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3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM
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Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?
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3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM
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At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...
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3/25/2015 4:43:12 PM
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At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

The dude has suffered enough. We should just let him be.
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3/25/2015 4:45:06 PM
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At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

I agree that we paid too high a price for his release, but come on, he's not a scumbag just because he did something that you or might've very well done in his situation.
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3/25/2015 4:58:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/25/2015 4:45:06 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

I agree that we paid too high a price for his release, but come on, he's not a scumbag just because he did something that you or might've very well done in his situation.

Desert? No... that's pretty scummy. Especially since 6 Americans died looking for him when he left on his own volition.
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3/25/2015 4:58:58 PM
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At 3/25/2015 4:43:12 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

The dude has suffered enough. We should just let him be.

Lots of people who break the law have suffered. Should we just let them all be?
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3/25/2015 5:06:03 PM
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At 3/25/2015 4:58:33 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 4:45:06 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

I agree that we paid too high a price for his release, but come on, he's not a scumbag just because he did something that you or might've very well done in his situation.

Desert? No... that's pretty scummy. Especially since 6 Americans died looking for him when he left on his own volition.

So basically it's scummy to not want to die.
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3/25/2015 5:07:41 PM
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At 3/25/2015 4:58:58 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 4:43:12 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

The dude has suffered enough. We should just let him be.

Lots of people who break the law have suffered. Should we just let them all be?

A prisoner of the Taliban is a LOT worse than sitting in an air-conditioned cell with 3 meals a day and chances to get out and exercise.
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3/25/2015 5:07:52 PM
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At 3/25/2015 5:06:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 4:58:33 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 4:45:06 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

I agree that we paid too high a price for his release, but come on, he's not a scumbag just because he did something that you or might've very well done in his situation.

Desert? No... that's pretty scummy. Especially since 6 Americans died looking for him when he left on his own volition.

So basically it's scummy to not want to die.

It's pathetic that he deserted his comrades, his duty, which he signed up for (we have an entirely volunteer army) and defected to the enemy, made it seem as though he had been taken against his will after he deserted which in turn led to a search effort that cost 6 of his mates their lives. Yes. That is probably the definition of a scumbag.
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3/25/2015 5:08:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 3/25/2015 5:07:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 4:58:58 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 4:43:12 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

The dude has suffered enough. We should just let him be.

Lots of people who break the law have suffered. Should we just let them all be?

A prisoner of the Taliban is a LOT worse than sitting in an air-conditioned cell with 3 meals a day and chances to get out and exercise.

He wasn't even mistreated. Some think he was aiding the Taliban and giving them info. I have little sympathy for him and think that he deserves to be tried.
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3/25/2015 11:36:55 PM
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At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

I think that we should let the military deal with this. Civilians ridiculing a soldier for anything while they sit in their comfy armchairs just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, as if soldiers are being treated as a reality TV show, and we're entitled to take sides and cheer for our own entertainment. It's a spectacle which I, quite frankly, find to be tasteless. If people aren't willing to put on a uniform, then they should really leave the judging to those who are.
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3/26/2015 1:02:15 AM
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At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

Their release date was a few months later. As I recall, there was a short list of 75 detainees that have been slated for release, of which, these 5 were part of. Assuming he was hemorrhaging information, it would serve better for us to reacquire him than to hold on to 5 people whose most immediate strategic assessment would be that the would again try something in the future, but have no knowledge of anything now.
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3/26/2015 6:56:59 AM
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At 3/26/2015 1:02:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

Their release date was a few months later. As I recall, there was a short list of 75 detainees that have been slated for release, of which, these 5 were part of. Assuming he was hemorrhaging information, it would serve better for us to reacquire him than to hold on to 5 people whose most immediate strategic assessment would be that the would again try something in the future, but have no knowledge of anything now.

That reasoning, though realistic, is no where near the sheep spin of Obama saying "he takes care of all the military," not just the ones posing a security risk.
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3/27/2015 11:12:24 PM
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At 3/26/2015 6:56:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/26/2015 1:02:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

Their release date was a few months later. As I recall, there was a short list of 75 detainees that have been slated for release, of which, these 5 were part of. Assuming he was hemorrhaging information, it would serve better for us to reacquire him than to hold on to 5 people whose most immediate strategic assessment would be that the would again try something in the future, but have no knowledge of anything now.

That reasoning, though realistic, is no where near the sheep spin of Obama saying "he takes care of all the military," not just the ones posing a security risk.

