly. 3- That isn't a good reason. Ever learned to share? Being generous is a good quality to have too.

I am happy to share and give heck 10% of my paycheck goes to charity but I don't think the government has the right to force me to be charitable and to share

I think the government does. People can be greedy basterds. The government needs to step in somewhere to put a limit on this and ensure the welfare of all.

So the government needs to make sure that people develop good character traits and not bad habits kinda like parents or a nanny?
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7/1/2010 11:24:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:23:49 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:21:51 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:20:14 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P

1- I wasn't directing the question at you. 2- I was referring to government healthcare in general, not just for the elderly. 3- That isn't a good reason. Ever learned to share? Being generous is a good quality to have too.

I am happy to share and give heck 10% of my paycheck goes to charity but I don't think the government has the right to force me to be charitable and to share

I think the government does. People can be greedy basterds. The government needs to step in somewhere to put a limit on this and ensure the welfare of all.

The welfare of all except those who are worth a damn, who are to be stolen from to subsidize the rest :P.
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7/1/2010 11:26:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:24:56 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:23:49 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:21:51 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:20:14 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/1/2010 11:17:42 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:

First, that would be a good reason, second, this isn't "the poor," medicare is for the elderly. It steals from poor young people and gives to elderly rich or poor :P

1- I wasn't directing the question at you. 2- I was referring to government healthcare in general, not just for the elderly. 3- That isn't a good reason. Ever learned to share? Being generous is a good quality to have too.

I am happy to share and give heck 10% of my paycheck goes to charity but I don't think the government has the right to force me to be charitable and to share

I think the government does. People can be greedy basterds. The government needs to step in somewhere to put a limit on this and ensure the welfare of all.

So the government needs to make sure that people develop good character traits and not bad habits kinda like parents or a nanny?

No, the government needs to ensure people are having all their basic needs met.
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7/1/2010 11:27:21 AM
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Incidentally, the only logical conclusion from the premise that"Greed is bad" is "everyone except the dead is bad."

If someone didn't want material goods, they wouldn't eat. They'd die.

It's odd that you'd be concerned about their welfare (i.e. the fulfillment of their greed).
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7/1/2010 11:28:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 11:27:21 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Incidentally, the only logical conclusion from the premise that"Greed is bad" is "everyone except the dead is bad."

If someone didn't want material goods, they wouldn't eat. They'd die.

It's odd that you'd be concerned about their welfare (i.e. the fulfillment of their greed).

I am concerned about their welfare when they're not even getting enough to eat or don't have a roof over their head.