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5/27/2015 7:34:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Has America lost its way
As Americans we use to know who we were and what we stood for but as time goes by its becoming more and more apparent that we are being tossed about by ever changing events in our turbulent world where even our basic societal rules governing civil behavior are no longer firm but constantly changing to fit the popular thought of the day.
The roles of the child and the parent are no longer set but at one time in our past were understood and firmly in place as well as the proper attitude of respect for the law and for those in authority. The roles of Husband and wife as well were also understood by everyone and the dignity of each partner in the relationship was respected in society, and earned, as they were the foundation of a family nurturing their children who were to become America's future leaders. But the changing attitude of the present time has brought about a seismic change in the parent-child, relationship and it is quite evident that the parents are now themselves, behaving like juveniles leaving their children without a adult in their lives to provide guidence on how to conduct themselves.
America has reached such a level of decadence that anything goes and the guiding rule today evidently is " if it feels good, and right for you,"DO IT, " who are we, to judge others is the popular thought, and so the outcome is that nothing is beyond the bounds and everybody is free to do whatever they think is their right to do.
The "Ten Commandments have long been forgotton as a guide for the citizens conduct and how they treat each other and its now a society where its become a game where every individual is out to get theirs, no matter who gets trampled on in the process and the persons met in life are just obstacles to be crushed and pushed aside or used to further goals set for yourself.
The Question that has to be asked is, Can America once again find its way back to the country that it once was or has the country and its citizens reached a level of decadence that tthere's no turning back and America's collaspe is fast approaching, no longer a shining City upon a hill but wrote about in history as another Gomorrah.
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5/27/2015 9:30:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/27/2015 7:34:59 AM, Lookingatissues wrote:
Has America lost its way
As Americans we use to know who we were and what we stood for but as time goes by its becoming more and more apparent that we are being tossed about by ever changing events in our turbulent world where even our basic societal rules governing civil behavior are no longer firm but constantly changing to fit the popular thought of the day.
The roles of the child and the parent are no longer set but at one time in our past were understood and firmly in place as well as the proper attitude of respect for the law and for those in authority. The roles of Husband and wife as well were also understood by everyone and the dignity of each partner in the relationship was respected in society, and earned, as they were the foundation of a family nurturing their children who were to become America's future leaders. But the changing attitude of the present time has brought about a seismic change in the parent-child, relationship and it is quite evident that the parents are now themselves, behaving like juveniles leaving their children without a adult in their lives to provide guidence on how to conduct themselves.
America has reached such a level of decadence that anything goes and the guiding rule today evidently is " if it feels good, and right for you,"DO IT, " who are we, to judge others is the popular thought, and so the outcome is that nothing is beyond the bounds and everybody is free to do whatever they think is their right to do.
The "Ten Commandments have long been forgotton as a guide for the citizens conduct and how they treat each other and its now a society where its become a game where every individual is out to get theirs, no matter who gets trampled on in the process and the persons met in life are just obstacles to be crushed and pushed aside or used to further goals set for yourself.
The Question that has to be asked is, Can America once again find its way back to the country that it once was or has the country and its citizens reached a level of decadence that tthere's no turning back and America's collaspe is fast approaching, no longer a shining City upon a hill but wrote about in history as another Gomorrah.