I agree, but him saying "Thanks for giving us your informant back for these 5 debriefed mooks" sullies any future trades that might gives us an advantage.
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3/28/2015 8:27:15 AM
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At 3/27/2015 11:12:24 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/26/2015 6:56:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/26/2015 1:02:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

Their release date was a few months later. As I recall, there was a short list of 75 detainees that have been slated for release, of which, these 5 were part of. Assuming he was hemorrhaging information, it would serve better for us to reacquire him than to hold on to 5 people whose most immediate strategic assessment would be that the would again try something in the future, but have no knowledge of anything now.

That reasoning, though realistic, is no where near the sheep spin of Obama saying "he takes care of all the military," not just the ones posing a security risk.

I agree, but him saying "Thanks for giving us your informant back for these 5 debriefed mooks" sullies any future trades that might gives us an advantage.

Who do you think is more ignorant, terrorists who don't know the traded infantry are mooks or the Americans who don't know that Obama refused to vilify a mook deserter? I'm pretty sure if the mooks we released deserted the Taliban, they would have been worth less than nothing, The Taliban is not that stupid.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
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3/28/2015 9:00:03 AM
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At 3/28/2015 8:27:15 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/27/2015 11:12:24 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/26/2015 6:56:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/26/2015 1:02:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

Their release date was a few months later. As I recall, there was a short list of 75 detainees that have been slated for release, of which, these 5 were part of. Assuming he was hemorrhaging information, it would serve better for us to reacquire him than to hold on to 5 people whose most immediate strategic assessment would be that the would again try something in the future, but have no knowledge of anything now.

That reasoning, though realistic, is no where near the sheep spin of Obama saying "he takes care of all the military," not just the ones posing a security risk.

I agree, but him saying "Thanks for giving us your informant back for these 5 debriefed mooks" sullies any future trades that might gives us an advantage.

Who do you think is more ignorant, terrorists who don't know the traded infantry are mooks or the Americans who don't know that Obama refused to vilify a mook deserter? I'm pretty sure if the mooks we released deserted the Taliban, they would have been worth less than nothing, The Taliban is not that stupid.

Vilifying him shows value. Its that simple.
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3/28/2015 9:24:06 AM
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Maybe in Soviet Russia, vilifying shows value...
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
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3/28/2015 9:41:22 AM
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At 3/25/2015 4:58:33 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 4:45:06 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

I agree that we paid too high a price for his release, but come on, he's not a scumbag just because he did something that you or might've very well done in his situation.

Desert? No... that's pretty scummy. Especially since 6 Americans died looking for him when he left on his own volition.
Lookingattheissues reply: "Bowe Berghdal charged with desertion..." Looking at the father and mother of this deserter I have to wonder if this deserter isn't the results of the instructions received from them . "The acorn doesn't all far from the tree," Just another..." John Walker Lindh.... an American Taliban,..... "a 20-year-old American from California,......"
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3/28/2015 11:11:10 AM
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At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Would you have preferred that he be left to die in the hands of terrorists?
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3/28/2015 11:11:32 AM
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At 3/25/2015 3:42:21 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Well, saw that one coming.

Good thing we didn't give away 5 high ranking Taliban commanders for this scumbag... oh wait...

So... what's your point?
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3/28/2015 11:12:05 AM
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At 3/25/2015 11:36:55 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

I think that we should let the military deal with this. Civilians ridiculing a soldier for anything while they sit in their comfy armchairs just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, as if soldiers are being treated as a reality TV show, and we're entitled to take sides and cheer for our own entertainment. It's a spectacle which I, quite frankly, find to be tasteless. If people aren't willing to put on a uniform, then they should really leave the judging to those who are.

Well put.
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3/28/2015 11:21:21 AM
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At 3/28/2015 11:11:10 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Would you have preferred that he be left to die in the hands of terrorists?

That would have been preferrable over handing over 5 Taliban leaders, yes.
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3/28/2015 11:22:20 AM
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At 3/28/2015 11:21:21 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:11:10 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Would you have preferred that he be left to die in the hands of terrorists?

That would have been preferrable over handing over 5 Taliban leaders, yes.

Is it the fact that it's a 5-1 ratio what's bothering you? Is there anything other than that which makes you unhappy here?
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3/28/2015 11:33:14 AM
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At 3/28/2015 11:22:20 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:21:21 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:11:10 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Would you have preferred that he be left to die in the hands of terrorists?

That would have been preferrable over handing over 5 Taliban leaders, yes.

