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What Liberals think about the Amtrak crash?

AdamEsk
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5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?
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5/16/2015 2:18:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?

More funding = higher pay = better drivers
Was the issue the driver or the track? If the latter, the funding issue should be obvious.
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AdamEsk
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5/16/2015 2:38:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
More funding = higher pay = better drivers
Was the issue the driver or the track? If the latter, the funding issue should be obvious.

Interesting point with the higher pay = better drivers, but hasn't it been confirmed that he was rounding the curve far too fast?
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5/16/2015 2:44:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 2:38:02 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
More funding = higher pay = better drivers
Was the issue the driver or the track? If the latter, the funding issue should be obvious.

Interesting point with the higher pay = better drivers, but hasn't it been confirmed that he was rounding the curve far too fast?

I have no idea.
And that is a true point, but one that is more of a talking point than anything else. Kind of like the better pay = better teachers. It doesn't pan out.
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AdamEsk
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5/16/2015 3:11:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I have no idea.
And that is a true point, but one that is more of a talking point than anything else. Kind of like the better pay = better teachers. It doesn't pan out.

What is your opinion on that? Do you think the government should fund public schools more? What if the government backed out and allowed private schools to take over on education? I don't think I am experienced enough to know for sure, but I would assume if you left education to the free enterprise system, private schooling would fix that problem substantially.
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5/16/2015 6:38:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 3:11:46 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
I have no idea.
And that is a true point, but one that is more of a talking point than anything else. Kind of like the better pay = better teachers. It doesn't pan out.

What is your opinion on that? Do you think the government should fund public schools more? What if the government backed out and allowed private schools to take over on education? I don't think I am experienced enough to know for sure, but I would assume if you left education to the free enterprise system, private schooling would fix that problem substantially.

The private sector would never take over amtrak
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5/16/2015 6:46:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 6:38:26 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/16/2015 3:11:46 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
I have no idea.
And that is a true point, but one that is more of a talking point than anything else. Kind of like the better pay = better teachers. It doesn't pan out.

What is your opinion on that? Do you think the government should fund public schools more? What if the government backed out and allowed private schools to take over on education? I don't think I am experienced enough to know for sure, but I would assume if you left education to the free enterprise system, private schooling would fix that problem substantially.

The private sector would never take over amtrak

Sorry. I got side tracked. I was talking about public education.
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5/16/2015 7:02:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?

I live in Philly, and it's all just bloviating. The train was rounding the corner at double the normal speed limit. There was already a solution in place; a sensor system which would automatically correct speeds to keep them within speed limits. That system hadn't been put online yet when the crash occurred, so it was just really bad timing + human error. Paying people more doesn't make them perfect; that's dumb.

Accidents happened. This one really sucked. We've already fixed it. The end.
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5/16/2015 7:07:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 7:02:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?

I live in Philly, and it's all just bloviating. The train was rounding the corner at double the normal speed limit. There was already a solution in place; a sensor system which would automatically correct speeds to keep them within speed limits. That system hadn't been put online yet when the crash occurred, so it was just really bad timing + human error. Paying people more doesn't make them perfect; that's dumb.

Accidents happened. This one really sucked. We've already fixed it. The end.

I agree. I was confused on why the GOP was being blamed for a random tragedy.
Greyparrot
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5/16/2015 9:03:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 7:07:14 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/16/2015 7:02:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?

I live in Philly, and it's all just bloviating. The train was rounding the corner at double the normal speed limit. There was already a solution in place; a sensor system which would automatically correct speeds to keep them within speed limits. That system hadn't been put online yet when the crash occurred, so it was just really bad timing + human error. Paying people more doesn't make them perfect; that's dumb.

Accidents happened. This one really sucked. We've already fixed it. The end.

I agree. I was confused on why the GOP was being blamed for a random tragedy.

Scapegoats and diversions. Don't you know politics by now?
AdamEsk
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5/16/2015 11:11:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 9:03:40 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 5/16/2015 7:07:14 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/16/2015 7:02:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?

I live in Philly, and it's all just bloviating. The train was rounding the corner at double the normal speed limit. There was already a solution in place; a sensor system which would automatically correct speeds to keep them within speed limits. That system hadn't been put online yet when the crash occurred, so it was just really bad timing + human error. Paying people more doesn't make them perfect; that's dumb.

Accidents happened. This one really sucked. We've already fixed it. The end.

I agree. I was confused on why the GOP was being blamed for a random tragedy.

Scapegoats and diversions. Don't you know politics by now?

They always do this. I was just confused on how they could possibly politicize this.
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5/16/2015 11:50:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?

I fail to see what this tragedy has to do with liberals, conservatives, or politics in general.
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5/17/2015 12:52:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 6:11:45 PM, YYW wrote:
I think that politicizing tragedies is unethically opportunistic and unacceptable.
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5/17/2015 9:59:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/16/2015 7:07:14 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 5/16/2015 7:02:58 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/16/2015 2:05:39 PM, AdamEsk wrote:
Due to a tough semester in school, I have been out of the political loop for about a month. I read about an Amtrak derailing in Philadelphia, and I noticed something about Liberals blaming the Republican House for cutting its funding. Can someone explain how this is more their fault than the driver himself? How can they tie this incident to a lack of funding towards infrastructure?

I live in Philly, and it's all just bloviating. The train was rounding the corner at double the normal speed limit. There was already a solution in place; a sensor system which would automatically correct speeds to keep them within speed limits. That system hadn't been put online yet when the crash occurred, so it was just really bad timing + human error. Paying people more doesn't make them perfect; that's dumb.

Accidents happened. This one really sucked. We've already fixed it. The end.

I agree. I was confused on why the GOP was being blamed for a random tragedy.

it is not a random tragedy. The argument is that the GOP cut funding which slowed the deployment of the Positive Train Control system. PTC is deployed in a majority of rails in the north east, but it was not deployed in that part of the track where this accident happened. PTC would have slowed the train down and eliminated engineer error. One engineer is not enough redundancy to eliminate accidents such as this. PTC or deploying a two engineer system would greatly reduce accidents like this.

It however is not "random". It is a calculated risk and we know that without PTC and only one engineer these types of accidents will happen. That is why congress that mandated PTC on all rails including freight