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Rob1Billion
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7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
What would a world without police be like? Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens? Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?
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7/1/2010 8:40:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Without an effective police force, the rate of unsolved crimes would shoot way up, murdering people would be so much easier to get away with, and we'd probably end up spilling more blood.

But gangs roaming the streets are too easy to snipe from a two-story building.
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7/1/2010 8:43:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?
Temporary.

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?
Yes, and one eventually wins and setles down in your neighborhood.

Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?
No. An armed society is helpful, but not to that extent. And freer gun rights +police works far better either way.
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7/1/2010 8:56:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?
A transitional state in which a bunch of thugs fight over rights to be the police.
Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?
Yeah. They'd probably want to steal from them a fixed amount every year so as to have a sustainable source of income.
Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?
It hasn't helped us, no.
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7/1/2010 9:00:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Philosophically, no we don't. Any body of force initiators which run society is immoral.

But realistically, we are all better off with police.
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7/1/2010 9:02:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?

A more peaceful world.

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?

No.
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7/1/2010 9:03:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If we did abolish all the police we would have roving gangs of thugs eventually these gangs would settle down each carving out their own territories in order to keep themselves from being overthrown by the people in the territory they rule they would start giving certain benefits to them until eventually you have a government that will provide police

it happened once it was the fall of Rome that is what happened
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7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:02:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?

A more peaceful world.

Hi, I'm from the local Taliban.
*throws grenade through your window*
Happy days!

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

The police strong-arms innocent citizens? Can't you show any respect to the police? They put their life on the line to protect people.
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7/1/2010 9:11:01 PM
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Mongoose is completely right that is pretty much what was going on in Afghanistan under the Taliban
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7/1/2010 9:11:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:02:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?

A more peaceful world.

Hi, I'm from the local Taliban.
*throws grenade through your window*
Happy days!

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

The police strong-arms innocent citizens? Can't you show any respect to the police? They put their life on the line to protect people.

Yeah...haven't you ever gotten a speeding ticket?
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7/1/2010 9:11:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:11:01 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Mongoose is completely right that is pretty much what was going on in Afghanistan under the Taliban

Mongoose = / = Mongeese.
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7/1/2010 9:13:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Without an effective police force, the rate of unsolved crimes would shoot way up, murdering people would be so much easier to get away with, and we'd probably end up spilling more blood.

Crimes are subjective, and only a product of having law. Be specific, please.
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7/1/2010 9:14:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:02:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?

A more peaceful world.

Hi, I'm from the local Taliban.
*throws grenade through your window*
Happy days!

lol.

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

The police strong-arms innocent citizens?

Uhmm, yea.

Can't you show any respect to the police?

I could, but I could also show respect for Hitler. I won't however because they don't deserve respect. On the contrary, in fact, they deserve loathing.

They put their life on the line to protect people.

HAHAHAHAHA

Just today these thugs kidnapped my friends Adam, Pete and Rich. They are currently being confined in cages.
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7/1/2010 9:14:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:14:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:02:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?

A more peaceful world.

Hi, I'm from the local Taliban.
*throws grenade through your window*
Happy days!

lol.

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

The police strong-arms innocent citizens?

Uhmm, yea.

Can't you show any respect to the police?

I could, but I could also show respect for Hitler. I won't however because they don't deserve respect. On the contrary, in fact, they deserve loathing.

They put their life on the line to protect people.

HAHAHAHAHA

Just today these thugs kidnapped my friends Adam, Pete and Rich. They are currently being confined in cages.

Did your friends break the law?
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7/1/2010 9:15:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 8:43:14 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?
Temporary.

Expand?

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?
Yes, and one eventually wins and setles down in your neighborhood.

You speak as if this were a hypothetical; are you saying this hasn'y already happened?

Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?
No. An armed society is helpful, but not to that extent. And freer gun rights +police works far better either way.
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7/1/2010 9:15:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:11:19 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Yeah...haven't you ever gotten a speeding ticket?