Is it the fact that it's a 5-1 ratio what's bothering you? Is there anything other than that which makes you unhappy here?

Partly, yes A swap of five Taliban leaders for 1 low-level deserter is absurd. He deserted (either due to stupidity or trying to join the Taliban), and his actions directly led to the deaths of 6 Americans who died trying to find him. Moreover, we did not trade for the purpose of bringing him to justice - we did it to bring someone who "served with honor and distinction". The whole thing was a disaster.
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3/28/2015 11:37:26 AM
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At 3/28/2015 11:33:14 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:22:20 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:21:21 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:11:10 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Would you have preferred that he be left to die in the hands of terrorists?

That would have been preferrable over handing over 5 Taliban leaders, yes.

Is it the fact that it's a 5-1 ratio what's bothering you? Is there anything other than that which makes you unhappy here?

Partly, yes A swap of five Taliban leaders for 1 low-level deserter is absurd. He deserted (either due to stupidity or trying to join the Taliban), and his actions directly led to the deaths of 6 Americans who died trying to find him. Moreover, we did not trade for the purpose of bringing him to justice - we did it to bring someone who "served with honor and distinction". The whole thing was a disaster.

There's a lot more going on than that; and it's not just "one" American body. He's more than a body. He knows things about the US military that, if they were in the hands of America's enemies, could acutely compromise our interests.

Also, read the PM I sent you and don't talk about it outside of that PM.
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3/28/2015 11:43:27 AM
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At 3/28/2015 11:37:26 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:33:14 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:22:20 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:21:21 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:11:10 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Would you have preferred that he be left to die in the hands of terrorists?

That would have been preferrable over handing over 5 Taliban leaders, yes.

Is it the fact that it's a 5-1 ratio what's bothering you? Is there anything other than that which makes you unhappy here?

Partly, yes A swap of five Taliban leaders for 1 low-level deserter is absurd. He deserted (either due to stupidity or trying to join the Taliban), and his actions directly led to the deaths of 6 Americans who died trying to find him. Moreover, we did not trade for the purpose of bringing him to justice - we did it to bring someone who "served with honor and distinction". The whole thing was a disaster.

There's a lot more going on than that; and it's not just "one" American body. He's more than a body. He knows things about the US military that, if they were in the hands of America's enemies, could acutely compromise our interests.

Then why the hero's welcome? If that's the case it should be treated as such.

Also, read the PM I sent you and don't talk about it outside of that PM.

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3/28/2015 11:46:37 AM
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At 3/28/2015 11:43:27 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:37:26 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:33:14 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:22:20 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:21:21 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/28/2015 11:11:10 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

Would you have preferred that he be left to die in the hands of terrorists?

That would have been preferrable over handing over 5 Taliban leaders, yes.

Is it the fact that it's a 5-1 ratio what's bothering you? Is there anything other than that which makes you unhappy here?

Partly, yes A swap of five Taliban leaders for 1 low-level deserter is absurd. He deserted (either due to stupidity or trying to join the Taliban), and his actions directly led to the deaths of 6 Americans who died trying to find him. Moreover, we did not trade for the purpose of bringing him to justice - we did it to bring someone who "served with honor and distinction". The whole thing was a disaster.

There's a lot more going on than that; and it's not just "one" American body. He's more than a body. He knows things about the US military that, if they were in the hands of America's enemies, could acutely compromise our interests.

Then why the hero's welcome? If that's the case it should be treated as such.

Because he's a soldier, and we don't presume guilt before trial. You all need to seriously think about the bigger picture here.

Also, read the PM I sent you and don't talk about it outside of that PM.

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3/28/2015 11:56:13 AM
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At 3/25/2015 11:36:55 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/25/2015 2:06:59 PM, TN05 wrote:
Can't wait to see what the Iran nuke deal looks like... can't really be worse than this one, right?

I think that we should let the military deal with this. Civilians ridiculing a soldier for anything while they sit in their comfy armchairs just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, as if soldiers are being treated as a reality TV show, and we're entitled to take sides and cheer for our own entertainment. It's a spectacle which I, quite frankly, find to be tasteless. If people aren't willing to put on a uniform, then they should really leave the judging to those who are.

Yeah, I agree with this very much
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3/28/2015 1:50:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
It's the civilians and the politicians giving this guy the schmooze.

The military is the only thing doing anything right. If civilians really would reserve judgment as you say, this political sham show should never have happened.
I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations.
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection,
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.