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5/3/2015 10:09:26 PM
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At 5/3/2015 4:20:22 PM, TN05 wrote:
Who would you prefer the Lib. Dems coalition with?

I cannot stand Miliband at all.
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5/3/2015 10:09:51 PM
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At 5/3/2015 10:02:37 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/3/2015 4:20:22 PM, TN05 wrote:
Who would you prefer the Lib. Dems coalition with?

Cons

1) Would you prefer that because you believe the values of the conservatives are closer to Lib. Dems, or due to pragmatic reasons?
2) Are you and Orange Booker or a social liberal?
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5/3/2015 10:10:41 PM
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At 5/3/2015 10:09:26 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/3/2015 4:20:22 PM, TN05 wrote:
Who would you prefer the Lib. Dems coalition with?

I cannot stand Miliband at all.

I can certainly understand why.
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5/3/2015 10:37:41 PM
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At 5/3/2015 10:09:51 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 5/3/2015 10:02:37 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/3/2015 4:20:22 PM, TN05 wrote:
Who would you prefer the Lib. Dems coalition with?

Cons

1) Would you prefer that because you believe the values of the conservatives are closer to Lib. Dems, or due to pragmatic reasons?
2) Are you and Orange Booker or a social liberal?

1) Definitely the second.
2) social liberal
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5/6/2015 8:06:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/3/2015 3:22:54 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
bump i seriously wish to debate this etc with anyone interested!

Not discussion in full - but, in part (but, more importantly, overall), I will reply with this. All parties have good and poor policies. Each of us will decide on the issues which are the most important to us. Lib Dems have been, more or less, the middle road for a very long time. But as young as the Green Party is, they have the most forward thinking when considering global matters which we All ULTIMATELY depend on. So, whatever you decide to vote for, you can vote tactically or for the principles you hlod dear, with the long-term view of trying to influence things, ultimately, rather than the immediate or short term, or the individual selfish way. These are the only options available to anyone, ever. Go with your heart, to whatever capacity it currently has, and you will do the right thing, regardless of the immediate outcome. Best wishes, whoever you vote for!
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5/6/2015 8:19:30 AM
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At 5/6/2015 8:06:45 AM, Dichasium wrote:
At 5/3/2015 3:22:54 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
bump i seriously wish to debate this etc with anyone interested!

Not discussion in full - but, in part (but, more importantly, overall), I will reply with this. All parties have good and poor policies. Each of us will decide on the issues which are the most important to us. Lib Dems have been, more or less, the middle road for a very long time. But as young as the Green Party is, they have the most forward thinking when considering global matters which we All ULTIMATELY depend on. So, whatever you decide to vote for, you can vote tactically or for the principles you hlod dear, with the long-term view of trying to influence things, ultimately, rather than the immediate or short term, or the individual selfish way. These are the only options available to anyone, ever. Go with your heart, to whatever capacity it currently has, and you will do the right thing, regardless of the immediate outcome. Best wishes, whoever you vote for!

Green would be my second favorite party.
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5/6/2015 8:30:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/3/2015 1:37:31 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
I'm voting this election and will be voting Lib Dems, I urge all others to do the same!

Ah, the party which pledges to moderate the already minor differences between Labour and Conservative. Noble.
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5/6/2015 8:38:43 AM
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At 5/6/2015 8:30:02 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 5/3/2015 1:37:31 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
I'm voting this election and will be voting Lib Dems, I urge all others to do the same!

Ah, the party which pledges to moderate the already minor differences between Labour and Conservative. Noble.

I prefer to look at it as the party which isn't stupid enough to think it has to go to either extreme.
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5/6/2015 12:28:13 PM
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At 5/3/2015 1:37:31 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
I'm voting this election and will be voting Lib Dems, I urge all others to do the same!

Voting for the Lib Dems is basically like voting for nobody. They are being straight upfront about the fact that they will happily jump into bed with either of the two main parties. They clearly have no principles and have been happy to sit quietly at the back of the Tory bus for the last five years. Get off the fence and pick a side man!

