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7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?
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7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check
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: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

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7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.
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7/30/2010 10:35:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.

but still the idea is that the government forces you to save for retirement, and somehow thinks they know better how to manage your money.
: At 8/17/2010 7:17:56 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

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7/30/2010 10:38:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:35:50 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.

but still the idea is that the government forces you to save for retirement, and somehow thinks they know better how to manage your money.

it's not just retirement though. fair enough about that, but it's looking after those who can't look after themselves aswell.
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7/30/2010 10:39:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:38:04 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:35:50 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.

but still the idea is that the government forces you to save for retirement, and somehow thinks they know better how to manage your money.

it's not just retirement though. fair enough about that, but it's looking after those who can't look after themselves aswell.

So the government is taking under threat of force money from me and giving it to someone else who has earned it? I have a small problem with that
: At 8/17/2010 7:17:56 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

Arguing with an atheist about God is very similar to arguing with a blind man about what the Sistine Chapel looks like
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7/30/2010 10:41:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:39:03 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:38:04 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:35:50 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.

but still the idea is that the government forces you to save for retirement, and somehow thinks they know better how to manage your money.

it's not just retirement though. fair enough about that, but it's looking after those who can't look after themselves aswell.

So the government is taking under threat of force money from me and giving it to someone else who has earned it? I have a small problem with that

there's no threat. you can leave if you want to. you're just a greedy fvck.
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7/30/2010 10:44:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
i suppose they're not really contributing anything money wise to be a part of society but have a heart like.
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7/30/2010 10:44:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:41:41 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:39:03 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:38:04 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:35:50 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.

but still the idea is that the government forces you to save for retirement, and somehow thinks they know better how to manage your money.

it's not just retirement though. fair enough about that, but it's looking after those who can't look after themselves aswell.

So the government is taking under threat of force money from me and giving it to someone else who has earned it? I have a small problem with that

there's no threat. you can leave if you want to. you're just a greedy fvck.

Actually I'm not about 15% of my paycheck goes towards charitable donations I just have the problem that someone is making me do it in the case of social security. And you can't leave social security they take the money straight out of your paycheck
: At 8/17/2010 7:17:56 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

Arguing with an atheist about God is very similar to arguing with a blind man about what the Sistine Chapel looks like
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7/30/2010 10:50:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:44:05 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:41:41 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:39:03 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:38:04 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:35:50 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.

but still the idea is that the government forces you to save for retirement, and somehow thinks they know better how to manage your money.

it's not just retirement though. fair enough about that, but it's looking after those who can't look after themselves aswell.

So the government is taking under threat of force money from me and giving it to someone else who has earned it? I have a small problem with that

there's no threat. you can leave if you want to. you're just a greedy fvck.

Actually I'm not about 15% of my paycheck goes towards charitable donations I just have the problem that someone is making me do it in the case of social security. And you can't leave social security they take the money straight out of your paycheck

you can leave society. why not do it through the governement though if you've no problem with helping them out... i imagine it'd be a lot more efficient.
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7/30/2010 10:52:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 10:50:01 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:44:05 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:41:41 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:39:03 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:38:04 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:35:50 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:34:36 AM, badger wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:29:28 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 10:27:30 AM, badger wrote:
i've noticed a lot of you are con on social security in your big issues. that seems very unfair to me. any of you want to explain your stance to me?

Basically the government takes you money under the pretense that they think they know how to better manage it then you (even though every program they have ever run is now bankrupt) then they spend the money they promised they would pay you back when you retire. And my generation ends up several billion dollars in debt and never seeing a single social security check

that's a problem with the government, not social security.

but still the idea is that the government forces you to save for retirement, and somehow thinks they know better how to manage your money.

it's not just retirement though. fair enough about that, but it's looking after those who can't look after themselves aswell.

So the government is taking under threat of force money from me and giving it to someone else who has earned it? I have a small problem with that

there's no threat. you can leave if you want to. you're just a greedy fvck.

