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The-Voice-of-Truth
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4/27/2015 9:43:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
So, I was researching gun laws in Tennessee because I was bored, and I stumbled upon this: http://www.usatoday.com...

What do you think?
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4/27/2015 9:57:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I find it amusing that people get upset when legal products are allowed to be in places where people are legally allowed to be.
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4/27/2015 10:26:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/27/2015 9:57:22 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I find it amusing that people get upset when legal products are allowed to be in places where people are legally allowed to be.

Nice way of putting it.
Suh dude

"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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5/1/2015 5:53:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
If one of the American passengers somehow managed to sneak a 9 mm Glock onto an airplane in his carry on luggage, and this was an airplane that was on its way to destroy the world trade center, would all those people have died?
TBR
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5/1/2015 10:22:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/27/2015 10:26:41 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 4/27/2015 9:57:22 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I find it amusing that people get upset when legal products are allowed to be in places where people are legally allowed to be.

Nice way of putting it.

alcohol is not premeditated in public parks. A legal product not allowed in places where people are legally allowed to be, right?
TBR
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5/1/2015 10:23:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/27/2015 9:57:22 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I find it amusing that people get upset when legal products are allowed to be in places where people are legally allowed to be.

Pornography is not allowed in public. A legal product not allowed to be in places where people are legally allowed to be.
Khaos_Mage
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5/1/2015 12:32:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/1/2015 10:22:55 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/27/2015 10:26:41 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 4/27/2015 9:57:22 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
I find it amusing that people get upset when legal products are allowed to be in places where people are legally allowed to be.

Nice way of putting it.

alcohol is not premeditated in public parks. A legal product not allowed in places where people are legally allowed to be, right?

You know, I try very hard to choose my words carefully.
If people are upset that a legal product is in public (i.e. exist, which does not imply in plain sight), the logical response should be to ban the product.
Laws =/= morality or personal views
My work here is, finally, done.
TBR
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5/1/2015 12:36:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
You know, I try very hard to choose my words carefully.
If people are upset that a legal product is in public (i.e. exist, which does not imply in plain sight), the logical response should be to ban the product.
Laws =/= morality or personal views

So, plain sight is the thing then? How about flasks?
Khaos_Mage
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5/1/2015 1:04:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/1/2015 12:36:21 PM, TBR wrote:
You know, I try very hard to choose my words carefully.
If people are upset that a legal product is in public (i.e. exist, which does not imply in plain sight), the logical response should be to ban the product.
Laws =/= morality or personal views

So, plain sight is the thing then? How about flasks?

What about them?
Why is drinking in public such a bad thing? Aren't bars public places, after all?

Regardless, specifically with guns, think about the issue.
I can buy a gun legally.
I register it.
I take the class.
I am approved for a conceal/carry permit, issued by the government.
Then government now tells me I can't have it where government is the authority (as opposed to a private establishment)

Dafuq? That is thrice a legal product for me, which I can't have in public.
My work here is, finally, done.
TBR
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5/1/2015 1:23:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago

What about them?
Why is drinking in public such a bad thing? Aren't bars public places, after all?

Regardless, specifically with guns, think about the issue.
I can buy a gun legally.
I register it.
I take the class.
I am approved for a conceal/carry permit, issued by the government.
Then government now tells me I can't have it where government is the authority (as opposed to a private establishment)

Dafuq? That is thrice a legal product for me, which I can't have in public.

The legality of the product is not some universal. It comes with limits. The case of liquor, pornography or a gun. So what you passes a class. That has nothing to do with the restriction.
Khaos_Mage
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5/1/2015 1:28:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/1/2015 1:23:14 PM, TBR wrote:

What about them?
Why is drinking in public such a bad thing? Aren't bars public places, after all?

Regardless, specifically with guns, think about the issue.
I can buy a gun legally.
I register it.
I take the class.
I am approved for a conceal/carry permit, issued by the government.
Then government now tells me I can't have it where government is the authority (as opposed to a private establishment)

Dafuq? That is thrice a legal product for me, which I can't have in public.

The legality of the product is not some universal. It comes with limits. The case of liquor, pornography or a gun. So what you passes a class. That has nothing to do with the restriction.

And the legal nuances have nothing to do with my original comment about being upset.
1: The government allows me to have a conceal/carry permit because they deem me trustworthy and responsible enough to have it with me.
2: The government allows me to have the gun on public grounds.
3: People are upset that guns are allowed on public grounds.

Logically, they should be upset at 1 and not 2, otherwise, why allow the conceal/carry, if not to allow them in public areas?

I don't care about the legal arguments about restricting freedoms, as that is wholly irrelevant to people reacting to 2, and not 1.
My work here is, finally, done.
TBR
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5/1/2015 1:31:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago

And the legal nuances have nothing to do with my original comment about being upset.
1: The government allows me to have a conceal/carry permit because they deem me trustworthy and responsible enough to have it with me.
2: The government allows me to have the gun on public grounds.
3: People are upset that guns are allowed on public grounds.

Logically, they should be upset at 1 and not 2, otherwise, why allow the conceal/carry, if not to allow them in public areas?

I don't care about the legal arguments about restricting freedoms, as that is wholly irrelevant to people reacting to 2, and not 1.

Points 1 and 2 come with restrictions. I have no idea what the CC classes look like in your state, but I know in most there is a large section about where, licenses or not, you are not allowed to carry a weapon. That is to say, they DO NOT trust you with a weapon just anywhere you wish to carry one, and I don't either.
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5/1/2015 1:34:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/1/2015 1:31:34 PM, TBR wrote:

And the legal nuances have nothing to do with my original comment about being upset.
1: The government allows me to have a conceal/carry permit because they deem me trustworthy and responsible enough to have it with me.
2: The government allows me to have the gun on public grounds.
3: People are upset that guns are allowed on public grounds.

Logically, they should be upset at 1 and not 2, otherwise, why allow the conceal/carry, if not to allow them in public areas?

I don't care about the legal arguments about restricting freedoms, as that is wholly irrelevant to people reacting to 2, and not 1.

Points 1 and 2 come with restrictions. I have no idea what the CC classes look like in your state, but I know in most there is a large section about where, licenses or not, you are not allowed to carry a weapon. That is to say, they DO NOT trust you with a weapon just anywhere you wish to carry one, and I don't either.

Then people should be upset that these permits are issued. Period.
Not that they logically allow them to be in a park.

If you don't trust me with a gun, then your issue isn't in my having one in a park, it is me having one ANYWHERE. But, if you say the law can allow some people to have guns in places, then you trust the government's judgment in that respect, and as such, should trust it when it expands to a park.
That is my point.
My work here is, finally, done.