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7/31/2010 7:11:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It's an excerpt from a document:

Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the XXX Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the XXX Volunteers and the XXX Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

The XXX's were put in to not give it away, although with Google it's easy enough to cheat.
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7/31/2010 9:49:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
hmm, I guessed Israel. I wuz wrong.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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7/31/2010 10:52:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 7:11:02 AM, innomen wrote:
It's an excerpt from a document:

Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the XXX Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the XXX Volunteers and the XXX Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

The XXX's were put in to not give it away, although with Google it's easy enough to cheat.

An excerpt of the Proclamation of the Irish Republic, as read by Patrick Pearse on the steps of the GPO on Easter Monday of 1916.

Can't beat me on Irish history b*tches.
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7/31/2010 10:55:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 10:52:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 7:11:02 AM, innomen wrote:
It's an excerpt from a document:

Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the XXX Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the XXX Volunteers and the XXX Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

The XXX's were put in to not give it away, although with Google it's easy enough to cheat.

An excerpt of the Proclamation of the Irish Republic, as read by Patrick Pearse on the steps of the GPO on Easter Monday of 1916.

Can't beat me on Irish history b*tches.

Took you long enough. I think i would have got it if put just like i put it. Original is at Trinity College, and I remember reading it, and was impressed.
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7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 10:55:18 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:52:26 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 7:11:02 AM, innomen wrote:
It's an excerpt from a document:

Having organised and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organisation, the XXX Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the XXX Volunteers and the XXX Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

The XXX's were put in to not give it away, although with Google it's easy enough to cheat.

An excerpt of the Proclamation of the Irish Republic, as read by Patrick Pearse on the steps of the GPO on Easter Monday of 1916.

Can't beat me on Irish history b*tches.

Took you long enough. I think i would have got it if put just like i put it. Original is at Trinity College, and I remember reading it, and was impressed.

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.
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7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?
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7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.
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7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.

I expected you to go in a different direction.
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7/31/2010 11:11:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.

I expected you to go in a different direction.

Oh yeah, gays were discriminated, and homosexuality was banned up until the mid 80's. Also, there was strict censorship, not just porn, but of anti-Catholics ideas, up until the mid 80's too. A book was banned which mentioned two women kissing.
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7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:11:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.

I expected you to go in a different direction.

Oh yeah, gays were discriminated, and homosexuality was banned up until the mid 80's. Also, there was strict censorship, not just porn, but of anti-Catholics ideas, up until the mid 80's too. A book was banned which mentioned two women kissing.

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.
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7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:11:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.

I expected you to go in a different direction.

Oh yeah, gays were discriminated, and homosexuality was banned up until the mid 80's. Also, there was strict censorship, not just porn, but of anti-Catholics ideas, up until the mid 80's too. A book was banned which mentioned two women kissing.

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.
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7/31/2010 11:40:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:11:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.

I expected you to go in a different direction.

Oh yeah, gays were discriminated, and homosexuality was banned up until the mid 80's. Also, there was strict censorship, not just porn, but of anti-Catholics ideas, up until the mid 80's too. A book was banned which mentioned two women kissing.

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.

Yeah, pretty much, and all the details that went into that. Compromises had to be made i suppose. It's also a difficult thing for an American to understand.
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7/31/2010 11:51:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:40:22 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:11:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.

I expected you to go in a different direction.

Oh yeah, gays were discriminated, and homosexuality was banned up until the mid 80's. Also, there was strict censorship, not just porn, but of anti-Catholics ideas, up until the mid 80's too. A book was banned which mentioned two women kissing.

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.

Yeah, pretty much, and all the details that went into that. Compromises had to be made i suppose. It's also a difficult thing for an American to understand.

Well, if you look at it from the viewpoint we were right next door and had half the world against us, we did well.
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7/31/2010 11:55:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:51:11 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:40:22 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:11:55 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:02:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:57:31 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 10:56:42 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:

There are a few originals. It's one of the Quotes on my profile. Shame most of it was betrayed in the Constitution.

You mean the original ideals?

Yep.

"The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past."

Firstly, women were discriminated against heavily. Civil workers had to give up their jobs once pregnant.

As for religious liberty, the Catholic Church had a "Special place" in the Constitution up until the 90's. Which discriminates against the Protestant minority.

I expected you to go in a different direction.

