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wjmelements
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8/7/2010 11:27:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I would like to announce that in the last hour and a half I have changed my ideology.

No longer am I communist, but syndicalist! Syndicalists believe in worker self-governance. All's practical and good because the workers know best and democratic systems of organization always work in the long run.

The difference between these ideologies is that I get a thread dedicated to myself.
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wjmelements
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8/7/2010 11:29:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:28:47 PM, Nags wrote:
Reporting this. Apparently Freedo managed to hack wjm's account.

Happy http://www.debate.org...
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Xer
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8/7/2010 11:30:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:29:25 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:28:47 PM, Nags wrote:
Reporting this. Apparently Freedo managed to hack wjm's account.

Happy http://www.debate.org...

I was kidding. :)
wjmelements
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8/7/2010 11:31:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:30:46 PM, Nags wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:29:25 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:28:47 PM, Nags wrote:
Reporting this. Apparently Freedo managed to hack wjm's account.

Happy http://www.debate.org...

I was kidding. :)

Okay good. I didn't want to be banned for something silly like this.
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wjmelements
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8/7/2010 11:39:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:29:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Why have that? Worker's ownership doesn't work.

Prove it.
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InsertNameHere
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8/7/2010 11:40:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:39:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:29:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Why have that? Worker's ownership doesn't work.

Prove it.

USSR, Cuba, post-civil war Spain, etc. History says so.
wjmelements
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8/7/2010 11:41:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:40:51 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:39:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:29:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Why have that? Worker's ownership doesn't work.

Prove it.

USSR, Cuba, post-civil war Spain, etc. History says so.

Those were fascist societies. None were syndicalist.
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InsertNameHere
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8/7/2010 11:42:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:41:26 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:40:51 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:39:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:29:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Why have that? Worker's ownership doesn't work.

Prove it.

USSR, Cuba, post-civil war Spain, etc. History says so.

Those were fascist societies. None were syndicalist.

Fail. They followed Marx's Communist Manifesto.
Anarcho
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8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?
InsertNameHere wrote: "If we evolved from apes then why are apes still around?

This is semi-serious btw. It's something that seems strange to me. You'd think that entire species would cease to exist if other ones evolved from them."

Anarcho wrote: *facepalm*
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8/7/2010 11:43:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:42:14 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:41:26 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:40:51 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:39:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:29:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Why have that? Worker's ownership doesn't work.

Prove it.

USSR, Cuba, post-civil war Spain, etc. History says so.

Those were fascist societies. None were syndicalist.

Fail. They followed Marx's Communist Manifesto.

Communism =/= Syndicalism. The difference is that syndicalism sounds cooler. And they didn't follow his manifesto at all. Stalin had control of Russia, not the workers. Military Dictators controlled Cuba and North Korea. Not the workers.
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8/7/2010 11:43:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:29:25 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:28:47 PM, Nags wrote:
Reporting this. Apparently Freedo managed to hack wjm's account.

Happy http://www.debate.org...

I thought it was tomorrow.

Oh... it musts already be tomorrow where you're from.
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J.Kenyon
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8/7/2010 11:44:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

Agreed. People need strong governance, it says so in the Koran.
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8/7/2010 11:44:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:43:45 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:42:14 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:41:26 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:40:51 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:39:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:29:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Why have that? Worker's ownership doesn't work.

Prove it.

USSR, Cuba, post-civil war Spain, etc. History says so.

Those were fascist societies. None were syndicalist.

Fail. They followed Marx's Communist Manifesto.

Communism =/= Syndicalism. The difference is that syndicalism sounds cooler. And they didn't follow his manifesto at all. Stalin had control of Russia, not the workers. Military Dictators controlled Cuba and North Korea. Not the workers.

The people have no freedom.
wjmelements
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8/7/2010 11:45:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

To avoid the exploitation of the evil greedy capitalists.
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wjmelements
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8/7/2010 11:46:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:44:57 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:45 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:42:14 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:41:26 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:40:51 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:39:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:29:11 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Why have that? Worker's ownership doesn't work.

Prove it.

