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7/9/2010 7:18:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I saw on another thread that Europe is holding an Economic Summit in a little while to try and solve the world's financial problems. Then I was struck by an idea why don't we have an Economic Summit here on DDO we couldn't do any worse than the idiots trying to figure it out. We would have the brightest economic minds on here try and solve it. What do you guys think and anyone want to help me organize it
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7/9/2010 7:20:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:18:09 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I saw on another thread that Europe is holding an Economic Summit

Where was this again? I only saw the European Exopolitics summit.
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7/9/2010 7:21:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:20:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:18:09 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
I saw on another thread that Europe is holding an Economic Summit

Where was this again? I only saw the European Exopolitics summit.

Whatever it was it isn't going to do anyone a whole lot of good so we might as well try and solve the problems ourselves
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7/9/2010 7:22:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:21:31 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Whatever it was it isn't going to do anyone a whole lot of good so we might as well try and solve the problems ourselves

Just so you know, exopolitics is about the relationship of governments with alien species.
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7/9/2010 7:23:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:22:34 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:21:31 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Whatever it was it isn't going to do anyone a whole lot of good so we might as well try and solve the problems ourselves

Just so you know, exopolitics is about the relationship of governments with alien species.

Regardless it still got me thinking about an economic summit for DDO and I think that firmly cements my point about the fact that no one in government is smart enough to fix the problem of the economy
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7/9/2010 7:24:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:23:48 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
Regardless it still got me thinking about an economic summit for DDO and I think that firmly cements my point about the fact that no one in government is smart enough to fix the problem of the economy

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7/9/2010 7:33:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Capitalism allows certain individuals to have a ridiculous amount of money. So much money that their decisions effect the entire economy.

Simplified: More money equals more power.
More power equals more say.
In a Democratic system, shouldn't everyone have the same say?
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7/9/2010 7:35:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:33:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Capitalism allows certain individuals to have a ridiculous amount of money. So much money that their decisions effect the entire economy.

Simplified: More money equals more power.
More power equals more say.
In a Democratic system, shouldn't everyone have the same say?

There is no "say" in a free market. Everything is voluntary.
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7/9/2010 7:37:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:35:45 PM, Nags wrote:
There is no "say" in a free market. Everything is voluntary.

So someone cannot voluntarily get a say?
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7/9/2010 7:39:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:33:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Capitalism allows certain individuals to have a ridiculous amount of money. So much money that their decisions effect the entire economy.

Simplified: More money equals more power.
More power equals more say.
In a Democratic system, shouldn't everyone have the same say?

You know what is a truly Democratic system? Mob lynches. Oh, yeah.

As far as the "ridiculous amount of money," how do you think that money got there? They made that money through business deals. Or a family member did, but that's beside the point. The point is, they end up with lots of money because they do something that people are willing to pay that much money to have them do.
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7/9/2010 7:39:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:38:25 PM, Nags wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:37:13 PM, Volkov wrote:
So someone cannot voluntarily get a say?

A say in what?

A say in the free market. If they voluntarily gain influence in the markets, markets which are free, have they not voluntarily gotten a say?
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7/9/2010 7:40:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:37:13 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:35:45 PM, Nags wrote:
There is no "say" in a free market. Everything is voluntary.

So someone cannot voluntarily get a say?

You get however much of a say in what YOU do as you want.

You get however much a say in what somebody else does as THEY want.
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7/9/2010 7:42:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:39:49 PM, Volkov wrote:
A say in the free market. If they voluntarily gain influence in the markets, markets which are free, have they not voluntarily gotten a say?

Uhh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Everyone influences the market by engaging in the market. You influence the market by buying a candy bar at your local store. Bill Gates has more influence than you, sure, but what are you trying to drive at? Bill Gates can't make you spend your money in ways in which you don't want to, but the government can.
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7/9/2010 7:43:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:39:24 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:33:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Capitalism allows certain individuals to have a ridiculous amount of money. So much money that their decisions effect the entire economy.

Simplified: More money equals more power.
More power equals more say.
In a Democratic system, shouldn't everyone have the same say?

You know what is a truly Democratic system? Mob lynches. Oh, yeah.

If a majority of people think someone should be lynched, why not. There is certainly a few people out there who I think should be.

As far as the "ridiculous amount of money," how do you think that money got there? They made that money through business deals. Or a family member did, but that's beside the point. The point is, they end up with lots of money because they do something that people are willing to pay that much money to have them do.

Do you think because someone has more money then you, they should have more say in how the country is run?
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7/9/2010 7:45:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
People please refocus now I am thinking each country should get three representatives a far left a far right and a moderate
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7/9/2010 7:45:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:42:33 PM, Nags wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:39:49 PM, Volkov wrote:
A say in the free market. If they voluntarily gain influence in the markets, markets which are free, have they not voluntarily gotten a say?

Uhh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Everyone influences the market by engaging in the market. You influence the market by buying a candy bar at your local store. Bill Gates has more influence than you, sure, but what are you trying to drive at? Bill Gates can't make you spend your money in ways in which you don't want to, but the government can.
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7/9/2010 7:45:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:43:55 PM, tvellalott wrote:
If a majority of people think someone should be lynched, why not. There is certainly a few people out there who I think should be.

If my friend and I decide to rape you, you should be raped?

Do you think because someone has more money then you, they should have more say in how the country is run?

See, that's where you're misguided. In a free market, no one has a say in a countries' economic policy.
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7/9/2010 7:46:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:42:33 PM, Nags wrote:
Bill Gates can't make you spend your money in ways in which you don't want to, but the government can.

