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MechVarg
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3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P
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3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).
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16kadams
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3/17/2015 11:32:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

;D
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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ConservativePolitico
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3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.
Ore_Ele
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3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.
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ConservativePolitico
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3/18/2015 12:18:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I believe that that is an inevitable fact of flawed humanity. However in Capitalism there is competition that can help to root out cronyism but in communism there is no such safeguard.
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3/18/2015 11:04:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 12:18:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I believe that that is an inevitable fact of flawed humanity. However in Capitalism there is competition that can help to root out cronyism but in communism there is no such safeguard.

It is a fact that it exists in some humans, and there will always be some humans like that. But I wouldn't say that it exists in every human. And if it doesn't exist in every human, then it is possible to have a small group of select, cherry picked people that don't pocess that. We see people like that all the time, in disaster volunteers and community volunteers.
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ConservativePolitico
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3/18/2015 11:18:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 11:04:07 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/18/2015 12:18:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I believe that that is an inevitable fact of flawed humanity. However in Capitalism there is competition that can help to root out cronyism but in communism there is no such safeguard.

It is a fact that it exists in some humans, and there will always be some humans like that. But I wouldn't say that it exists in every human. And if it doesn't exist in every human, then it is possible to have a small group of select, cherry picked people that don't pocess that. We see people like that all the time, in disaster volunteers and community volunteers.

True, I suppose it could work if you handpicked a small group of non-corrupt people who fully believed in communism. But it would only work on a micro-scale. Even then I have my doubts but who knows. Communes fail all the time.
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3/18/2015 12:25:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 11:18:42 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/18/2015 11:04:07 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/18/2015 12:18:59 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I believe that that is an inevitable fact of flawed humanity. However in Capitalism there is competition that can help to root out cronyism but in communism there is no such safeguard.

It is a fact that it exists in some humans, and there will always be some humans like that. But I wouldn't say that it exists in every human. And if it doesn't exist in every human, then it is possible to have a small group of select, cherry picked people that don't pocess that. We see people like that all the time, in disaster volunteers and community volunteers.

True, I suppose it could work if you handpicked a small group of non-corrupt people who fully believed in communism. But it would only work on a micro-scale. Even then I have my doubts but who knows. Communes fail all the time.

Twin Oaks community is almost 50 years old now and is doing fine. But they only have about 100 people. Like I said originally, it can work on a tiny scale (not just small scale, has to be tiny scale). They will be interesting to watch since my biggest concern is with the second and third generations. Those that are born into it, not those that chose to be part of it.
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3/18/2015 3:10:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

According to you...
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3/18/2015 3:39:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Rar no
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3/18/2015 3:55:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/18/2015 3:10:32 PM, debate_power wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

According to you...

Communism doesn't work because it fails to take into account that prices properly indicate how many goods (and what quality) can and should be produced, but under a collective there is no such influence. Central planning, although inferior to the market, is superior to pure communal ownership.
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3/19/2015 9:22:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I disagree, I think society grows more when everyone work to reach their own personal goals and self interests, instead of everyone working to reach the goals of the community.
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3/19/2015 9:52:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 9:22:29 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I disagree, I think society grows more when everyone work to reach their own personal goals and self interests, instead of everyone working to reach the goals of the community.

First off, I disagree, since that reasoning justifies virtually all crime. However, the bigger question is, what were you disagreeing with?
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3/24/2015 8:06:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/19/2015 9:52:48 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:22:29 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I disagree, I think society grows more when everyone work to reach their own personal goals and self interests, instead of everyone working to reach the goals of the community.

First off, I disagree, since that reasoning justifies virtually all crime. However, the bigger question is, what were you disagreeing with?

I was disagreeing with when you said that capitalism can fail when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power.
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3/24/2015 11:13:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/24/2015 8:06:14 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:52:48 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:22:29 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power. But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail.

I disagree, I think society grows more when everyone work to reach their own personal goals and self interests, instead of everyone working to reach the goals of the community.

First off, I disagree, since that reasoning justifies virtually all crime. However, the bigger question is, what were you disagreeing with?

I was disagreeing with when you said that capitalism can fail when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power.

Except I didn't say that. I didn't say anything at all about capitalism. I was speaking only about communism.
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3/25/2015 7:17:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/24/2015 11:13:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/24/2015 8:06:14 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:52:48 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:22:29 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power.

I disagree, I think society grows more when everyone work to reach their own personal goals and self interests, instead of everyone working to reach the goals of the community.

First off, I disagree, since that reasoning justifies virtually all crime. However, the bigger question is, what were you disagreeing with?

I was disagreeing with when you said that capitalism can fail when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power.

Except I didn't say that. I didn't say anything at all about capitalism. I was speaking only about communism.

Your exact words after you explain communism are "But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail."
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3/25/2015 1:49:26 PM
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Communism is a philosophy of living death - it is the philosophy of being a servant to everyone but yourself. It is slavery.
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3/25/2015 9:45:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/25/2015 7:17:29 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/24/2015 11:13:23 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/24/2015 8:06:14 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:52:48 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/19/2015 9:22:29 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:57:17 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:44:28 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:24:59 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 3/17/2015 11:20:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/17/2015 9:45:29 PM, MechVarg wrote:
This is communism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory
This is not: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam, and en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laos
Just clarifying :P

Yep. And communism is still sh!t.

Hey it works... In tiny scale when everyone is 100% on board (but then, most philosophies work when there is 100% support).

Still relies on an infallible idea of man as well which is also unrealistic.

Not really. It relies on men that place the "community" above themselves, which is achieved when you have a 100% commuted populace. Communism falls when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power.

I disagree, I think society grows more when everyone work to reach their own personal goals and self interests, instead of everyone working to reach the goals of the community.

First off, I disagree, since that reasoning justifies virtually all crime. However, the bigger question is, what were you disagreeing with?

I was disagreeing with when you said that capitalism can fail when people that put their own personal gains above those of the people achieve power.

Except I didn't say that. I didn't say anything at all about capitalism. I was speaking only about communism.

Your exact words after you explain communism are "But that is also how crony capitalism fails and any system can fail."

crony capitalism is not capitalism. It is a stage after capitalism has been corrupted into something that is no longer capitalism.
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