Oh yeah, gays were discriminated, and homosexuality was banned up until the mid 80's. Also, there was strict censorship, not just porn, but of anti-Catholics ideas, up until the mid 80's too. A book was banned which mentioned two women kissing.

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.

Yeah, pretty much, and all the details that went into that. Compromises had to be made i suppose. It's also a difficult thing for an American to understand.

Well, if you look at it from the viewpoint we were right next door and had half the world against us, we did well.

Technically we did too after our revolution. Canada was just as much English soil as any part of the UK, hence what happened in the war of 1812. I do know it's different though.
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7/31/2010 12:02:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 11:55:14 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:51:11 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:40:22 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.

Yeah, pretty much, and all the details that went into that. Compromises had to be made i suppose. It's also a difficult thing for an American to understand.

Well, if you look at it from the viewpoint we were right next door and had half the world against us, we did well.

Technically we did too after our revolution. Canada was just as much English soil as any part of the UK, hence what happened in the war of 1812. I do know it's different though.

Well, Canada wasn't really in British hands at the time to my knowledge, and as well as that the British had a 3 month commute just to get to America.
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7/31/2010 12:11:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:02:01 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:55:14 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:51:11 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:40:22 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.

Yeah, pretty much, and all the details that went into that. Compromises had to be made i suppose. It's also a difficult thing for an American to understand.

Well, if you look at it from the viewpoint we were right next door and had half the world against us, we did well.

Technically we did too after our revolution. Canada was just as much English soil as any part of the UK, hence what happened in the war of 1812. I do know it's different though.

Well, Canada wasn't really in British hands at the time to my knowledge, and as well as that the British had a 3 month commute just to get to America.

Huh? Way wrong on both counts. In the words of Panda that is a fail sentence.
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7/31/2010 12:15:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:11:24 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 12:02:01 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:55:14 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:51:11 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:40:22 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.

Yeah, pretty much, and all the details that went into that. Compromises had to be made i suppose. It's also a difficult thing for an American to understand.

Well, if you look at it from the viewpoint we were right next door and had half the world against us, we did well.

Technically we did too after our revolution. Canada was just as much English soil as any part of the UK, hence what happened in the war of 1812. I do know it's different though.

Well, Canada wasn't really in British hands at the time to my knowledge, and as well as that the British had a 3 month commute just to get to America.

Huh? Way wrong on both counts. In the words of Panda that is a fail sentence.

Eh, the one on Canada is wrong (Not off by much), but it was a 3 month-ish boat ride from England to America.
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7/31/2010 12:21:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:15:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Eh, the one on Canada is wrong (Not off by much)

In 1812, Canada was very much in British hands. Our independence didn't occur until 1867. 1812 just served to help increase our desire for responsible government. But, absolutely, during the War of 1812, Canada was under the domain of the British. The armies that fought during the war, while made mostly of Canadian servicemen, were still commanded by British officers.

So I wouldn't say "not off by much" either. :P
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7/31/2010 12:21:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:15:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 12:11:24 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 12:02:01 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:55:14 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:51:11 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:40:22 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:30:59 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/31/2010 11:15:21 AM, innomen wrote:

No no, not that (what do you think, all i ever care about is gay issues?) - it's still pretty bad in that respect over there. I was thinking more in terms of the compromises made for peace; certain points of autonomy.

Do you mean that wee only settled for dominion status? We weren't going to get anything else from the British.

Yeah, pretty much, and all the details that went into that. Compromises had to be made i suppose. It's also a difficult thing for an American to understand.

Well, if you look at it from the viewpoint we were right next door and had half the world against us, we did well.

Technically we did too after our revolution. Canada was just as much English soil as any part of the UK, hence what happened in the war of 1812. I do know it's different though.

Well, Canada wasn't really in British hands at the time to my knowledge, and as well as that the British had a 3 month commute just to get to America.

Huh? Way wrong on both counts. In the words of Panda that is a fail sentence.

Eh, the one on Canada is wrong (Not off by much), but it was a 3 month-ish boat ride from England to America.

The British had forts all over Canada; some of the biggest battles in the rev. war was fought right between the two (what are now) countries. During the war of 1812 a huge battle was fought at fort McHenry (that's where the Star Spangled Banner was written). Panda fail.
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7/31/2010 12:23:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:21:00 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/31/2010 12:15:35 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Eh, the one on Canada is wrong (Not off by much)

In 1812, Canada was very much in British hands. Our independence didn't occur until 1867. 1812 just served to help increase our desire for responsible government. But, absolutely, during the War of 1812, Canada was under the domain of the British. The armies that fought during the war, while made mostly of Canadian servicemen, were still commanded by British officers.