I will be voting for the red tories Labour in the (perhaps vain) hope that some the worst off in our society may suffer slightly less as a result.

Due to changes in constituency boundaries, my neighbourhood is no longer a Labour stronghold. If it was then I would consider voting for the Greens or the Respect party as I actually prefer their policies, but with so many others voting for them I don't want to take the chance of one less Labour seat.
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5/6/2015 1:19:29 PM
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At 5/6/2015 12:28:13 PM, feverish wrote:
At 5/3/2015 1:37:31 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
I'm voting this election and will be voting Lib Dems, I urge all others to do the same!

Voting for the Lib Dems is basically like voting for nobody. They are being straight upfront about the fact that they will happily jump into bed with either of the two main parties. They clearly have no principles and have been happy to sit quietly at the back of the Tory bus for the last five years. Get off the fence and pick a side man!

I will be voting for the red tories Labour in the (perhaps vain) hope that some the worst off in our society may suffer slightly less as a result.

Due to changes in constituency boundaries, my neighbourhood is no longer a Labour stronghold. If it was then I would consider voting for the Greens or the Respect party as I actually prefer their policies, but with so many others voting for them I don't want to take the chance of one less Labour seat.

What you fail to understand is that slowly but surely both conservatives and labour are merging into two sides of the lib dem outlook. The Lib Dems are the only party, aside form Green, who have stuck true to their original views and plans for UK.
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5/6/2015 5:06:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/6/2015 1:19:29 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:

What you fail to understand is that...

Thanks for the analysis, but please don't assume that you understand what I do or do not understand.

slowly but surely both conservatives and labour are merging into two sides of the lib dem outlook.

If what you mean is that, in the 27 years that the lib dems have existed, British politics in general has become watered down into a bland centrist pulp where you can hardly tell one scumbag from the next, then I can kind of see your point.

The Lib Dems are the only party, aside form Green, who have stuck true to their original views and plans for UK.

Just no.

The Lib Dems formed in '88 when two parties who had become irrelevant tried to increase their market share with a merger that neither side felt very comfortable about. When Labour came into power, Lib Dem policy swung hard left, when the Tories eventually got back in, they sharply dipped back to the right; they consistently try to position themselves in the centre, but always slightly closer to the party in government.

If you don't believe me on this, then please take a look back at their 2005 and even 2010 manifestos, then tell me they weren't closer to current Labour rather than Tory policy. Here's some links to get you started:
http://news.bbc.co.uk...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

The entire history of the Liberal Democrats has been built on compromising their principles and selling out their values.

I can't believe anyone can seriously claim that they have stuck to their views and plans, particular in the last five years; Did their back-pedalling on tuition fees happen to slip past you?
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5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM
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Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
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5/6/2015 7:44:10 PM
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At 5/6/2015 5:06:21 PM, feverish wrote:
At 5/6/2015 1:19:29 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:

What you fail to understand is that...

Thanks for the analysis, but please don't assume that you understand what I do or do not understand.

slowly but surely both conservatives and labour are merging into two sides of the lib dem outlook.

If what you mean is that, in the 27 years that the lib dems have existed, British politics in general has become watered down into a bland centrist pulp where you can hardly tell one scumbag from the next, then I can kind of see your point.

The Lib Dems are the only party, aside form Green, who have stuck true to their original views and plans for UK.

Just no.

The Lib Dems formed in '88 when two parties who had become irrelevant tried to increase their market share with a merger that neither side felt very comfortable about. When Labour came into power, Lib Dem policy swung hard left, when the Tories eventually got back in, they sharply dipped back to the right; they consistently try to position themselves in the centre, but always slightly closer to the party in government.

If you don't believe me on this, then please take a look back at their 2005 and even 2010 manifestos, then tell me they weren't closer to current Labour rather than Tory policy. Here's some links to get you started:
http://news.bbc.co.uk...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

The entire history of the Liberal Democrats has been built on compromising their principles and selling out their values.