And what "way" did the America really have in the first place? Overall, the U.S has always been corrupt.
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5/27/2015 10:38:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/27/2015 7:34:59 AM, Lookingatissues wrote:
Has America lost its way
As Americans we use to know who we were and what we stood for but as time goes by its becoming more and more apparent that we are being tossed about by ever changing events in our turbulent world where even our basic societal rules governing civil behavior are no longer firm but constantly changing to fit the popular thought of the day.
The roles of the child and the parent are no longer set but at one time in our past were understood and firmly in place as well as the proper attitude of respect for the law and for those in authority. The roles of Husband and wife as well were also understood by everyone and the dignity of each partner in the relationship was respected in society, and earned, as they were the foundation of a family nurturing their children who were to become America's future leaders. But the changing attitude of the present time has brought about a seismic change in the parent-child, relationship and it is quite evident that the parents are now themselves, behaving like juveniles leaving their children without a adult in their lives to provide guidence on how to conduct themselves.
America has reached such a level of decadence that anything goes and the guiding rule today evidently is " if it feels good, and right for you,"DO IT, " who are we, to judge others is the popular thought, and so the outcome is that nothing is beyond the bounds and everybody is free to do whatever they think is their right to do.
The "Ten Commandments have long been forgotton as a guide for the citizens conduct and how they treat each other and its now a society where its become a game where every individual is out to get theirs, no matter who gets trampled on in the process and the persons met in life are just obstacles to be crushed and pushed aside or used to further goals set for yourself.
The Question that has to be asked is, Can America once again find its way back to the country that it once was or has the country and its citizens reached a level of decadence that tthere's no turning back and America's collaspe is fast approaching, no longer a shining City upon a hill but wrote about in history as another Gomorrah.

First and foremost, you are pining for something, but it is not the ol' days.

The roles of the child and the parent are no longer set but at one time in our past were understood and firmly in place as well as the proper attitude of respect for the law and for those in authority.
1. There has always been a disrespect for the law and those in authority. In 1791 in Pennsylvania citizens used violence and coercion to disrupt whiskey tax collectors.
2. There are plenty of other examples where the law and authority was not respected, obeyed, or thought of as wonky.

The roles of Husband and wife as well were also understood by everyone and the dignity of each partner in the relationship was respected in society, and earned, as they were the foundation of a family nurturing their children who were to become America's future leaders.

1. I'm not certain if you are pining for the days where a man had a right to a submissive wife. It was only in the 70's when it became outlawed for a man to forcibly rape his wife if she did not have sex. The role historically was for man to dominate over women. I can't say that that is a feature of "respect".

2. Historically it is thought that sexual abuse of children from the father was just as prevalent as today. It may have been higher because of culture and how much easier it was to hide abusing kids. Let's however don't pretend that in the Ol' days parents were more or less concerned about creating leaders. Back in the 1800's they were probably more concerned with having kids to help with the chores and to propogate for God.

In short the new days are much much much better than the ol' days because we have extended liberty to individuals. People can get out of bad marriages much much easier. They can choose to be who they are with less social stigma from being different. I can go on and on about how much better it is now versus the ol days.
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5/27/2015 5:19:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I remember a time when children were taught how to use commas in grade school...

In all serious, you're saying that a country founded on a rebellion against authority in the defense of three essential liberties, one of which was the pursuit of happiness, has lost its way because, well, people are rebelling against authority and pursuing happiness. That is a little bit farcical. America hasn't 'lost it's way', people (mostly people who haven't even lived in that era) are simply whitewashing one particular segment of American history into a picture of nostalgic bliss and then bemoaning the fact that we aren't like that any more.
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5/29/2015 9:01:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/27/2015 9:30:34 AM, Emilrose wrote:
At 5/27/2015 7:34:59 AM, Lookingatissues wrote:
Has America lost its way
As Americans we use to know who we were and what we stood for but as time goes by its becoming more and more apparent that we are being tossed about by ever changing events in our turbulent world where even our basic societal rules governing civil behavior are no longer firm but constantly changing to fit the popular thought of the day.
The roles of the child and the parent are no longer set but at one time in our past were understood and firmly in place as well as the proper attitude of respect for the law and for those in authority. The roles of Husband and wife as well were also understood by everyone and the dignity of each partner in the relationship was respected in society, and earned, as they were the foundation of a family nurturing their children who were to become America's future leaders. But the changing attitude of the present time has brought about a seismic change in the parent-child, relationship and it is quite evident that the parents are now themselves, behaving like juveniles leaving their children without a adult in their lives to provide guidence on how to conduct themselves.
America has reached such a level of decadence that anything goes and the guiding rule today evidently is " if it feels good, and right for you,"DO IT, " who are we, to judge others is the popular thought, and so the outcome is that nothing is beyond the bounds and everybody is free to do whatever they think is their right to do.
The "Ten Commandments have long been forgotton as a guide for the citizens conduct and how they treat each other and its now a society where its become a game where every individual is out to get theirs, no matter who gets trampled on in the process and the persons met in life are just obstacles to be crushed and pushed aside or used to further goals set for yourself.
The Question that has to be asked is, Can America once again find its way back to the country that it once was or has the country and its citizens reached a level of decadence that tthere's no turning back and America's collaspe is fast approaching, no longer a shining City upon a hill but wrote about in history as another Gomorrah.

