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7/17/2010 3:44:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
His teeth? 0.0

As far as I know Churchill is seen as a great wartime leader in Britain today.
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7/17/2010 6:38:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 3:44:00 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
His teeth? 0.0

As far as I know Churchill is seen as a great wartime leader in Britain today.

He left office with terrible approval ratings.
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7/17/2010 9:11:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The Brit's didn't reelect or like Churchill because he was "a war monger" does anyone else think that was incredibly stupid
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7/17/2010 9:14:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 9:11:29 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
The Brit's didn't reelect or like Churchill because he was "a war monger" does anyone else think that was incredibly stupid

Everyone was sick of war after WWII, that's why Truman left office with the same approval ratings as George Bush. Truman was thought of horribly, not only did he drop the bomb, he started the US in a war in Korea right after WWII. Churchill was thought of as a relic from a mindset they wanted to leave.
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7/17/2010 9:21:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 6:38:28 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/17/2010 3:44:00 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
His teeth? 0.0

As far as I know Churchill is seen as a great wartime leader in Britain today.

He left office with terrible approval ratings.

Yeah, because they wanted peace and to rebuild with the likes of Clement Atlee. Great wartime leader, but asides from that he was seen as a step back to an old, Imperialistic Britain, which was not sustainable.
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7/17/2010 9:22:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 2:24:22 AM, innomen wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com...

On a related note, how do the brits look at Churchill today? He has been one of my historical favorites.

He is generally very popular in the public consciousness. I think it is generally accepted that he was a drunken arrogant nut job at the same time. We love him warts and all.

I doubt very much that a sane and decent person would have been able to keep the country in the war. In a sense he was a lot like Hitler, he decided what he wanted to achieve and to hell with reality, it is just that in this case his sheer determination won through.

A deeply flawed man, in the right place at the right time.
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7/17/2010 9:24:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 6:38:28 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/17/2010 3:44:00 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
His teeth? 0.0

As far as I know Churchill is seen as a great wartime leader in Britain today.

He left office with terrible approval ratings.

He lost the election, not because he was unpopular but because the British people were tired, poor and miserable and thought that Labour would salvage the situation.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/17/2010 9:25:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 9:11:29 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
The Brit's didn't reelect or like Churchill because he was "a war monger" does anyone else think that was incredibly stupid

No it seems quite fair actually.
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7/17/2010 9:29:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 9:24:37 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/17/2010 6:38:28 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/17/2010 3:44:00 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
His teeth? 0.0

As far as I know Churchill is seen as a great wartime leader in Britain today.

He left office with terrible approval ratings.

He lost the election, not because he was unpopular but because the British people were tired, poor and miserable and thought that Labour would salvage the situation.

I have read much about him, and you confirm a lot of what i have come to understand, but really have no idea how he is regarded now. The British seem to have a different strain of patriotism than we do (not better or worse, just a little different), and i am curious as to how the left in the UK regard him today (if at all).
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7/17/2010 9:36:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 9:29:08 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:24:37 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/17/2010 6:38:28 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/17/2010 3:44:00 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
His teeth? 0.0

As far as I know Churchill is seen as a great wartime leader in Britain today.

He left office with terrible approval ratings.

He lost the election, not because he was unpopular but because the British people were tired, poor and miserable and thought that Labour would salvage the situation.

I have read much about him, and you confirm a lot of what i have come to understand, but really have no idea how he is regarded now. The British seem to have a different strain of patriotism than we do (not better or worse, just a little different), and i am curious as to how the left in the UK regard him today (if at all).

The left? Not sure. Any politican left or right will not make the mistake of saying anything negative about him. I suppose the right are more likely to use his image. Most people do just accept him as a national hero, he will probably get some bad press in socialist circles but even they would accord him some respect I think.

You are right though, the British sense of patriotism is different!
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/17/2010 10:20:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 10:11:14 AM, comoncents wrote:
Why was this posted here?

Because it's about a politician and politics.
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7/17/2010 10:21:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 10:20:36 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/17/2010 10:11:14 AM, comoncents wrote:
Why was this posted here?

Because it's about a politician and politics.

To be honest, i made a mistake, and had intended it to be in news, but this works.
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7/17/2010 10:31:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 10:21:37 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/17/2010 10:20:36 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/17/2010 10:11:14 AM, comoncents wrote:
Why was this posted here?

Because it's about a politician and politics.

To be honest, i made a mistake, and had intended it to be in news, but this works.

Oh, I got you.
I was not trying to question with the intention of condescension; I was just wondering for sake of learning something new.
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7/17/2010 11:02:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 9:36:13 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:29:08 AM, innomen wrote:

i am curious as to how the left in the UK regard him today (if at all).

The left? Not sure. Any politican left or right will not make the mistake of saying anything negative about him. I suppose the right are more likely to use his image. Most people do just accept him as a national hero, he will probably get some bad press in socialist circles but even they would accord him some respect I think.

Yeah, I've got no beef with Churchill. He fought the fascists, so even us lefties rate him.