Actually, he can. By me buying his product, he can increase his influence over the markets, thereby having greater control over it, which can lead to him monopolizing the market ('cause Bill gates would never do that), and other such sordid things.

Not that there aren't ways around it, of course. But that takes collective effort, and me being the little individual I am, can't influence events as much as Bill Gates, a great big individual, can. In the end, I'm screwed.
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7/9/2010 7:46:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:45:22 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:42:33 PM, Nags wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:39:49 PM, Volkov wrote:
A say in the free market. If they voluntarily gain influence in the markets, markets which are free, have they not voluntarily gotten a say?

Uhh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Everyone influences the market by engaging in the market. You influence the market by buying a candy bar at your local store. Bill Gates has more influence than you, sure, but what are you trying to drive at? Bill Gates can't make you spend your money in ways in which you don't want to, but the government can.



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7/9/2010 7:47:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:45:10 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
People please refocus now I am thinking each country should get three representatives a far left a far right and a moderate

Yeah, 'cause that is always the recipe for success.
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7/9/2010 7:48:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:42:33 PM, Nags wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:39:49 PM, Volkov wrote:
A say in the free market. If they voluntarily gain influence in the markets, markets which are free, have they not voluntarily gotten a say?

Uhh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Everyone influences the market by engaging in the market. You influence the market by buying a candy bar at your local store. Bill Gates has more influence than you, sure, but what are you trying to drive at? Bill Gates can't make you spend your money in ways in which you don't want to, but the government can.

I don't think Bill Gates is a good example. You're paying for his products right now.
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7/9/2010 7:48:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:47:26 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:45:10 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
People please refocus now I am thinking each country should get three representatives a far left a far right and a moderate

Yeah, 'cause that is always the recipe for success.

Do you have a better idea?
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: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

Arguing with an atheist about God is very similar to arguing with a blind man about what the Sistine Chapel looks like
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7/9/2010 7:48:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:43:55 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:39:24 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:33:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Capitalism allows certain individuals to have a ridiculous amount of money. So much money that their decisions effect the entire economy.

Simplified: More money equals more power.
More power equals more say.
In a Democratic system, shouldn't everyone have the same say?

You know what is a truly Democratic system? Mob lynches. Oh, yeah.

If a majority of people think someone should be lynched, why not. There is certainly a few people out there who I think should be.

Vote to lynch tvellalott

As far as the "ridiculous amount of money," how do you think that money got there? They made that money through business deals. Or a family member did, but that's beside the point. The point is, they end up with lots of money because they do something that people are willing to pay that much money to have them do.

Do you think because someone has more money then you, they should have more say in how the country is run?

Not in how the country is run, no. The country shouldn't have that much influence. They should have more say in how their money is used, though.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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7/9/2010 7:49:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:46:53 PM, Volkov wrote:
Actually, he can. By me buying his product

Don't buy his product then.

he can increase his influence over the markets, thereby having greater control over it, which can lead to him monopolizing the market ('cause Bill gates would never do that), and other such sordid things.

Monopolies can't exist in a free market. And what other "sordid things" do you speak of.

Not that there aren't ways around it, of course. But that takes collective effort, and me being the little individual I am, can't influence events as much as Bill Gates, a great big individual, can. In the end, I'm screwed.

Nothing to refute here - just babble.
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7/9/2010 7:49:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:48:02 PM, tvellalott wrote:
I don't think Bill Gates is a good example. You're paying for his products right now.

Voluntarily. I could have bought Steve Jobs' Apple instead if I wanted.
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7/9/2010 7:50:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:49:50 PM, Nags wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:48:02 PM, tvellalott wrote:
I don't think Bill Gates is a good example. You're paying for his products right now.

Voluntarily. I could have bought Steve Jobs' Apple instead if I wanted.

or even better you could've gotten Linux for free and it actually works
: At 8/17/2010 7:17:56 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

Arguing with an atheist about God is very similar to arguing with a blind man about what the Sistine Chapel looks like
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7/9/2010 7:52:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 7:46:53 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/9/2010 7:42:33 PM, Nags wrote:
Bill Gates can't make you spend your money in ways in which you don't want to, but the government can.

Actually, he can. By me buying his product, he can increase his influence over the markets, thereby having greater control over it, which can lead to him monopolizing the market ('cause Bill gates would never do that), and other such sordid things.

Not that there aren't ways around it, of course. But that takes collective effort, and me being the little individual I am, can't influence events as much as Bill Gates, a great big individual, can. In the end, I'm screwed.

You weren't forced to buy his product. You could have gone without it. He sort of played a key role in improving it. The only thing he would be able to monopolize would be something he invented, and why wouldn't he be able to? It's not like that would hurt anybody.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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7/9/2010 7:54:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Though really, I say

Remove minimum wage.
Increase free trade (remove ALL tariffs and quotas)
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7/9/2010 7:55:16 PM
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At 7/9/2010 7:49:03 PM, Nags wrote:
Nothing to refute here - just babble.

I have to agree, though possibly not in the context you mean...

The simple fact is that if Bill Gates has more influence than I do, he can influence the ways I spend my money. If he owns the largest share of the market, and I don't buy his product, then I have no choice but to rely on smaller, less reliable and probably less reputable sources for the product. If I want a better product than what the anti-Gates can provide, I have no other route but Bill - it leaves me with a false choice, being that I can either suck it up and join, or suffer. Like God and Heaven/Hell.

How is that not influencing my choices on how to spend my money?