You responded,".... Overall, the U.S has always been corrupt. and which country, in your opinion, would be an exemplar nation which America should copy...perhaps Russia, China, would be stellar examples of honesty and integrity in your view
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5/29/2015 10:13:47 PM
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At 5/27/2015 5:19:02 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:." I remember a time when children were taught how to use commas in grade school..."
Lookinattheissues reply: You responded...[ Comma]....." I remember a time when children were taught how to use commas in grade school..." I might have pushed the envelope on punctuation But then I believe in relativism...."any theory holding that criteria of judgment are relative...."

You posted..."In all serious, you're saying that a country founded on a rebellion against authority in the defense of three essential liberties, ...."
Lookingattheissues: Barry Goldwater, the Republican Party's presidential candidate in 1964, ...Said"...."Extremism in the defense of liberty is now vice... and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue....."
Patrick Henry once said,"We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
And then......" The Declaration of Independence"
"....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. " That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, " That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ....
The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. This was the reasons that America separated itself from England and the rule of a King. It was a determination to live free of a king that they rebelled against.
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5/29/2015 10:21:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/27/2015 7:34:59 AM, Lookingatissues wrote:
Has America lost its way
As Americans we use to know who we were and what we stood for but as time goes by its becoming more and more apparent that we are being tossed about by ever changing events in our turbulent world where even our basic societal rules governing civil behavior are no longer firm but constantly changing to fit the popular thought of the day.
The roles of the child and the parent are no longer set but at one time in our past were understood and firmly in place as well as the proper attitude of respect for the law and for those in authority. The roles of Husband and wife as well were also understood by everyone and the dignity of each partner in the relationship was respected in society, and earned, as they were the foundation of a family nurturing their children who were to become America's future leaders. But the changing attitude of the present time has brought about a seismic change in the parent-child, relationship and it is quite evident that the parents are now themselves, behaving like juveniles leaving their children without a adult in their lives to provide guidence on how to conduct themselves.
America has reached such a level of decadence that anything goes and the guiding rule today evidently is " if it feels good, and right for you,"DO IT, " who are we, to judge others is the popular thought, and so the outcome is that nothing is beyond the bounds and everybody is free to do whatever they think is their right to do.
The "Ten Commandments have long been forgotton as a guide for the citizens conduct and how they treat each other and its now a society where its become a game where every individual is out to get theirs, no matter who gets trampled on in the process and the persons met in life are just obstacles to be crushed and pushed aside or used to further goals set for yourself.
The Question that has to be asked is, Can America once again find its way back to the country that it once was or has the country and its citizens reached a level of decadence that tthere's no turning back and America's collaspe is fast approaching, no longer a shining City upon a hill but wrote about in history as another Gomorrah.