Actually I'm not about 15% of my paycheck goes towards charitable donations I just have the problem that someone is making me do it in the case of social security. And you can't leave social security they take the money straight out of your paycheck

you can leave society. why not do it through the governement though if you've no problem with helping them out... i imagine it'd be a lot more efficient.

and fvck granting the freedom to be selfish. society is a team effort lol.
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7/30/2010 11:07:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
there's no threat. you can leave if you want to.
There is nowhere on earth without taxes or other regulations that initiate force.

And in any case if I take a gun to your house and point it to you demanding your stuff, does the fact you can leave your house make it all better?
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7/30/2010 11:10:37 AM
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and fvck granting the freedom to be selfish. society is a team effort lol.

I never agreed to this "society." And it's not granted, it's a right. You can violate it, but the price is that you are my enemy, and the enemy of all others who seek freedom. And it becomes rational to shoot you once enough people wake up.
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7/30/2010 11:12:29 AM
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To put it in terms you might understand better, "f*** selfish notions of consent. Unlubricated buttecks is a team effort."

If a bunch of men tell you this, will you all of a sudden not want to resist what they're trying to do?
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7/30/2010 11:14:00 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:12:29 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
To put it in terms you might understand better, "f*** selfish notions of consent. Unlubricated buttsecks is a team effort."

If a bunch of men tell you this, will you all of a sudden not want to resist what they're trying to do?

spelling of a deliberate misspelling fix'd sigh.
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7/30/2010 11:19:57 AM
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Badger, you are wasting your time trying to get a reasonable answer here because some people are, how can I put this nicely...heartless bastards!

To these people social security is a case of "I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder" and "survival of the fittest and let the devil take the hindmost."
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7/30/2010 11:27:16 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:19:57 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Badger, you are wasting your time trying to get a reasonable answer here because some people are, how can I put this nicely...heartless bastards!

To these people social security is a case of "I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder" and "survival of the fittest and let the devil take the hindmost."

That is not true I give quite a large sum of my money to charity. I just don't think government should be able to take by force from me my money and give it to someone else I will be happy to give it to someone else as long as it isn't forced
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: Hey dawg, i herd you like evangelical trolls so we put a bible thumper in yo bible thumper so you can troll while you troll!

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7/30/2010 11:28:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 11:19:57 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Badger, you are wasting your time trying to get a reasonable answer here because some people are, how can I put this nicely...heartless bastards!

To these people social security is a case of "I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder" and "survival of the fittest and let the devil take the hindmost."

well said.
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7/30/2010 11:29:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/30/2010 11:27:16 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 11:19:57 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Badger, you are wasting your time trying to get a reasonable answer here because some people are, how can I put this nicely...heartless bastards!

To these people social security is a case of "I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder" and "survival of the fittest and let the devil take the hindmost."

That is not true I give quite a large sum of my money to charity. I just don't think government should be able to take by force from me my money and give it to someone else I will be happy to give it to someone else as long as it isn't forced

You are a rare exception, especially on this site.
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7/30/2010 11:31:15 AM
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7/30/2010 11:35:48 AM
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It isn't even just the ideological issues, there are some serious sustainability issues. It's a giant Ponzi scheme that cannot work indefinitely. It is unlikely that there will be social security benefits when i retire, it is almost absolutely not going to be there when some of the younger people on this site retire, at least in the current form it's in. Meanwhile we are forcefully contributing to a system that promises something that it cannot deliver. It is a typical government program; it grows and grows and becomes less and less efficient in carrying out its intended purpose.
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7/30/2010 11:36:12 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:29:05 AM, kelly224 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 11:27:16 AM, Strikeeagle84015 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 11:19:57 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Badger, you are wasting your time trying to get a reasonable answer here because some people are, how can I put this nicely...heartless bastards!

To these people social security is a case of "I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder" and "survival of the fittest and let the devil take the hindmost."

That is not true I give quite a large sum of my money to charity. I just don't think government should be able to take by force from me my money and give it to someone else I will be happy to give it to someone else as long as it isn't forced

You are a rare exception, especially on this site.