He just turned 16.
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7/1/2010 9:15:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:11:57 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:11:01 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Mongoose is completely right that is pretty much what was going on in Afghanistan under the Taliban

Mongoose = / = Mongeese.

I apologize for that although those two are very easy to confuse names
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Arguing with an atheist about God is very similar to arguing with a blind man about what the Sistine Chapel looks like
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7/1/2010 9:16:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:14:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:02:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?

A more peaceful world.

Hi, I'm from the local Taliban.
*throws grenade through your window*
Happy days!

lol.

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

The police strong-arms innocent citizens?

Uhmm, yea.

Can't you show any respect to the police?

I could, but I could also show respect for Hitler. I won't however because they don't deserve respect. On the contrary, in fact, they deserve loathing.

They put their life on the line to protect people.

HAHAHAHAHA

Just today these thugs kidnapped my friends Adam, Pete and Rich. They are currently being confined in cages.

Reasoning, you're so bad@$$. Talking trash about the cops, serving as a rebel against authority. Watch out, the Feds who are reading this will come over to your house and steal you soon ;)
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7/1/2010 9:17:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:14:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:02:10 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?

A more peaceful world.

Hi, I'm from the local Taliban.
*throws grenade through your window*
Happy days!

lol.

Yeah, keep laughing. You lost an arm.

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

The police strong-arms innocent citizens?

Uhmm, yea.

Such a brilliant argument, that "yea"...

Can't you show any respect to the police?

I could, but I could also show respect for Hitler. I won't however because they don't deserve respect. On the contrary, in fact, they deserve loathing.

Can you please draw similarities between the police in general and Hitler, with sources?

They put their life on the line to protect people.

HAHAHAHAHA

Just today these thugs kidnapped my friends Adam, Pete and Rich. They are currently being confined in cages.

You generalize the police to a few people. What did these friends do, anyway?
Most of the policemen believe that the War on Drugs is nonsense, btw, and only enforce it because otherwise, they lose their job.
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7/1/2010 9:17:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:15:04 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:43:14 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/1/2010 8:37:20 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?
Temporary.

Expand?

Well in my opinion at least a world with police wouldn't last very long as those that climb to the top of the pig pile during that anarchy would quickly establish their own police
Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?
Yes, and one eventually wins and setles down in your neighborhood.

You speak as if this were a hypothetical; are you saying this hasn'y already happened?

If it has it is due to the easy sentencing of criminals and insufficient police forces and corrupt cops
Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?
No. An armed society is helpful, but not to that extent. And freer gun rights +police works far better either way.
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: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

Arguing with an atheist about God is very similar to arguing with a blind man about what the Sistine Chapel looks like
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7/1/2010 9:18:27 PM
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What would a world without police be like?
A transitional state in which a bunch of thugs fight over rights to be the police.

And after one wins that right, what happens? A state like the one we have now?

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?
Yeah. They'd probably want to steal from them a fixed amount every year so as to have a sustainable source of income.

So they would levy taxes?

Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?
It hasn't helped us, no.

Most people don't own weapons. But, more importantly, MUCH more importantly, is that we are conditioned and beat down. Questioning police is not a viable option for people. Their very existence is dependent on this.
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7/1/2010 9:18:46 PM
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At 7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM, mongeese wrote:
The police strong-arms innocent citizens? Can't you show any respect to the police? They put their life on the line to protect people.

It seems like the police I've encountered irl have nowhere near the character as the ones depicted in television shows. From my experience most cops are A$$HOLES - big ones. Plus regular cops =/= special cops like detectives. I show respect to all law enforcement (and pretty much most people) unless they do something to piss me off which most cops wind up doing lol.
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7/1/2010 9:19:29 PM
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At 7/1/2010 9:13:46 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
Without an effective police force, the rate of unsolved crimes would shoot way up, murdering people would be so much easier to get away with, and we'd probably end up spilling more blood.

Crimes are subjective, and only a product of having law. Be specific, please.