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5/29/2015 10:57:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Lookingattheissues reply to Skepsikyma :You signed off with,"......"Nous nous trompons toujours deux fois sur ceux que nous aimons: d'abord " leur avantage, puis " leur d"savantage."
"We always deceive ourselves twice about the people we love " first to their advantage, then to their disadvantage."
"A Happy Death (written 1938) by Albert Camus, first published as La mort heureuse (1971), as translated by Richard Howard (1972)
- "Abraham Lincoln...in 1864....Human nature will not change. In any future great national trial, compared with the men of this, we shall have as weak and as strong, as silly and as wise, as bad and as good. Let us therefore study the incidents of this, as philosophy to learn wisdom from, and none of them as wrongs to be revenged."
This is how we should look at the past history of America and its people,They were humans, as we all are, and motivations are known only to those who's motives they are.
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5/30/2015 9:35:21 AM
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Your post is very interesting, albeit this type of behavior is predictable in our society.

Our country was built by revolutionaries who desired freedom. However, while they did fight for freedom and independence from a mercantile empire, when they created their society they had this thing called self-restraint. They didn't need the government to tell them to be moral and do the right thing, because they already were.

Institutions have lost their edge, but there's something else too: it hasn't adapted to the new conditions found in today's world. Our forefathers didn't say anything about regulating morality because there was no need to at the time, today is a different story. Now we need a stronger government to enforce moral standards.

Unfortunately, this government is becoming more ideologically disposed to promote the means of its own subversion. For us, we need to create something new to influence our government to take this new direction, else we fall into anarchy and decadence. Either we establish a culture of righteous living or we continue living in this culture of consumerism and degeneracy.
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5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM
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"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM
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At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?
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6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM
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At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM
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At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.
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6/3/2015 1:32:40 PM
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I feel like America hasn't lost its way. We are by and large the same people, who share the moral values of hard work, thrift, and charity.

I think that our government has gone awry though, and its responses (or lack thereof) towards the 21st century world (especially globalization) have caused many of the problems we see today. People have resorted to crime as opportunities in our inner cities have evaporated, people are enamored with celebrities and reality TV as a way to escape the desperation in their own lives, and people are becoming apathetic and complacent as they see a government that is mostly ineffective at serving their needs. This is wonderfully illustrated with our current president, who inspired many but has for the most part failed to follow through his eloquence with action.

People are less likely to be optimistic about our future if their wages are stagnant, college costs continue to rise, and general costs of living continue to go up. People are discouraged, but that can be turned around...
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM
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At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you. I live in America and have no respect for the govt that runs it. It's a conglomeration of ideological morons without a clue that live in a bubble. What's to respect?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/3/2015 9:11:46 PM
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At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you. I live in America and have no respect for the govt that runs it. It's a conglomeration of ideological morons without a clue that live in a bubble. What's to respect?

I love the "noone will collect if we refuse to pay"

Regarding the millions of baby boomers who wont have the trillions needed to pay out their retirement, don't mess with someone who has nothing to lose and is ready to die.
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6/4/2015 4:08:33 PM
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At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you. I live in America and have no respect for the govt that runs it. It's a conglomeration of ideological morons without a clue that live in a bubble. What's to respect?

We are currently at war in the Middle East, we've invaided Vietnam, Korea, Germany, among other nations that have tried to oppose us and we're the only nation that has actually used a nuclear bomb on an enemy. I think our willingness to use power is quite clear.

Also the world has changed, power no longer equates to large armies or lots of land. It's basically a matter of technology and resources. Currently the U.S. has superior technology "at least militarily" and has more resources than any other country. There's not much likelyhood for that to change in the foreseesable future.

The leaders of America are far from stupid, and certainly don't live in a bubble. They are simply pushing to continue the system thats been in place since Americas founding. The thing is that system has some flaws in it and nobody wants to be bothered with developing a new more efficient system.
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6/4/2015 4:12:22 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 9:11:46 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you. I live in America and have no respect for the govt that runs it. It's a conglomeration of ideological morons without a clue that live in a bubble. What's to respect?

I love the "noone will collect if we refuse to pay"

Regarding the millions of baby boomers who wont have the trillions needed to pay out their retirement, don't mess with someone who has nothing to lose and is ready to die.

America has defaulted in the past and it had ZERO impact on our position as a world power. The fact is America has more resources, more allies, and superior technology to any other nation in the world.