This site is made up mostly of poor, young people, who do currently or will shortly have their paychecks redistributed to less poor, elderly people, who have had a whole life to save but chose to rely on thieves instead, through social security :P.
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7/30/2010 11:38:16 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:35:48 AM, innomen wrote:
It isn't even just the ideological issues, there are some serious sustainability issues. It's a giant Ponzi scheme that cannot work indefinitely. It is unlikely that there will be social security benefits when i retire, it is almost absolutely not going to be there when some of the younger people on this site retire, at least in the current form it's in. Meanwhile we are forcefully contributing to a system that promises something that it cannot deliver. It is a typical government program; it grows and grows and becomes less and less efficient in carrying out its intended purpose.

The system is not working because of some the massive debt we have acquired, and they have to trample something to pay for all the overspending that government is famous for. Every political party claims to be about reducing taxes, but never say where this money is coming from on the back end.
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7/30/2010 11:40:02 AM
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So, naturally Kelly, your solution is more taxes and more spending. :P
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7/30/2010 11:43:27 AM
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Despite the fact that the spending in the topic has a disparate negative impact on blacks, and you're well known for whining about racism, except when perpetuated by the welfare state I suppose.
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7/30/2010 11:44:34 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:38:16 AM, kelly224 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 11:35:48 AM, innomen wrote:
It isn't even just the ideological issues, there are some serious sustainability issues. It's a giant Ponzi scheme that cannot work indefinitely. It is unlikely that there will be social security benefits when i retire, it is almost absolutely not going to be there when some of the younger people on this site retire, at least in the current form it's in. Meanwhile we are forcefully contributing to a system that promises something that it cannot deliver. It is a typical government program; it grows and grows and becomes less and less efficient in carrying out its intended purpose.

The system is not working because of some the massive debt we have acquired, and they have to trample something to pay for all the overspending that government is famous for. Every political party claims to be about reducing taxes, but never say where this money is coming from on the back end.

I don't think this is terribly accurate. The social security tax is specifically supposed to be designated just for that. It is supposed to be untouched by any debt, and is supposed to be self supporting, which is illogical in itself. This tax is supposed to be different than standard income tax.
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7/30/2010 11:54:03 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:40:02 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
So, naturally Kelly, your solution is more taxes and more spending. :P

NO that's not my solution, but don't act like this excessive spending just started with Obama's administration or Democrats, because Congress spends large sums of money on war.(unaccounted for)

Of course I don't suggest we spend ourselves into oblivion, but no one seemed to have a problem with us spending ourselves into debt, now all of a sudden it's a problem. Economists, and think tanks KNEW the economic collapse was going to happen YEARS AGO. This is not anything that dropped out of the sky. Any laymen can see that if you spend more than you generate you are going to go broke.
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7/30/2010 11:55:36 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:54:03 AM, kelly224 wrote:
At 7/30/2010 11:40:02 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
So, naturally Kelly, your solution is more taxes and more spending. :P

NO that's not my solution, but don't act like this excessive spending just started with Obama's administration or Democrats, because Congress spends large sums of money on war.(unaccounted for)

Of course I don't suggest we spend ourselves into oblivion, but no one seemed to have a problem with us spending ourselves into debt, now all of a sudden it's a problem. Economists, and think tanks KNEW the economic collapse was going to happen YEARS AGO. This is not anything that dropped out of the sky. Any laymen can see that if you spend more than you generate you are going to go broke.

I don't think anyone suggested it started with Obama, it started with FDR.
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7/30/2010 11:57:18 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:43:27 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Despite the fact that the spending in the topic has a disparate negative impact on blacks, and you're well known for whining about racism, except when perpetuated by the welfare state I suppose.

Whatever you say dude. It's whining for someone to explain there point of view? We don't have the same experiences. Just to state a point, there was NO recession for(some) blacks,they are always in recession. It's insensitivity like this that the world is in the state it is now. People acting as if they can speak for everyone, secretly out for their own self interests.
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7/30/2010 11:58:03 AM
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At 7/30/2010 11:10:37 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
and fvck granting the freedom to be selfish. society is a team effort lol.

I never agreed to this "society." And it's not granted, it's a right. You can violate it, but the price is that you are my enemy, and the enemy of all others who seek freedom. And it becomes rational to shoot you once enough people wake up.

you live in it and you take what it has to offer. if you take you should give also... it's only fair. if you've a problem with it go join a hippy commune.
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