There would be more killing of innocent people, and less punishment for the killers.
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7/1/2010 9:20:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:18:27 PM, Rob1Billion wrote:
What would a world without police be like?
A transitional state in which a bunch of thugs fight over rights to be the police.

And after one wins that right, what happens? A state like the one we have now?

No, a the difference would be is that these police could literally get away with murder because it will become a rule of law state where those with the biggest guns do whatever they please and us others beg for mercy and try to make them happy
Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Yeah. They'd probably want to steal from them a fixed amount every year so as to have a sustainable source of income.

So they would levy taxes?


I think they would still whenever they felt like and not just property either but people
Would freer gun rights be enough to offset this effect?
It hasn't helped us, no.

Most people don't own weapons. But, more importantly, MUCH more importantly, is that we are conditioned and beat down. Questioning police is not a viable option for people. Their very existence is dependent on this.
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: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

Arguing with an atheist about God is very similar to arguing with a blind man about what the Sistine Chapel looks like
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7/1/2010 9:20:18 PM
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At 7/1/2010 9:18:46 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:04:13 PM, mongeese wrote:
The police strong-arms innocent citizens? Can't you show any respect to the police? They put their life on the line to protect people.

It seems like the police I've encountered irl have nowhere near the character as the ones depicted in television shows. From my experience most cops are A$$HOLES - big ones. Plus regular cops =/= special cops like detectives. I show respect to all law enforcement (and pretty much most people) unless they do something to piss me off which most cops wind up doing lol.

Still no reason to generalize a group of people so horribly, though.
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7/1/2010 9:21:59 PM
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Honestly if you want to know what a world without police looks like just look at Afghanistan under the Taliban that is basically what the Taliban were gangs of warlords seeking to control the populace
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7/1/2010 9:22:21 PM
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At 7/1/2010 9:15:20 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:11:19 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Yeah...haven't you ever gotten a speeding ticket?

He just turned 16.

Protip: buy a radar detector. The one effing day out of the last 3 months I didn't have mine with me is the day I got written up for 10 over.
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7/1/2010 9:23:25 PM
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At 7/1/2010 9:22:21 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:15:20 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 7/1/2010 9:11:19 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Yeah...haven't you ever gotten a speeding ticket?

He just turned 16.

Protip: buy a radar detector. The one effing day out of the last 3 months I didn't have mine with me is the day I got written up for 10 over.

How much do those cost? Would I be able to get one at Wal-Mart or the like?
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7/1/2010 9:25:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:17:33 PM, mongeese wrote:
Yeah, keep laughing. You lost an arm.

Yes, without these clowns in blue suits extorting money from people by means of traffic tickets and kidnapping people because they don't like their kind of drug, or kidnapping them for possessing a gun or for videorecording as the case may be, the world would descend into chaos and the taliban would run rampant.

Would there be roaming gangs of thugs looking to strong-arm innocent citizens?

Oh, you mean, like the police?

The police strong-arms innocent citizens?

Uhmm, yea.

Such a brilliant argument, that "yea"...

Seriously? The police? strong-arm? never?

Can't you show any respect to the police?

I could, but I could also show respect for Hitler. I won't however because they don't deserve respect. On the contrary, in fact, they deserve loathing.

Can you please draw similarities between the police in general and Hitler, with sources?

I could but that would miss the point.

They put their life on the line to protect people.

HAHAHAHAHA

Just today these thugs kidnapped my friends Adam, Pete and Rich. They are currently being confined in cages.

You generalize the police to a few people. What did these friends do, anyway?

Rich got kidnapped for possessing a gun and Pet and Adam got kidnapped for videorecording.

Most of the policemen believe that the War on Drugs is nonsense, btw, and only enforce it because otherwise, they lose their job.

Ah, yes. The Nuremberg defense. What was that about similarities between the police and Hitler?
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7/1/2010 9:26:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/1/2010 9:20:18 PM, mongeese wrote:
Still no reason to generalize a group of people so horribly, though.

I'm sure there were a lot of genuinely nice people in the SS a well.
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