Also the fact is we live in a global economy now, if one country has a recession it effects every country. It is in everyone's best intrest to keep America running.
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6/4/2015 4:24:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 4:12:22 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:11:46 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you. I live in America and have no respect for the govt that runs it. It's a conglomeration of ideological morons without a clue that live in a bubble. What's to respect?

I love the "noone will collect if we refuse to pay"

Regarding the millions of baby boomers who wont have the trillions needed to pay out their retirement, don't mess with someone who has nothing to lose and is ready to die.

America has defaulted in the past and it had ZERO impact on our position as a world power. The fact is America has more resources, more allies, and superior technology to any other nation in the world.

Also the fact is we live in a global economy now, if one country has a recession it effects every country. It is in everyone's best intrest to keep America running.

Um yah... America is about to default on it's own Citizens. You think Greece had bad riots so far?
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6/4/2015 4:48:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/4/2015 4:24:00 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/4/2015 4:12:22 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:11:46 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you. I live in America and have no respect for the govt that runs it. It's a conglomeration of ideological morons without a clue that live in a bubble. What's to respect?

I love the "noone will collect if we refuse to pay"

Regarding the millions of baby boomers who wont have the trillions needed to pay out their retirement, don't mess with someone who has nothing to lose and is ready to die.

America has defaulted in the past and it had ZERO impact on our position as a world power. The fact is America has more resources, more allies, and superior technology to any other nation in the world.

Also the fact is we live in a global economy now, if one country has a recession it effects every country. It is in everyone's best intrest to keep America running.

Um yah... America is about to default on it's own Citizens. You think Greece had bad riots so far?

What do you mean by America is going to default on its citizens?
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6/6/2015 8:56:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
"Also the fact is we live in a global economy now, if one country has a recession it effects every country. It is in everyone's best intrest to keep America running."

That's right. We need to tell the world don't push us, we are close to the edge.
Suppose we formed an alliance with the other countries who had nuclear weapons and we made all the other countries colonies and enslaved their people?
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6/6/2015 9:27:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you.

First of all, that's just plain stupid. We spend more on our military then the next 10 nations combined, and we involve ourselves in damn near every military conflict in the world. You complain about debt? That's a good place to start.

Second, why the hell is it so important for you Fox watchers that America is feared? I care about the quality of my life, not my ability to walk around with my chest out bragging that my country is bad-a$$.
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6/6/2015 10:10:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 9:27:10 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you.

First of all, that's just plain stupid. We spend more on our military then the next 10 nations combined, and we involve ourselves in damn near every military conflict in the world. You complain about debt? That's a good place to start.

Second, why the hell is it so important for you Fox watchers that America is feared? I care about the quality of my life, not my ability to walk around with my chest out bragging that my country is bad-a$$.

When you don't fight to win, that does not scare an aggressor. It shows you are weak and not willing to use "ALL" means necessary to win. It only emboldens them and makes you live in fear and strip yourself of liberty in the name of security and safety, which is their definition of victory. Those that seek to terrorize the US and other countries are clearly winning. They do not fear US limited strikes at all, they view them as weakness and a joke.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/6/2015 10:54:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 10:10:43 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 9:27:10 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you.

First of all, that's just plain stupid. We spend more on our military then the next 10 nations combined, and we involve ourselves in damn near every military conflict in the world. You complain about debt? That's a good place to start.

Second, why the hell is it so important for you Fox watchers that America is feared? I care about the quality of my life, not my ability to walk around with my chest out bragging that my country is bad-a$$.

When you don't fight to win, that does not scare an aggressor. It shows you are weak and not willing to use "ALL" means necessary to win. It only emboldens them and makes you live in fear and strip yourself of liberty in the name of security and safety, which is their definition of victory. Those that seek to terrorize the US and other countries are clearly winning. They do not fear US limited strikes at all, they view them as weakness and a joke.