USSR, Cuba, post-civil war Spain, etc. History says so.

Those were fascist societies. None were syndicalist.

Fail. They followed Marx's Communist Manifesto.

Communism =/= Syndicalism. The difference is that syndicalism sounds cooler. And they didn't follow his manifesto at all. Stalin had control of Russia, not the workers. Military Dictators controlled Cuba and North Korea. Not the workers.

The people have no freedom.

You're denying them economic freedom.
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InsertNameHere
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8/7/2010 11:46:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:44:13 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

Agreed. People need strong governance, it says so in the Koran.

That is false. God doesn't exist. There's no evidence.
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8/7/2010 11:48:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:44:13 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

Agreed. People need strong governance, it says so in the Koran.

Don't you have little girls to be marrying?
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8/7/2010 11:48:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:46:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:

You're denying them economic freedom.

How so? In my system if you work hard you get everything you could want.
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8/7/2010 11:48:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:45:50 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

To avoid the exploitation of the evil greedy capitalists.

Capitalism isn't all bad, we just need to establish a minimum standard of living, provide a minimum wage, set workplace safety standards, break up big monopolies, prevent people from ingesting harmful substances in their bodies or having sex outside of marriage, outlaw bacon and force everyone to worship Allah.
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8/7/2010 11:48:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:48:07 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:46:27 PM, wjmelements wrote:

You're denying them economic freedom.

How so? In my system if you work hard you get everything you could want.

The harder you work, the more the capitalist makes. With syndicalism, you keep the fruits of your labor.
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8/7/2010 11:49:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:48:32 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:45:50 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

To avoid the exploitation of the evil greedy capitalists.

Capitalism isn't all bad, we just need to establish a minimum standard of living, provide a minimum wage, set workplace safety standards, break up big monopolies, prevent people from ingesting harmful substances in their bodies or having sex outside of marriage, outlaw bacon and force everyone to worship Allah.

You mean the same Allah who wants you to marry young girls and stone adulterers? Isn't God supposed to be kind and merciful?
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8/7/2010 11:51:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:45:50 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

To avoid the exploitation of the evil greedy capitalists.

Why would they do workers wrong? They need them to make the product so they should get good treatment and if they complain throw them in jail.
InsertNameHere wrote: "If we evolved from apes then why are apes still around?

This is semi-serious btw. It's something that seems strange to me. You'd think that entire species would cease to exist if other ones evolved from them."

Anarcho wrote: *facepalm*
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8/7/2010 11:52:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:48:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:44:13 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

Agreed. People need strong governance, it says so in the Koran.

Don't you have little girls to be marrying?

At 8/7/2010 11:49:31 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
You mean the same Allah who wants you to marry young girls and stone adulterers? Isn't God supposed to be kind and merciful?

How many times do I have to explain, it was a different culture. Why do you guys always team up on me? *sulk*
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8/7/2010 11:53:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:51:25 PM, Anarcho wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:45:50 PM, wjmelements wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

To avoid the exploitation of the evil greedy capitalists.

Why would they do workers wrong? They need them to make the product so they should get good treatment and if they complain throw them in jail.

Workers are dispensable. Why not?
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8/7/2010 11:54:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:52:31 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:48:03 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:44:13 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 8/7/2010 11:43:08 PM, Anarcho wrote:
You sir are insane. Why should workers be able to have control over there own goods and vote?

Agreed. People need strong governance, it says so in the Koran.

Don't you have little girls to be marrying?


At 8/7/2010 11:49:31 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
You mean the same Allah who wants you to marry young girls and stone adulterers? Isn't God supposed to be kind and merciful?

How many times do I have to explain, it was a different culture. Why do you guys always team up on me? *sulk*

If it's in the Qur'an then you're supposed to do it, right? Shouldn't you be beating your wife?
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8/7/2010 11:58:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/7/2010 11:54:01 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
If it's in the Qur'an then you're supposed to do it, right? Shouldn't you be beating your wife?

No, he should be getting wasted, and then he should drive his wife off a bridge into a river. Once the car and wife are sinking, he should swim ashore leaving the wife behind, thus killing the wife.