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comoncents
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7/4/2010 7:33:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Happy 4th everyone!

If you could change one thing on July 4th, 1776, what would it be?
What would you add or take away that would change the political spectrum of today?
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7/4/2010 8:31:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 7:33:29 AM, comoncents wrote:
If you could change one thing on July 4th, 1776, what would it be?

The abnoxious, fat Americans currently in berlin.

What would you add or take away that would change the political spectrum of today?

Less extremism.
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mattrodstrom
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7/4/2010 9:00:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I guess... if they stamped out slavery that day that woulda been good a pretty worthy addition.
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mongeese
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7/4/2010 9:22:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
There's not much I'd have changed with the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution had more impact on today's politics.
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7/4/2010 9:23:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 9:00:28 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I guess... if they stamped out slavery that day that woulda been good a pretty worthy addition.

The only problem there is that the South would turn on the North, and we'd have the Civil War during the Revolutionary War, which would be terrible. Setting up a process to eventually eliminate slavery, though, would be a good thing.
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7/4/2010 9:30:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
They almost did, but South Carolina wouldn't sign unless an offending paragraph that would have eliminated slavery was stricken. John Adams didn't want to have it stricken, Jefferson was willing to give up his slaves then and there, but South Carolina refused, and the vote was required to be unanimous to pass. Ben Franklin stepped in and told Adams that yes they would probably be remembered for this but they are men not demigods. It was removed.
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7/4/2010 10:13:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
More extremism.
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7/4/2010 10:19:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:18:48 AM, innomen wrote:
Of course they were extremists

Not extremist enough.
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7/4/2010 10:23:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:19:56 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:18:48 AM, innomen wrote:
Of course they were extremists

Not extremist enough.

Extremist enough so that each signer of the DI could be hanged for treason.
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7/4/2010 10:37:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:23:03 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:19:56 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:18:48 AM, innomen wrote:
Of course they were extremists

Not extremist enough.

Extremist enough so that each signer of the DI could be hanged for treason.

Not extremist enough to leave out the Commerce Clause, or abolish slavery.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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7/4/2010 10:38:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:37:17 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:23:03 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:19:56 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:18:48 AM, innomen wrote:
Of course they were extremists

Not extremist enough.

Extremist enough so that each signer of the DI could be hanged for treason.

Not extremist enough to leave out the Commerce Clause, or abolish slavery.

A commerce clause? In the DI?
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7/4/2010 10:41:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:38:54 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:37:17 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:23:03 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:19:56 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:18:48 AM, innomen wrote:
Of course they were extremists

Not extremist enough.

Extremist enough so that each signer of the DI could be hanged for treason.

Not extremist enough to leave out the Commerce Clause, or abolish slavery.

A commerce clause? In the DI?

In the constitution. It's many of the same people, only a few years apart... If they'd maybe said something in the DI to preclude it :P
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7/4/2010 10:41:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
like, for example, adding to the list of bad things the king has done "He has regulated commerce."
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7/4/2010 10:44:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:41:56 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
like, for example, adding to the list of bad things the king has done "He has regulated commerce."

Yeah: "he regulated commerce", them's fightin' words.
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7/4/2010 10:54:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:45:51 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Constitution-wise (despite the whole "It didn't happen until 1789" thing), I wish they had left out Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18. And that crap about "protecting the general welfare". I can't remember what else.

Yes, that "General Welfare" clause has been a big problem repeatedly. Help me out with - Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18 - what exactly are we objecting to?
mongeese
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7/4/2010 10:59:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
In the Constitution, they should have eliminated the welfare clause, the elastic clause, the interstate commerce clause... They also should have had a method for the states to trump the Supreme Court in some way to avoid a power grab, as well as an actual process for secession, so we wouldn't end up with a war between the states over it.
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7/4/2010 11:01:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:54:27 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/4/2010 10:45:51 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Constitution-wise (despite the whole "It didn't happen until 1789" thing), I wish they had left out Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18. And that crap about "protecting the general welfare". I can't remember what else.

Yes, that "General Welfare" clause has been a big problem repeatedly. Help me out with - Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18 - what exactly are we objecting to?

"Necessary and proper"
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7/4/2010 11:12:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 10:59:43 AM, mongeese wrote:
In the Constitution, they should have eliminated the welfare clause, the elastic clause, the interstate commerce clause... They also should have had a method for the states to trump the Supreme Court in some way to avoid a power grab, as well as an actual process for secession, so we wouldn't end up with a war between the states over it.


I think they would want to avoid that, not make a provision for it.
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7/4/2010 12:05:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Happy independents day! My dumb town had fireworks on the 3rd instead of the 4th. I guess because the TEA party is having their rally today.
kfc
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7/4/2010 12:09:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 12:08:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Wow, your independent, big deal.

Sounds like someone is a little bitter.
mattrodstrom
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7/4/2010 12:11:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 12:08:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Wow, your independent, big deal.

celebrating one historic blow to Tyranny :)
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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7/4/2010 12:13:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 12:08:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Wow, your independent, big deal.

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!

How will you be celebrating?

>:)
kfc
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7/4/2010 12:15:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 12:13:21 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 7/4/2010 12:08:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Wow, your independent, big deal.

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!

How will you be celebrating?

>:)

formulating a plan that will humanely deal with the homosexual problem.
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7/4/2010 12:17:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 12:13:21 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 7/4/2010 12:08:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Wow, your independent, big deal.

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!

How will you be celebrating?

>:)

I feel so American. I'm having a BBQ.
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Koopin
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7/4/2010 12:17:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/4/2010 12:15:49 PM, innomen wrote:

formulating a plan that will humanely deal with the homosexual problem.

Cool. We must cure them before they spread their 'disease.'
kfc