You're talking about people who happily blow themselves up just to take down a few Americans and are convinced that Allah is waiting for them with 72 virgins. Of course they do not fear US strikes.
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6/6/2015 10:57:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 10:54:15 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:10:43 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 9:27:10 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you.

First of all, that's just plain stupid. We spend more on our military then the next 10 nations combined, and we involve ourselves in damn near every military conflict in the world. You complain about debt? That's a good place to start.

Second, why the hell is it so important for you Fox watchers that America is feared? I care about the quality of my life, not my ability to walk around with my chest out bragging that my country is bad-a$$.

When you don't fight to win, that does not scare an aggressor. It shows you are weak and not willing to use "ALL" means necessary to win. It only emboldens them and makes you live in fear and strip yourself of liberty in the name of security and safety, which is their definition of victory. Those that seek to terrorize the US and other countries are clearly winning. They do not fear US limited strikes at all, they view them as weakness and a joke.

You're talking about people who happily blow themselves up just to take down a few Americans and are convinced that Allah is waiting for them with 72 virgins. Of course they do not fear US strikes.

No I am talking about ISIS and the millions upon millions of those who support them
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/6/2015 11:07:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 10:57:19 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:54:15 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:10:43 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 9:27:10 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you.

First of all, that's just plain stupid. We spend more on our military then the next 10 nations combined, and we involve ourselves in damn near every military conflict in the world. You complain about debt? That's a good place to start.

Second, why the hell is it so important for you Fox watchers that America is feared? I care about the quality of my life, not my ability to walk around with my chest out bragging that my country is bad-a$$.

When you don't fight to win, that does not scare an aggressor. It shows you are weak and not willing to use "ALL" means necessary to win. It only emboldens them and makes you live in fear and strip yourself of liberty in the name of security and safety, which is their definition of victory. Those that seek to terrorize the US and other countries are clearly winning. They do not fear US limited strikes at all, they view them as weakness and a joke.

You're talking about people who happily blow themselves up just to take down a few Americans and are convinced that Allah is waiting for them with 72 virgins. Of course they do not fear US strikes.

No I am talking about ISIS and the millions upon millions of those who support them

Then who are you talking about? Who out there is terrorizing the US while suffering US strikes?

And by the way, after you answer this perhaps you can also tell us what you want the US to do since strikes do not make us scary enough for you.
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6/6/2015 4:18:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 5/27/2015 7:34:59 AM, Lookingatissues wrote:
Has America lost its way
As Americans we use to know who we were and what we stood for but as time goes by its becoming more and more apparent that we are being tossed about by ever changing events in our turbulent world where even our basic societal rules governing civil behavior are no longer firm but constantly changing to fit the popular thought of the day.
The roles of the child and the parent are no longer set but at one time in our past were understood and firmly in place as well as the proper attitude of respect for the law and for those in authority. The roles of Husband and wife as well were also understood by everyone and the dignity of each partner in the relationship was respected in society, and earned, as they were the foundation of a family nurturing their children who were to become America's future leaders. But the changing attitude of the present time has brought about a seismic change in the parent-child, relationship and it is quite evident that the parents are now themselves, behaving like juveniles leaving their children without a adult in their lives to provide guidence on how to conduct themselves.
America has reached such a level of decadence that anything goes and the guiding rule today evidently is " if it feels good, and right for you,"DO IT, " who are we, to judge others is the popular thought, and so the outcome is that nothing is beyond the bounds and everybody is free to do whatever they think is their right to do.
The "Ten Commandments have long been forgotton as a guide for the citizens conduct and how they treat each other and its now a society where its become a game where every individual is out to get theirs, no matter who gets trampled on in the process and the persons met in life are just obstacles to be crushed and pushed aside or used to further goals set for yourself.
The Question that has to be asked is, Can America once again find its way back to the country that it once was or has the country and its citizens reached a level of decadence that tthere's no turning back and America's collaspe is fast approaching, no longer a shining City upon a hill but wrote about in history as another Gomorrah.