I think it's disgusting when groups like the BNP use his image.
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7/17/2010 11:04:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 11:02:25 AM, feverish wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:36:13 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:29:08 AM, innomen wrote:

i am curious as to how the left in the UK regard him today (if at all).

The left? Not sure. Any politican left or right will not make the mistake of saying anything negative about him. I suppose the right are more likely to use his image. Most people do just accept him as a national hero, he will probably get some bad press in socialist circles but even they would accord him some respect I think.

Yeah, I've got no beef with Churchill. He fought the fascists, so even us lefties rate him.

I think it's disgusting when groups like the BNP use his image.

BNP being? British National Party??? Sorry.
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7/17/2010 11:08:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 11:02:25 AM, feverish wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:36:13 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:29:08 AM, innomen wrote:

i am curious as to how the left in the UK regard him today (if at all).

The left? Not sure. Any politican left or right will not make the mistake of saying anything negative about him. I suppose the right are more likely to use his image. Most people do just accept him as a national hero, he will probably get some bad press in socialist circles but even they would accord him some respect I think.

Yeah, I've got no beef with Churchill. He fought the fascists, so even us lefties rate him.

I think it's disgusting when groups like the BNP use his image.

Chances are good he would have some sympathy for BNP policies, I don't really know. He never would have joined the party because he was too ambitious. I think they should use his image constantly though, it will ensure they will never get elected.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/17/2010 11:09:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 11:04:19 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/17/2010 11:02:25 AM, feverish wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:36:13 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/17/2010 9:29:08 AM, innomen wrote:

i am curious as to how the left in the UK regard him today (if at all).

The left? Not sure. Any politican left or right will not make the mistake of saying anything negative about him. I suppose the right are more likely to use his image. Most people do just accept him as a national hero, he will probably get some bad press in socialist circles but even they would accord him some respect I think.

Yeah, I've got no beef with Churchill. He fought the fascists, so even us lefties rate him.

I think it's disgusting when groups like the BNP use his image.

BNP being? British National Party??? Sorry.

Yep!
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/17/2010 11:21:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 11:09:18 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/17/2010 11:04:19 AM, innomen wrote:
BNP being? British National Party??? Sorry.

Yep!

Of course the more accurate, though less politically correct name for them would be the British Nazi Party :P
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7/17/2010 2:06:07 PM
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Churchill was a great leader and a war hero but they were right not to reelect him because believe it or not he was completely out of his mind. "Warmonger" is an understatement. He wanted to invade Russia.
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7/17/2010 2:11:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 2:06:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Churchill was a great leader and a war hero but they were right not to reelect him because believe it or not he was completely out of his mind. "Warmonger" is an understatement. He wanted to invade Russia.

Sort of. He recognized a threat in Stalin and wanted to take him out. I don't know the specifics of any sort of plan, but the US was constantly restraining him.
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7/17/2010 3:03:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 3:01:29 PM, wjmelements wrote:
His defense network against German bombings was fantastic.

But besides that, he's the most mentioned figure in Encyclopedia Idiotica for all the terrible things he did.
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7/17/2010 5:16:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 2:06:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Churchill was a great leader and a war hero but they were right not to reelect him because believe it or not he was completely out of his mind. "Warmonger" is an understatement. He wanted to invade Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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7/17/2010 7:49:20 PM
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About Churchill invading Russia wouldn't it have been better had the US and UK teamed up to take out Russia right after WW2 when we had the everything in place we had the technology to take them out (we had a nuke for several months before they did) we had the spirit and without US aid USSR would've collapsed financially.
But we didn't and because of that we fought 4 fairly pointless incredibly bloody wars. We had many rights surrendered in the name of national security we dug ourself into an economic hole so big that we may never get out. We managed to piss off every single country in the world by 1)Overthrowing their popular slightly leftist government then 2)Installing a ruthlessly brutal dictator 3)When the dictator disobeyed we killed him and put in a different dictator.
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7/29/2010 1:18:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/17/2010 7:49:20 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
About Churchill invading Russia wouldn't it have been better had the US and UK teamed up to take out Russia right after WW2 when we had the everything in place we had the technology to take them out (we had a nuke for several months before they did) we had the spirit and without US aid USSR would've collapsed financially.

Eh, the USSR had enough American technology to fend off attack. Furthermore, the Soviets had much better troops. A very small percentage of Americans shot to kill, the Soviets had a much higher percentage of shoot-to-kill soldiers.
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7/29/2010 1:23:42 PM
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At 7/29/2010 1:18:56 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/17/2010 7:49:20 PM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
About Churchill invading Russia wouldn't it have been better had the US and UK teamed up to take out Russia right after WW2 when we had the everything in place we had the technology to take them out (we had a nuke for several months before they did) we had the spirit and without US aid USSR would've collapsed financially.

Eh, the USSR had enough American technology to fend off attack. Furthermore, the Soviets had much better troops. A very small percentage of Americans shot to kill, the Soviets had a much higher percentage of shoot-to-kill soldiers.

Unfortunately they were shooting their own soldiers.