I can't believe anyone can seriously claim that they have stuck to their views and plans, particular in the last five years; Did their back-pedalling on tuition fees happen to slip past you?

As minority party in coalition it's hard to always get your way but by golly they sure got a lot in that conservatives were originally against.
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5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM
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At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.
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5/6/2015 7:47:12 PM
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At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
It also proved they're true to their word.
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5/6/2015 8:24:30 PM
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At 5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.

They why are they set to lose big?
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5/6/2015 8:24:55 PM
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At 5/6/2015 8:24:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.

They why are they set to lose big?

Then*
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5/7/2015 4:10:34 AM
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At 5/6/2015 8:24:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.

They why are they set to lose big?

the swing has more power than the big boys, they decide the winner after all.
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5/7/2015 6:20:40 AM
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At 5/6/2015 7:44:10 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 5:06:21 PM, feverish wrote:
I can't believe anyone can seriously claim that they have stuck to their views and plans, particular in the last five years; Did their back-pedalling on tuition fees happen to slip past you?

As minority party in coalition it's hard to always get your way but by golly they sure got a lot in that conservatives were originally against.

This is true, but given the Lib Dems explicitly and overtly went after the student vote championing the fact that they were the only party against hiking tuition fees, they chose a pretty lousy promise to break - both electorally (we students will punish them today) and in terms of faith in politics amongst young people.
I'm back (ish).
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5/7/2015 1:08:17 PM
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At 5/7/2015 4:10:34 AM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:24:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.

They why are they set to lose big?

the swing has more power than the big boys, they decide the winner after all.

Unless minority government. You also missed my point that they are still set to lose a ton of seats. They might be in the coalition, but how do the people reflect on them? Simple: their imbeciles.
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5/7/2015 7:47:44 PM
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British people. Why are you voting for the party your voting for? And how many people do you vote for? Do you vote for a person miliband or Cameron or do you vote for a certain party like labour or ukip?. If you don't vote for a person directly and you vote for a party how is the prime minister chosen? Is he chosen out of all the people in his party or something?
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5/8/2015 1:40:24 PM
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At 5/7/2015 4:10:34 AM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:24:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.

They why are they set to lose big?

the swing has more power than the big boys, they decide the winner after all.

So much for your pathetic excuse of a political party now.
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5/8/2015 5:08:21 PM
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At 5/8/2015 1:40:24 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/7/2015 4:10:34 AM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:24:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.

They why are they set to lose big?

the swing has more power than the big boys, they decide the winner after all.

So much for your pathetic excuse of a political party now.

They're recruiting heavily for next election and Conservatives are about to ruin the UK.
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5/8/2015 6:33:11 PM
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At 5/8/2015 5:08:21 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/8/2015 1:40:24 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/7/2015 4:10:34 AM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:24:30 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
At 5/6/2015 7:44:42 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 6:57:45 PM, 1Historygenius wrote:
Why Lib Dems are going to lose big. Proof that independents, centrists, and moderates make lousy leaders today. http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Lol, that doesn't prove they are bad leaders, just that they're amoral.

They why are they set to lose big?

the swing has more power than the big boys, they decide the winner after all.

So much for your pathetic excuse of a political party now.

They're recruiting heavily for next election and Conservatives are about to ruin the UK.

If they get 25+ seats I will have faith your party again, but for these five years their time is going to be brutal and it is because of their awful decisions before this election.
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5/8/2015 6:49:11 PM
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At 5/6/2015 8:38:43 AM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
At 5/6/2015 8:30:02 AM, Wocambs wrote:
At 5/3/2015 1:37:31 PM, 8elB6U5THIqaSm5QhiNLVnRJA wrote:
I'm voting this election and will be voting Lib Dems, I urge all others to do the same!

Ah, the party which pledges to moderate the already minor differences between Labour and Conservative. Noble.

I prefer to look at it as the party which isn't stupid enough to think it has to go to either extreme.

You must remember that Labour and Conservative is not the width of the political spectrum. I won't brag about the election because the country is f*cked, not just lib dem supporters.