Change happens. It brings either good or bad. And too me, America doesn't seem like it's going downhill. And what up with the whole ten commandments nonsense?
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6/6/2015 7:07:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 11:07:20 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:57:19 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:54:15 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/6/2015 10:10:43 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 9:27:10 AM, Double_R wrote:
At 6/3/2015 9:07:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/3/2015 11:48:09 AM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 6/2/2015 9:31:25 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:33:43 PM, jkerr3 wrote:
At 5/31/2015 4:53:18 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Has America lost its way" Um, ya. It's gone from a strong prosperous world leader to an entitlement minded laughing stock of the world

How do you figure that?

Name one country that fears us or respects us. How is being 18 trillion in debt with 200 trillion in unfunded liabilities make a country proporous

The U.S. is the most respected nation in the world, that is a fact. Anyone who studies modern society would tell you that. Are we feared, hell yea we are, we've got over 1000 nuclear bombs..... any country without a nuke would be foolish not to fear us. Do we have debt yes, but realistically it doesn't make a difference, it's not like anyone could collect if we refused to pay.
America has by a pretty large margin the most powerful military force in the world, that makes us a super power debt or no debt.

You have to demonstrate that you will use the power for people to fear you.

First of all, that's just plain stupid. We spend more on our military then the next 10 nations combined, and we involve ourselves in damn near every military conflict in the world. You complain about debt? That's a good place to start.

Second, why the hell is it so important for you Fox watchers that America is feared? I care about the quality of my life, not my ability to walk around with my chest out bragging that my country is bad-a$$.

When you don't fight to win, that does not scare an aggressor. It shows you are weak and not willing to use "ALL" means necessary to win. It only emboldens them and makes you live in fear and strip yourself of liberty in the name of security and safety, which is their definition of victory. Those that seek to terrorize the US and other countries are clearly winning. They do not fear US limited strikes at all, they view them as weakness and a joke.

You're talking about people who happily blow themselves up just to take down a few Americans and are convinced that Allah is waiting for them with 72 virgins. Of course they do not fear US strikes.

No I am talking about ISIS and the millions upon millions of those who support them

Then who are you talking about? Who out there is terrorizing the US while suffering US strikes?

And by the way, after you answer this perhaps you can also tell us what you want the US to do since strikes do not make us scary enough for you.

Every time a crowd of people gather and burn an American flag and yell death to America, You drop a daisy cutter bomb on them. There will not be one innocent civilian in the bunch. That is how you end terrorism. For every one they kill you kill 1000 or 10,000. Sorry if you can't stomach the horrors of war but that is how war works and that is how you win wars.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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6/6/2015 7:45:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 7:07:14 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 11:07:20 AM, Double_R wrote:
And by the way, after you answer this perhaps you can also tell us what you want the US to do since strikes do not make us scary enough for you.

Every time a crowd of people gather and burn an American flag and yell death to America, You drop a daisy cutter bomb on them. There will not be one innocent civilian in the bunch. That is how you end terrorism. For every one they kill you kill 1000 or 10,000. Sorry if you can't stomach the horrors of war but that is how war works and that is how you win wars.

This is a good way to violate the rules of war
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6/6/2015 8:32:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/6/2015 7:45:27 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 6/6/2015 7:07:14 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 6/6/2015 11:07:20 AM, Double_R wrote:
And by the way, after you answer this perhaps you can also tell us what you want the US to do since strikes do not make us scary enough for you.

Every time a crowd of people gather and burn an American flag and yell death to America, You drop a daisy cutter bomb on them. There will not be one innocent civilian in the bunch. That is how you end terrorism. For every one they kill you kill 1000 or 10,000. Sorry if you can't stomach the horrors of war but that is how war works and that is how you win wars.

This is a good way to violate the rules of war

"Rules of war" LOL The first rule to winning a war is that there are no rules. I think you confuse prisoner treatment with war. which brings me to the second rule of war. Take no prisoners until "after" you have won the war.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%