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comoncents
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7/12/2010 8:30:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
When did the President of The United States become celebrated to the point of celebrity?

Presidents of old would walk in the streets with the common man. I know that the threat of assassination has helped with the matter of excluding the president from society; in turn, restriction from the public will cause a sense of celebrity but should it be? Why is it still like that? Do you guys see the President as a celebrity?
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7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!
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7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.
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7/12/2010 12:15:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

That's one reason why authoritarianism works. ;)
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7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.
comoncents
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7/12/2010 12:59:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.

Adams, Jefferson, Jackson (he was the most common) but I am talking about being in the presence of normal people. Not the craziness it is today.
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7/12/2010 1:06:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 12:59:11 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.

Adams, Jefferson, Jackson (he was the most common) but I am talking about being in the presence of normal people. Not the craziness it is today.

Yes Jackson was the most common, but maybe by common we're talking about different things. Jefferson was not common at all. He was an aristocrat who went to William and Mary, and Adams went to Harvard. However, common as in, being in touch with the world, and being real, not being petrified of letting their own defects of character being discovered? - yeah, i think that's gone.
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7/12/2010 1:30:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 1:06:47 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:59:11 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.

Adams, Jefferson, Jackson (he was the most common) but I am talking about being in the presence of normal people. Not the craziness it is today.

Yes Jackson was the most common, but maybe by common we're talking about different things.

I we are. I am just saying in the celebrity sense not "exactly like the common man".

Jefferson was not common at all. He was an aristocrat who went to William and Mary, and Adams went to Harvard. However, common as in, being in touch with the world, and being real, not being petrified of letting their own defects of character being discovered? - yeah, i think that's gone.

Yeah.
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7/12/2010 2:16:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear,

That's because his Guard would secure the area before he was a kilometre away.

Anyways, this is what happens when you have a centrally-focused leadership. The US Presidency bestows upon the individuals the aspirations, hopes, fears, love and hatred of the population that follows his/her leadership. People see in the President someone that can either make or break their livelihoods. So, they project everything unto them.
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7/12/2010 7:09:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well if you look at how Americans have made celebrities out of people who have accomplished nothing (eg. the 'news' of x17online.com, tmz.com, perezhilton.com, etc.) it only makes sense that the president would be a celebrity. I'd much rather take a picture with Barack Obama to prove to my friends that I met him than get Whitney Port's (The Hills) autograph.
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7/13/2010 5:27:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Do you guys see the President as a celebrity?:

Nope, but I think he sees himself that way. If I were Obama, I sure as sh*t wouldn't have accepted a Nobel Peace Prize simply for talking about Global Warming.
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7/13/2010 6:31:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 8:30:15 AM, comoncents wrote:
When did the President of The United States become celebrated to the point of celebrity?

Presidents of old would walk in the streets with the common man. I know that the threat of assassination has helped with the matter of excluding the president from society; in turn, restriction from the public will cause a sense of celebrity but should it be? Why is it still like that? Do you guys see the President as a celebrity?

I do think that Presidents are treated with celebrity. We have made them that way by polarizing everything they do. They are people like us.

It's no possible way for the POTUS to walk the streets, especially not abroad. I can't imagine walking the streets of some Red State town without Secret Service without having his life threatened.
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7/13/2010 6:34:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 12:15:26 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

That's one reason why authoritarianism works. ;)

Works in what sense? Would you like to live under a regime like this?...Fear is what this form of government thrives off. I think it's safe to say that they are at risk just as much as any other President. It does not matter what party you are affiliated with, you will always have opposition.
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7/13/2010 6:35:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 12:59:11 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.

Adams, Jefferson, Jackson (he was the most common) but I am talking about being in the presence of normal people. Not the craziness it is today.

You say these men were moral? It's funny how the atrocities that some men do is blotted out to make them seem enigmatic. They had some great accomplishments, but don't dare call them moral.
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7/13/2010 6:36:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/13/2010 6:34:02 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:26 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

That's one reason why authoritarianism works. ;)

Works in what sense? Would you like to live under a regime like this?...Fear is what this form of government thrives off. I think it's safe to say that they are at risk just as much as any other President. It does not matter what party you are affiliated with, you will always have opposition.

I wasn't being entirely serious when I said that. lmao.
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7/13/2010 6:37:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 1:06:47 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:59:11 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.

Adams, Jefferson, Jackson (he was the most common) but I am talking about being in the presence of normal people. Not the craziness it is today.

Yes Jackson was the most common, but maybe by common we're talking about different things. Jefferson was not common at all. He was an aristocrat who went to William and Mary, and Adams went to Harvard.

However, common as in, being in touch with the world, and being real, not being petrified of letting their own defects of character being discovered? - yeah, i think that's gone. Nice assertion.
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7/13/2010 6:37:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/13/2010 6:35:57 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:59:11 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.

Adams, Jefferson, Jackson (he was the most common) but I am talking about being in the presence of normal people. Not the craziness it is today.

You say these men were moral? It's funny how the atrocities that some men do is blotted out to make them seem enigmatic. They had some great accomplishments, but don't dare call them moral.

He said "normal", not "moral".
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7/13/2010 6:37:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 2:16:38 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear,

That's because his Guard would secure the area before he was a kilometre away.

Anyways, this is what happens when you have a centrally-focused leadership. The US Presidency bestows upon the individuals the aspirations, hopes, fears, love and hatred of the population that follows his/her leadership. People see in the President someone that can either make or break their livelihoods. So, they project everything unto them. well said.
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7/13/2010 6:38:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/12/2010 7:09:13 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
Well if you look at how Americans have made celebrities out of people who have accomplished nothing (eg. the 'news' of x17online.com, tmz.com, perezhilton.com, etc.) it only makes sense that the president would be a celebrity. I'd much rather take a picture with Barack Obama to prove to my friends that I met him than get Whitney Port's (The Hills) autograph.

Excellent. anyone can be a celebrity, just get a camera and post it to YouTube
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7/13/2010 6:39:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/13/2010 6:36:01 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/13/2010 6:34:02 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:26 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

That's one reason why authoritarianism works. ;)

Works in what sense? Would you like to live under a regime like this?...Fear is what this form of government thrives off. I think it's safe to say that they are at risk just as much as any other President. It does not matter what party you are affiliated with, you will always have opposition.

I wasn't being entirely serious when I said that. lmao.

I digress.
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7/13/2010 6:41:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/13/2010 6:37:37 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 7/13/2010 6:35:57 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:59:11 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 12:15:32 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:42:37 AM, comoncents wrote:
At 7/12/2010 8:35:50 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Saddam was able to walk the streets with little fear, it's strange how democratically elected leaders are so despised!

Man, that would never happen today.
Our President where more common men.

Crazy how it changed.

Which one was common? Truman was the most common man of the presidents in my humble opinion, but I'm not so sure about most others. Many had humble beginnings, but eventually rose from that.

Adams, Jefferson, Jackson (he was the most common) but I am talking about being in the presence of normal people. Not the craziness it is today.

You say these men were moral? It's funny how the atrocities that some men do is blotted out to make them seem enigmatic. They had some great accomplishments, but don't dare call them moral.

He said "normal", not "moral".

Ok.