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4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM
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At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".
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4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM
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At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.
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4/12/2015 6:48:46 PM
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At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Agreed.
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4/12/2015 8:02:41 PM
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At 4/12/2015 6:48:46 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Agreed.
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4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.
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4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.
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4/12/2015 9:13:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.

Yes it is, but that isn't education like school. Education does convey knowledge, sure, but I've learned more from self-education than from high school. School is important--and I'm not opposing "free" public education--I'm just saying it isn't a right.
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4/12/2015 9:18:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:13:49 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.

Yes it is, but that isn't education like school. Education does convey knowledge, sure, but I've learned more from self-education than from high school. School is important--and I'm not opposing "free" public education--I'm just saying it isn't a right.

Fact: People have the right to an education.
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4/12/2015 9:19:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:18:29 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:13:49 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.

Yes it is, but that isn't education like school. Education does convey knowledge, sure, but I've learned more from self-education than from high school. School is important--and I'm not opposing "free" public education--I'm just saying it isn't a right.

Fact: People have the right to an education.

Prove it.
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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4/12/2015 9:20:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Define "deserve."
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4/12/2015 9:21:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:19:59 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:18:29 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:13:49 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.

Yes it is, but that isn't education like school. Education does convey knowledge, sure, but I've learned more from self-education than from high school. School is important--and I'm not opposing "free" public education--I'm just saying it isn't a right.

Fact: People have the right to an education.

Prove it.

Prove me wrong.
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4/12/2015 9:22:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:21:43 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:19:59 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:18:29 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:13:49 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.

Yes it is, but that isn't education like school. Education does convey knowledge, sure, but I've learned more from self-education than from high school. School is important--and I'm not opposing "free" public education--I'm just saying it isn't a right.

Fact: People have the right to an education.

Prove it.

Prove me wrong.

You made the affirmative claim and thus have the burden of proof. If you can't do it your position isn't very strong.
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4/12/2015 9:24:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:20:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Define "deserve."
I have properly answered the question. You need to stop trolling. If someone has the right to or deserves something, that means that they should be able to have it.
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4/12/2015 9:27:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:24:55 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:20:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Define "deserve."
I have properly answered the question. You need to stop trolling. If someone has the right to or deserves something, that means that they should be able to have it.

Under that definition, everything is a right.
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4/12/2015 9:27:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:22:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:21:43 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:19:59 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:18:29 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:13:49 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.

Yes it is, but that isn't education like school. Education does convey knowledge, sure, but I've learned more from self-education than from high school. School is important--and I'm not opposing "free" public education--I'm just saying it isn't a right.

Fact: People have the right to an education.

Prove it.

Prove me wrong.

You made the affirmative claim and thus have the burden of proof. If you can't do it your position isn't very strong.

Why?
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4/12/2015 9:29:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:27:45 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:22:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:21:43 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:19:59 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:18:29 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:13:49 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:05:39 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:41:33 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

It is not a right, but the state should provide it as they do now.

Yes it IS a right. People have the right to obtain knowledge.

Yes it is, but that isn't education like school. Education does convey knowledge, sure, but I've learned more from self-education than from high school. School is important--and I'm not opposing "free" public education--I'm just saying it isn't a right.

Fact: People have the right to an education.

Prove it.

Prove me wrong.

You made the affirmative claim and thus have the burden of proof. If you can't do it your position isn't very strong.

Why?

lol
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4/12/2015 9:29:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:27:11 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:24:55 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:20:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Define "deserve."
I have properly answered the question. You need to stop trolling. If someone has the right to or deserves something, that means that they should be able to have it.

Under that definition, everything is a right.

That is not what I am saying. I am saying that education is a right.
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4/12/2015 9:31:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:29:57 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:27:11 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:24:55 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:20:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Define "deserve."
I have properly answered the question. You need to stop trolling. If someone has the right to or deserves something, that means that they should be able to have it.

Under that definition, everything is a right.

That is not what I am saying. I am saying that education is a right.

Yeah I heard. I'm saying you defined your terms poorly.
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4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?
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4/12/2015 9:49:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:31:46 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:29:57 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:27:11 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:24:55 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:20:09 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Define "deserve."
I have properly answered the question. You need to stop trolling. If someone has the right to or deserves something, that means that they should be able to have it.

Under that definition, everything is a right.

That is not what I am saying. I am saying that education is a right.

Yeah I heard. I'm saying you defined your terms poorly.

You have the right to your opinion.
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4/12/2015 9:50:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?

Fact: Rights exist.
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4/12/2015 9:52:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:50:49 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?

Fact: Rights exist.

Says who? Can you provide any proof as to the existence of rights? Are they not simply a manmade moral concept?
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4/13/2015 10:55:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2015 9:50:49 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?

Fact: Rights exist.

Rights exist but not as physical objects or rewards. The only right you have are rights to actions. For example you have the right to go out and try to get a car, but whether or not you get it is dependent on you. A right can't impose any obligation onto others, merely the negative obligation to leave you alone.
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4/13/2015 1:49:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/13/2015 10:55:47 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:50:49 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?

Fact: Rights exist.

Rights exist but not as physical objects or rewards. The only right you have are rights to actions. For example you have the right to go out and try to get a car, but whether or not you get it is dependent on you. A right can't impose any obligation onto others, merely the negative obligation to leave you alone.

I agree. Thank you.
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4/13/2015 1:51:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/13/2015 1:49:08 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/13/2015 10:55:47 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:50:49 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?

Fact: Rights exist.

Rights exist but not as physical objects or rewards. The only right you have are rights to actions. For example you have the right to go out and try to get a car, but whether or not you get it is dependent on you. A right can't impose any obligation onto others, merely the negative obligation to leave you alone.

I agree. Thank you.

Because of this i would say that education isn't a right .
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4/13/2015 2:05:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/13/2015 1:51:07 PM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 4/13/2015 1:49:08 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/13/2015 10:55:47 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:50:49 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?

Fact: Rights exist.

Rights exist but not as physical objects or rewards. The only right you have are rights to actions. For example you have the right to go out and try to get a car, but whether or not you get it is dependent on you. A right can't impose any obligation onto others, merely the negative obligation to leave you alone.

I agree. Thank you.

Because of this i would say that education isn't a right .

You are wrong. Education IS a right.
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4/13/2015 2:07:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/13/2015 1:51:07 PM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 4/13/2015 1:49:08 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/13/2015 10:55:47 AM, Josh_debate wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:50:49 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:42:16 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 9:07:05 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
At 4/12/2015 6:00:42 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/12/2015 4:02:50 PM, LiberalProlifer wrote:
Do you agree or disagree? I agree that education is a right.

Define a "right".

A right is something that people deserve to have.

Why does anyone deserve to have anything? Who says that anyone deserves squat?

Fact: Rights exist.

Rights exist but not as physical objects or rewards. The only right you have are rights to actions. For example you have the right to go out and try to get a car, but whether or not you get it is dependent on you. A right can't impose any obligation onto others, merely the negative obligation to leave you alone.

I agree. Thank you.

Because of this i would say that education isn't a right .

It begs the question as to WHY education is not a right.