So I wouldn't say "not off by much" either. :P

Was waiting for when you were going to chime in.
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7/31/2010 12:24:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:21:20 PM, innomen wrote:
The British had forts all over Canada; some of the biggest battles in the rev. war was fought right between the two (what are now) countries. During the war of 1812 a huge battle was fought at fort McHenry (that's where the Star Spangled Banner was written). Panda fail.

Yep, it's all true, though again - the servicemen were mostly Canadian volunteers.

Oh, and we burned down the White House. We totally take credit for that.
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7/31/2010 12:26:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:24:00 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/31/2010 12:21:20 PM, innomen wrote:
The British had forts all over Canada; some of the biggest battles in the rev. war was fought right between the two (what are now) countries. During the war of 1812 a huge battle was fought at fort McHenry (that's where the Star Spangled Banner was written). Panda fail.

Yep, it's all true, though again - the servicemen were mostly Canadian volunteers.

Oh, and we burned down the White House. We totally take credit for that.



Yeah, i'm not thinking the Canadians had much to do with burning the White House down. Interesting how most Americans don't know that little factoid.
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7/31/2010 12:38:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:28:50 PM, badger wrote:
i needs to brush up on my history.

For a while there was talk of the US invading Canada, Washington considered it. As unthinkable and absurd as it sounds today; people don't think of Canada as British then, nor as a mortal enemy of our country. However, it was a serious threat on the border.
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7/31/2010 12:43:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:38:44 PM, innomen wrote:
At 7/31/2010 12:28:50 PM, badger wrote:
i needs to brush up on my history.

For a while there was talk of the US invading Canada, Washington considered it. As unthinkable and absurd as it sounds today; people don't think of Canada as British then, nor as a mortal enemy of our country. However, it was a serious threat on the border.

you hardly thought i was talking about that...
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7/31/2010 12:43:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:38:44 PM, innomen wrote:
For a while there was talk of the US invading Canada, Washington considered it. As unthinkable and absurd as it sounds today; people don't think of Canada as British then, nor as a mortal enemy of our country. However, it was a serious threat on the border.

Serious threat, sort of. The reason why they went after Canada was because it was convenient. Rather than fight a battle on the seas against the British (and the entire issue was over British blocking of US ships) which they know they couldn't win, they thought invading their Canadian ward would be an easier way to send a message and get a bargaining position. They also thought they'd get some help from the Quebecois, but that failed spectacularly...

Up to then, Canada never truly represented a threat, since we were poorly defended and the British were not going to waste resources sending troops over to defend us, or launch an attack on the US, during the middle of the Napoleonic Wars.
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7/31/2010 12:54:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:43:48 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 7/31/2010 12:38:44 PM, innomen wrote:
For a while there was talk of the US invading Canada, Washington considered it. As unthinkable and absurd as it sounds today; people don't think of Canada as British then, nor as a mortal enemy of our country. However, it was a serious threat on the border.

Serious threat, sort of. The reason why they went after Canada was because it was convenient. Rather than fight a battle on the seas against the British (and the entire issue was over British blocking of US ships) which they know they couldn't win, they thought invading their Canadian ward would be an easier way to send a message and get a bargaining position. They also thought they'd get some help from the Quebecois, but that failed spectacularly...

Up to then, Canada never truly represented a threat, since we were poorly defended and the British were not going to waste resources sending troops over to defend us, or launch an attack on the US, during the middle of the Napoleonic Wars.

By serious threat i mean the British, and it wasn't just "blocking" the US ships, it was forcing the hands on the American ships to join the British navy. The rest is all true, but my point is it's hard for us to have a mindset that Canada was British soil at the time, and what that represented.
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7/31/2010 1:12:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/31/2010 12:54:44 PM, innomen wrote:
By serious threat i mean the British, and it wasn't just "blocking" the US ships, it was forcing the hands on the American ships to join the British navy. The rest is all true, but my point is it's hard for us to have a mindset that Canada was British soil at the time, and what that represented.

In all honesty, it's not hard for us. Our history class, with an already very animated teacher, made the War of 1812 a hilarious sticking point against the Americans. xD